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Need advice from Tren users

2BIG4URMOM

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I am trying to find some info on Trenbolone, but I need some advice from some users.

What type would you recommend Tren ace., or Tren. anath. or maybe something better?

Do you stack anything, I heard that if you do it will lower its effectiveness?

What are the sides, long term and or short term?

What type of gains are we looking at, and at what dosings?

I'm usually good at doing my own research, but for some reason I can't find a lot of info on Parabolan or Tren.

Thanks to all and K to those with actual info! :)
 
I'm using Tren Ace at 75mg ED for 6 weeks. I'm stacking it with 500mg EW test and 30mg dbol ED. Not sure if I've gotten any sides yet.

I'm on week two still, but I'm noticing a size increase, along with strength. But that may be some help from the dbol too.
 
For a first time user, acetate is better because if side effects occur, the short ester is easier to combat than the long ester. Tren is very effective alone and don't need to be stacked with anything else....You can expect lean muscle gains with no water retention from Tren, but of course diet is the main key....Being that it's progestagenic it's side effects are similar to deca however it's known to not aromatize so gyno shouldn't be an issue at moderate dosages. Many have reported night sweats as the primary side effects....Acetate has a 3 day half life so you can go as long as 3 days between injections and maintain steady blood levels. Most start with 75-100mg eod however for first timers I wouldn't go over 300mg a week. Tren stacks well with test if you are looking for a good bulker, however it's your choice to go with it alone or stack it with something like test and/or dbol.
 
Thanks Amgetr and Hammer, a lot of good info here.
Sorry HT, I can't give ya k at this time. :worried:

I am really going to put some thought into my next cycle, I may end up going w/ something similar to Amgetr's current.

75mg Tren ace. EoD
500mg Test EW
10mg dbol ED

I'm looking to get hard, increase my size, with a more vascular look and keep bloat down to a very minimum.

I know how dbol and test effect me, so I wanna see how my body will react to the Tren. Depending on how I do from the Tren I may increase my Test and dbol dosage on a later cycle. :chomp:
 
I'd credit the source, but it would probably look like promotion for another board...

Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as acetate)
Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one

According to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now. Since 1987. This is quite a shame. Both Finaplix and finaject are veterinary steroids and were readily and easily available for democratic prices. Finaject was an injectable and provided you could find a sterile source it was quite convenient. Now only finaplix remains as the original source of trenbolone acetate. The Ttokkyo brand trenbol75 surfaces from time to time as well, but its derived from the same material, though qualitatively not as pure. The problem with finaplix as opposed to finaject is that it comes in veterinary implant pellets, and trust me, you don't want to get one of these babies shot in your butt. So it needs to be converted to either a transdermal (often using DMSO) or an injectable. There are kits to achieve both. Trenbolone nasal sprays are gaining popularity as well.

Trenbolone acetate is rather short-acting but well liked because of its great availability and price. The alternative is the limited availability of Parabolan, a longer-acting trenbolone ester made for human use. Unfortunately certain lots only surface from time to time and they never sell cheap. They do act quite a bit longer. Parabolan (trenbolone as hexahydrobencylcarbonate) has the half-life of an enanthate meaning it requires less frequent injections. One of the major problems with finaplix however is that beginners making sterile injectable compounds isn't a wishful thing, and often leads to abscesses and infections.

The fun with Fina is that it causes small, well-maintainable and quality gains. Naturally it won't give you the sort of mass that testosterone or methandrostenolone would give, but it makes up for it by adding only quality mass (no estrogen formation, so no fat and water retention) which is quite easy to keep on your frame. In contradiction to many aromatizing steroids such as testosterone where a large portion of the gained mass is quickly lost again after discontinuation of the product.

It's also a very versatile product that can be used in a lot of different ways. One could easily stack it with testosterone, anadrol or dianabol for mass gains where the actions of trenbolone cause severe strength gains and add some quality to the mass. Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.

And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin-Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.

In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.

The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.

Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.

To get the maximum it is recommended that you inject the stuff of course, but that's slightly more complex as you need to get rid of a lot of the crap they put in these cartridges. You will need sterile oil, solvent (lipophillic), 1 empty sterile container, A syringe filter, two syringes and 2 18gauge needles. Start by putting your pellets in your solvent, and let it sit. You want the pellets to become completely undone and dissolved in your fluid. This is imperative. Shake it up real good and then let it sit for 12-48 hours to let all the crap sink to the bottom. Now take one of your syringes and start transferring the fluid into the sterile oil. You can decant as well, but you really don't want any of the crud on the bottom to make it into this solution, so using the syringe and doing it slowly is the best way. Now take your empty sterile container and use a new syringe to transfer the oil. Attach a syringe filter between syringe and needle and slowly put the oil into your container, slowly filtering it. For everytime you repeat this step you need uncouple the filter/needle from the syringe, or else dirt will gather at the wrong side of the filter and get into your solution. In fact, if your container is a vial its advised that you leave the needle in the vial with the filter on it and you just use the syringe to refill and filter. This solution is now fit to be injected. Its still advised to hold the syringe with the trenbolone under some hot streaming water before injecting first though.

Nasal sprays and sublingual forms are also popular, and while they too have some minor success, they are the worst way to go. It's a steroid, and with the added ester its even more lipophillic. Since the mucous membranes in the mouth and nose only let hydrophilic substances through, the rate of absorption is extremely limited. Usually to achieve this cyclodextrins are used, sugars that are lipophillic on the inside and can hold a steroid inside, but are hydrophilic on the outside, making the whole absorbable through these channels. But since fina does not have this and most of us do not possess the skills to make cyclodextrin complexes in our own kitchens, this is not a path one should consider. There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.
 
I absolutely love tren. The sides I see the most are the night sweats. I first started using tren when spectro was still in business. They had a really good product and thats what got me hooked on it. The thing I hated the most was the frequent injections. If I have to shoot something ED or EOD it will be HGH. I only used the acetate version until recently. I switched over to the tren enanthate instead. Pros of this were once weekly injections and it comes in a 250mg/ml dosage. I am currently using Golden Triangles version, and have to say that it really is my favorite steroid I have ever used. The Golden Triangle products as a whole kick ass. Their deca is pretty awesome as well. I shoot the tren once a week most of the time and use 250mg. If I am doing a show, I may shoot it twice a week to total out at 500mg/week. That is a really high dose of tren and that is usually the only time I notice the night sweats. I would strongly reccomend Golden Triangle. They make an acetate version also, and I believe it is also 250mg/ml. I almost forgot one of the other cons of the enanthate. It is not cheap, but IMO the price you pay for it is definately worth it since it is so effective. Hope this helps. Good luck on your cycle. eel free to send me an email or PM if you have any other questions.
 
Latamier said:
I absolutely love tren. The sides I see the most are the night sweats. I first started using tren when spectro was still in business. They had a really good product and thats what got me hooked on it. The thing I hated the most was the frequent injections. If I have to shoot something ED or EOD it will be HGH. I only used the acetate version until recently. I switched over to the tren enanthate instead. Pros of this were once weekly injections and it comes in a 250mg/ml dosage. I am currently using Golden Triangles version, and have to say that it really is my favorite steroid I have ever used. The Golden Triangle products as a whole kick ass. Their deca is pretty awesome as well. I shoot the tren once a week most of the time and use 250mg. If I am doing a show, I may shoot it twice a week to total out at 500mg/week. That is a really high dose of tren and that is usually the only time I notice the night sweats. I would strongly reccomend Golden Triangle. They make an acetate version also, and I believe it is also 250mg/ml. I almost forgot one of the other cons of the enanthate. It is not cheap, but IMO the price you pay for it is definately worth it since it is so effective. Hope this helps. Good luck on your cycle. eel free to send me an email or PM if you have any other questions.

Since this would be my first time using Tren would you say I go w/ ace. or enath? I'm the same bro, I would rather inject once a week instead of EoD. I had a few cycles of suspension and that every other day inject gets to be a pain in the ass(pardon the pun).

I'm just curious how bad where the night sweats?
 
I've used Tren twice, once for bulking, once for cutting. First time around, no prob with sides. Second time around, the night sweats were unbearable. It will give you huge strength increases if used while bulking in my experience. For cutting, I beleive it does have fat burning properties and makes you hard and vascular. I'd stack it with test definately. I'd go with tren acetate, but that's just me. For your first go around, try it, if sides become a problem. You can discontinue it and will be out of your system much sooner than enenthate.
 
slyder190 said:
I've used Tren twice, once for bulking, once for cutting. First time around, no prob with sides. Second time around, the night sweats were unbearable. It will give you huge strength increases if used while bulking in my experience. For cutting, I beleive it does have fat burning properties and makes you hard and vascular. I'd stack it with test definately. I'd go with tren acetate, but that's just me. For your first go around, try it, if sides become a problem. You can discontinue it and will be out of your system much sooner than enenthate.

Hammer suggested using ace. too for the same reasons, so I think it would be wise to go that route.

A lot of great info here, thanks everyone! :)
 
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