NEED HELP: 1st cycle with Tren/ test prop

[thoroughbred]

Just sorting out my next cycle. I read the trenbolone Handbook and am just trying to figure out the best way to run all this...

I am planning on doing an 8 week cycle:

Pre-cycle: I will be running albuterol on a ramp for 3 weeks while focusing on cardio (4mg/ed up to 12mgs/ed then back down) and also hitting the weights but not crazy hard just maintaining. then 2 weeks off (the albuterol)

THEN:

week1-8: trenbolone A 50mg ed
week1-8: Test testosterone propionate 75mg ed
week1-8: Winstrol - stanozolol 25mg ed
week1-3: albuterol, starting at 4mgs ed ramping up to 12mg ed (should I ramp back down too?)
week 5-8: albuterol. same ramp situation
week 1-8: HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500ui per week

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - :
I have Nolvadex and Clomid.

Questions:

In the Tren Handbook it says to use T3 and Dostinex. Is this necessary and can you explain why? Also it says to use Letrozole which is really harsh on me, is this a necessary evil I have to deal with?

About me:
This will be my 3rd cycle
28yrs old
215 pounds/ 20% bf (won't start cycle till I'm at least at 17%)
Been working out for 4 years solid
Diet is good but still have some room to tighten up before starting
Cardio will be in check by cycle

What I want from cycle:

Get jacked with solid muscle no h20 retention and hopefully lose an inch around my waist and add it on my chest, arms and legs.

 

[leonidas33]

In the trenbolone Handbook it says to use T3 and Dostinex. Is this necessary and can you explain why?

Interesting... I just learned about Dostinex today after a visit to the endo in efforts of getting on hrt. Dostinex is used to lower prolactin levels, so obviously tren raises prolactin levels. Dostinex is expensive... even ag-guys version of liqui-dostinex is steep, but I have read really good things about it.

 

[JoeDiNero]

two very reputable mods reccomended dostinex at .5mg e3day with tren cycle....sex drive WILL increase

 

[thoroughbred]

bump

still need to know about letrozole and T3? why is this necessary?

 

[st8grad]

The T3 is recommended to offset prolactin side effects. I think he is saying this because low thyroid levels can contribute to high prolactin. However, high prolactin does not mean low thyroid in every case. So probably not necessary, but since you are trying to lose fat, then maybe you would want to give it a try.

Letrozole is the most powerful anti-estrogen made. So if any gynecomastia problems crop up with that cycle, you have the biggest bat in the bag to go after it with. I think it actually permeates fat cells to if I am not mistaken so it is clearly the best if those problems arise.

However, using dositnex and arimidex at .5-1mg per day along with running the winny and you should be fine. 8 weeks for tren and winny is on the long side, but probably ok.

Nolvadex can't be used on cycle with deca or tren and although the tren should be out of your system by PCT, I would be worried about running it for PCT anyway. Aromasin for PCT would be great along with the HCG instead of using that during your cycle which is short anyway. I don't like clomid at all.

So you need to pick up some ancillaries that can be somewhat expensive but can last you a couple cycles.

AG-Guys are good. I've used their stuff. ChemOne Research is also on option.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm running a similar cycle:

Wks 1-4 t bol 75mg ED
Wks 1-8 pr-op 100mg ED
Wks 1-8 tr-en ace 50mg ED

I have a few tr-en cycles under my belt.... this it the first time I've never run an A I and I have to say, so far so good....no signs of gyno, no bloat from the test whatsoever this time (and I'm usually prone to test bloat). Regarding the dostinex, I bought some before starting, just as an insurance policy, and I haven't used it yet. Like I said, no signs of gyno and my libido is still through the roof. (I'm 2 weeks into cycle).

I'm not advocating *not* using an A I (in fact, I always recommend using one with aromatizable compounds).... but if you KNOW you're susceptible to gyno, bloat, etc., then use an AI for sure (or at least have one on-hand ready to go). Regarding the dostinex, again, if you're sure you'll have gyno issues stemming from the tr-en, then get it. Otherwise, only order some up if you need it.

Only other suggestion is to continue losing that body fat if you want to get full aesthetics from tr-en. Good luck!

 

[perryscoon]

Run the test for 9 weeks, tren for 8.
I'm not sure if its good to run winny that long. I would prob run it the last 4-5 weeks.
Don't use nolvadex with tren, period.
cabaser/dostinex .5mg E3D or EOD is fine
If you're really worried about gyno or know you're prone to it take Letrozole at 1.25mg ED or less but keep in mind it will shut you down hard. I would probably just keep a bottle on hand in case you notice gyno coming on, then use it.

Drink water all the time
Cranberry extract for your kidneys (tren)
Milk thistle for your liver (winny)

 

[jeb0177]

i never adapted to the sides of tren, I had to discontinue in week 3 at 75 eod

 

[JoeDiNero]

i never adapted to the sides of trenbolone, I had to discontinue in week 3 at 75 eod

i am finishing third week of a tren 150 blend and the sides have almost all stopped.im using sleep aides but still sweatin crazy amounts at night.