Need Advice

[RippedRule]

Ok, first off, I'm 21 years old and took my first and only cycle about 8 months ago. It was Sust 450 inject and I took it every 5 days. This was much higher than needed but we all make mistakes. Anyway, I developed a bit of gyno and after my cycle I took nolva/femara/dostinex to reduce it.

Now, here I am 8 months later. I had been feeling tired, not motivated, and just exhausted. I went to the doc and my Test levels came back 314 which the doc stressed was normal. The "normal" scale ranged from 241-827.

Also, my desire for sex is NOTHING like it used to be. It's weird, I just dont want too. Almost feel like its too much work. And when I do have sex, I'm not as hard as I used to be...

Here are my questions....

1) Is my test level lower than normal? If so, what could help? I took clomid @ 50mg/day for a month after my cycle..

2) I have some extra dostinex. Should I take them?

ANY input would be great. I really need to get past this, whether it be mental or not..

 

[muscleup]

I would do another run of clomid.......314 is very low/ normal.......You are simply not recovered from your first cycle.

Another run of clomid should do the trick.

 

[RippedRule]

Ok, just got out of the gym. Seriously, I can hardly make it through a workout. I feel so exhausted. I started taking Gakic [in my opinion is worthless] and still can hardly make it.

Is it possible I could have done permanent damage? Or that clomid won't bring me back up? I'm ordering more tomorrow because this has to stop.

Should I take it similar as last time?

Day 1 = 150 mg
then 50 mg/day for a month?

Any other advice to help boost it or should clomid be sufficient?

 

[dr_skier]

Yes, do another run of clomid, perhaps throw some Tribulus at a HIGH dose in there too... next time make sure to use HCG in your cycle.... *dont worry, everyone messes up their pct somehow in some form at sometime or another.

 

[RippedRule]

Thanks for the input so far. I'm interested in hearing if anyone has had this same problem? Of getting test levels back up to normal. What did you experience?

I'm not sure of my test levels prior to the cycle but I'd almost guarantee they were much higher. Being 21, I'd say my biggest lesson is to wait. I think my problem was that I started clomid a bit too soon and still had built up test in my body.

 

[gravis]

this Recovery cycle was given to me by a highly respected mod. (infact if he reads this and something needs to be edited please do so)

In extreme cases, it actually needs to be done twice.

Begin this cycle the week after last AAS intake.
Weeks one thru three: 1,000U HCG,IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday;
20mg Nolvadex daily [50mg clomid daily is added to the cycle if the athlete is coming off a prolonged(12 week+), 600mg+total, weekly AAS dosing(heavy)].

Weeks four thru six: 20mg Nolvadex daily. (50mg Clomid daily if you used it the first three weeks)

He especially stressed the importance of blood testing before any AAS cycle to determine your baseline levels.

I wish you well.

Gravis

 

[RippedRule]

Hmmm...

I have a few weeks of nolva left. When I get that round of clomid, should I go ahead and take the nolva?

 

[dr_skier]

I messed up big once after a cycle with a cattle load of tren and didn't use hcg... I will NEVER do a pct again without hcg...... I'm not sure if that'd be what you need at this stage cause it sounds like you've recovered somewhat..... another clomid run should put you right, others should chime in on the hcg factor though. and go read jentic's pct sticky~!

 

[RippedRule]

Yeah I'd love to hear more....

It's funny how much this has effected me mentally. I am in the gym just dead and I look at the older guys, some of which are really busting ass and I'm like...Is this how they feel? I don't know, but it's obvious my test is lower than before and I notice so many side effects...

 

[dr_skier]

Bro I've had shit happen to me before with my sex drive an I think that affects me in my head the most and is probably the shittest side effect i expereinced... I seriously slap myslef for not doing a proper pct, thankfully i kept most my gains, but still the on-off sex drive was killer... now from what i've read on the dostinex, which is a fair bit, a hlaf mg, every 4 days should supress any remaining higher prolactin levels you might have.... this should return your sex drive lightning fast, even while the test levels are still a bit low... apparently you'll get rock harder as well..... I will likely add distonix in the latter part of my cycle as well to combat prolactin.... Good Luck, jump on some effie's for the gym intensity!

 

[RippedRule]

Yeah I have some dostinex as well. I'll probably run the clomid by itself and see how that works at first. You think I should take both together? Sounds like it would help my drive...What other side effects do high prolactin levels give?

Also, I know EXACTLY what you mean by things being in your head. I'm somewhat of a hypocondriac so you can bet it's not helping. Anytime I feel tired, I find myself thinking about "low testosterone" or how I can fix it..

 

[KA-BAR]

Probably do not want to listen to my advice but I will give it to you anyway. I have been there a few times. I just jumped back on with small amount of test per wk. Say 250 cyp for about 6 weeks then do a hard core PCT with armidex, HCG, Clomid and everything you can dig up OTC. Zinc blah blah. Do a search and you will fine dozens of things. Worked for me.

 

[njmuscleguy]

clomid screwed me up big time for my last PCT... the sides were awful... didn't help with recovery, brought on depression and lethargy.... my personal opinion, HCG for 3 weeks and Nolva for 6, just as was stated above... this time around I'm also throwing in tribulus, avena, and maca for good measure... Protein Factory also makes a product called "Off Cycle" that has a good mix of OCTs that have been somewhat helpful... good luck!