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DocToxin8
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Maybe if you clarify you goals it would be easier.
But IMO you should to the longest acting in the beginning (with some short acting to jump start), then switch over to only short acting in the end,
so that when you are done and start PCT blood levels very soon drop beyond supressive levels.
For example use the nandro decanoate the first 6-8weeks of a 12 week cycle.
Quit the test prop 3 days before ending the cycle, or run throughout, its Ht is so short anyways.
Winstrol tabs for the last 3-4 weeks of cycle to solidify gains,and since it has such a short Ht.
Only 25 tabs of proviron; not sufficient for estrogen control throughtout, but may be a 1. line of defense to reduce bloat & estro issues,
then resort to clomid if thats not enough. (may also be used as libido booster if that should be a problem)
The liv52 you use throughout to help liver function and lipid profile. Or at least when you use the winstrol tabs.
HCG 500u 3x weekly, may be used trough entire cycle (will increase likelyhood of estro issues, as HCG upregulate aromatase),
or last at least a couple of weeks before PCT startup. Ideally you want your testes to be high functioning before PCT, so they respond to the LH surge the moment the hypothalamus is no longer supressed.
But IMO you should to the longest acting in the beginning (with some short acting to jump start), then switch over to only short acting in the end,
so that when you are done and start PCT blood levels very soon drop beyond supressive levels.
For example use the nandro decanoate the first 6-8weeks of a 12 week cycle.
Quit the test prop 3 days before ending the cycle, or run throughout, its Ht is so short anyways.
Winstrol tabs for the last 3-4 weeks of cycle to solidify gains,and since it has such a short Ht.
Only 25 tabs of proviron; not sufficient for estrogen control throughtout, but may be a 1. line of defense to reduce bloat & estro issues,
then resort to clomid if thats not enough. (may also be used as libido booster if that should be a problem)
The liv52 you use throughout to help liver function and lipid profile. Or at least when you use the winstrol tabs.
HCG 500u 3x weekly, may be used trough entire cycle (will increase likelyhood of estro issues, as HCG upregulate aromatase),
or last at least a couple of weeks before PCT startup. Ideally you want your testes to be high functioning before PCT, so they respond to the LH surge the moment the hypothalamus is no longer supressed.
DocToxin8
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Happy to help Bean.
These are just pointers on how to set it up.
The actual layout of the cycle depends on cycle experience, how long you've been training, and how you will train & eat.
Remember, you got only 20mL test prop total, which will give you 40days of EOD pinning; thats 5,7 weeks.
So you don't have enough test prop to run through entire cycle, unless its gonna be short.
The nandrolon stacks well with either test or winny, but deca shut you down hard,
so I would run it in the beginning. On top of that its nandrolone decanoate, a very long ester.
A prime example of fucked up PCT is running a long actin ester up to the PCT. Blood levels will then be supressive well into the PCT.
Calculate a 7-10 day half life for deca to be on the safe side (it will vary depending on injection site)
I know from experience that blood levels after a heavy cycle (with long esters like decanoate & undecanoate) can take over 4 weeks to reach non supressive levels.
You might look into getting some more test prop, or you'll either have to run a 6weeker,
or you'll have to run some part of the cycle without any test.
Usually when running a 4 week winstrol cycle at the end of a test cycle,
the test was long estered, so blood levels of test is still there a couple of weeks in.
When I stopped test (enanthate) and just ran DBOL I was fine for the first weeks,
but then I really started to feel like shit.
Great for cutting though, without even the natural test your estrogen levels drop to nothing,
and you can obtain a very vascular look. You will feel like shit however.
With Winstrol it should be even worse, since it doesn't aromatize at all,
but you will lose both water weight and stubborn fat.
These are just pointers on how to set it up.
The actual layout of the cycle depends on cycle experience, how long you've been training, and how you will train & eat.
Remember, you got only 20mL test prop total, which will give you 40days of EOD pinning; thats 5,7 weeks.
So you don't have enough test prop to run through entire cycle, unless its gonna be short.
The nandrolon stacks well with either test or winny, but deca shut you down hard,
so I would run it in the beginning. On top of that its nandrolone decanoate, a very long ester.
A prime example of fucked up PCT is running a long actin ester up to the PCT. Blood levels will then be supressive well into the PCT.
Calculate a 7-10 day half life for deca to be on the safe side (it will vary depending on injection site)
I know from experience that blood levels after a heavy cycle (with long esters like decanoate & undecanoate) can take over 4 weeks to reach non supressive levels.
You might look into getting some more test prop, or you'll either have to run a 6weeker,
or you'll have to run some part of the cycle without any test.
Usually when running a 4 week winstrol cycle at the end of a test cycle,
the test was long estered, so blood levels of test is still there a couple of weeks in.
When I stopped test (enanthate) and just ran DBOL I was fine for the first weeks,
but then I really started to feel like shit.
Great for cutting though, without even the natural test your estrogen levels drop to nothing,
and you can obtain a very vascular look. You will feel like shit however.
With Winstrol it should be even worse, since it doesn't aromatize at all,
but you will lose both water weight and stubborn fat.
