Need advice for cutting..

[Canuck #1]

Hi everyone. I am very new to the site and also very new to the juice scene..I do work out alot..presently 6.0',,195 lbs,,around 11.5% bodyfat.and going to be 35 yrs old.My diet is real clean,,,presently doing a carb rotation,,and went from 220 down to 195 in 6 weeks..no ECA for last 4 weeks..I'm now just taking,,kre-alkaline creatine,with no-xplode with nitrex..for the past 4 weeks...I have access to pretty much anything..I would love some help to keep my size and get down to around 8%..I have only juiced once before long ago...I am getting some Winstrol and clen this week,,but after reading on this site,theres a ton of info, now I'm not really sure whats the best thing to take..just want to get ripped,not alot bigger..and not take a ton of stuff..can u guy help??,,I was going to take winstrol by itself but everyone here sais its a no-no..and the clen,,when the hell do I take that??..sorry for the steroid stupidity..

 

[vrod717]

If your diet is in order, start out small with the clen if u never used before.
As far as winny, how much do u have and u should use some type of test base such as Test Prop..

 

[Canuck #1]

I am getting 100,,25mg orals and 100 clen tabs..I read the clen to go on 2 weeks then off 2 weeks with and eca stack in between which is good..How much clen is taking it easy??per day??and can I stack all 3 ,,winstrol..clen,,and prop..and for how long??or do I wait till off the winstrol and prop.to take the clen..?? And as far as anti-oxi's,,What is good to take,,I did buy some Milk Thistle plus and was going to take 2 of those per day,,but should I take anything else..??Thanks

 

[vrod717]

I am getting 100,,25mg orals and 100 clen tabs..I read the clen to go on 2 weeks then off 2 weeks with and eca stack in between which is good..How much clen is taking it easy??per day??and can I stack all 3 ,,winstrol..clen,,and prop..and for how long??or do I wait till off the winstrol and prop.to take the clen..?? And as far as anti-oxi's,,What is good to take,,I did buy some Milk Thistle plus and was going to take 2 of those per day,,but should I take anything else..??Thanks

Yes you are right with the Clen 2 weeks on and off. What are the mcg's for the tabs of clen.
Winstrol= 50 mg every day, so two a day...
Prop= 1-shot eod of 100 mg's
yes u can stack all three...
Milk Thistle is an herbal supp for the liver... if u meant anti- e's, nolva and clomid...

 

[Canuck #1]

The clen I'm not positive on the dose of each tab,,How many mg's should I take of the clen each day....??? And the Prop..100 mg,,whats EOD,(end of the day??),,sorry so new..lol....stay on this stack for about 6 weeks?? I was talking about anti-oxident,,do I really need Nolva or clomid if I'm only doing 6 week cycle??,,thanks alot for you help,,I've learned more in 2 hrs on here then in the past year..

 

[vrod717]

The clen I'm not positive on the dose of each tab,,How many mg's should I take of the clen each day....??? And the Prop..100 mg,,whats EOD,,sorry so new..lol....stay on this stack for about 6 weeks?? I was talking about anti-oxident,,do I really need Nolva or clomid if I'm only doing 6 week cycle??,,thanks alot for you help,,I've learned more in 2 hrs on here then in the past year..

Honestly if I were you I would hold off on the clen, try a natural product such as Stimulant X from Anabolic Extereme or ECA....
EOD= Every other Day..
After u do any type of cycle u need (PCT), Post Cycle Therapy...
do some more research before u start, There are threads on PCT and cycles..

 

[immortalis]

The clen I'm not positive on the dose of each tab,,How many mg's should I take of the clen each day....??? And the Prop..100 mg,,whats EOD,(end of the day??),,sorry so new..lol....stay on this stack for about 6 weeks?? I was talking about anti-oxident,,do I really need Nolva or clomid if I'm only doing 6 week cycle??,,thanks alot for you help,,I've learned more in 2 hrs on here then in the past year..

Most people start on 20mgs of clen for their first day or 2 and bump it up 20mgs at a time until they reach their limit. Most peoples limit (with good quality Clen) is around 120mgs. You can run it for 2 weeks straight before your receptors will deregulate and not allow for further stimulation. Then you need to take a 2 week off period. So your clen run is 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.

You can substitute on your off-weeks another thermogenic product like Thermorexin or Stim-X as suggested above.

Goodluck!

 

[vrod717]

Most people start on 20mgs of clen for their first day or 2 and bump it up 20mgs at a time until they reach their limit. Most peoples limit (with good quality Clen) is around 120mgs. You can run it for 2 weeks straight before your receptors will deregulate and not allow for further stimulation. Then you need to take a 2 week off period. So your clen run is 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.

You can substitute on your off-weeks another thermogenic product like Thermorexin or Stim-X as suggested above.

Goodluck!

Yes, just remember it is mcgs, not mg's

 

[YankeesMan]

Hi everyone. I am very new to the site and also very new to the juice scene..I do work out alot..presently 6.0',,195 lbs,,around 11.5% bodyfat.and going to be 35 yrs old.My diet is real clean,,,presently doing a carb rotation,,and went from 220 down to 195 in 6 weeks..no ECA for last 4 weeks..I'm now just taking,,kre-alkaline creatine,with no-xplode with nitrex..for the past 4 weeks...I have access to pretty much anything..I would love some help to keep my size and get down to around 8%..I have only juiced once before long ago...I am getting some Winstrol and clen this week,,but after reading on this site,theres a ton of info, now I'm not really sure whats the best thing to take..just want to get ripped,not alot bigger..and not take a ton of stuff..can u guy help??,,I was going to take winstrol by itself but everyone here sais its a no-no..and the clen,,when the hell do I take that??..sorry for the steroid stupidity..

I've done 2 winny only cycles both 50mg ED for 8 weeks, and I had great results off of both. It just depends on what your goals are. If your not looking to add much size Winny will give you a great strength increase and harden you up. Remember Winny is still supressive even on its own, so make sure you have all the stuff you need for PCT. Nolva and Clomid should be enough. Have Milk Thistle or better yet Tyler's ready to protect your liver. Also get some MSM for your joints incase you get joint pain. Luckily I don't!

 

[narshh]

Hi everyone. I am very new to the site and also very new to the juice scene..I do work out alot..presently 6.0',,195 lbs,,around 11.5% bodyfat.and going to be 35 yrs old.My diet is real clean,,,presently doing a carb rotation,,and went from 220 down to 195 in 6 weeks..no ECA for last 4 weeks..I'm now just taking,,kre-alkaline creatine,with no-xplode with nitrex..for the past 4 weeks...I have access to pretty much anything..I would love some help to keep my size and get down to around 8%..I have only juiced once before long ago...I am getting some Winstrol and clen this week,,but after reading on this site,theres a ton of info, now I'm not really sure whats the best thing to take..just want to get ripped,not alot bigger..and not take a ton of stuff..can u guy help??,,I was going to take winstrol by itself but everyone here sais its a no-no..and the clen,,when the hell do I take that??..sorry for the steroid stupidity..

If you just want to get ripped have you ever considered just increasing cardio and watching you diet? That will do it. You do not need AS to get ripped.

 

[steelmass]

I am getting 100,,25mg orals and 100 clen tabs..I read the clen to go on 2 weeks then off 2 weeks with and eca stack in between which is good..How much clen is taking it easy??per day??and can I stack all 3 ,,winstrol..clen,,and prop..and for how long??or do I wait till off the winstrol and prop.to take the clen..?? And as far as anti-oxi's,,What is good to take,,I did buy some Milk Thistle plus and was going to take 2 of those per day,,but should I take anything else..??Thanks

If they are measured in mgs then ur getting ripped off. Clen comes in mcg.

 

[steelmass]

On clen take: Acetyl L-Cartinine, Potassium, Taurine, Magnesium.

 

[vrod717]

If they are measured in mgs then ur getting ripped off. Clen comes in mcg.

Yeah, I cleared that up, he meant he was getting 25 mg's of winstrol, he doesn't know the clen mcg's....

 

[Prizz]

Hi everyone. I am very new to the site and also very new to the juice scene..I do work out alot..presently 6.0',,195 lbs,,around 11.5% bodyfat.and going to be 35 yrs old.My diet is real clean,,,presently doing a carb rotation,,and went from 220 down to 195 in 6 weeks..no ECA for last 4 weeks..I'm now just taking,,kre-alkaline creatine,with no-xplode with nitrex..for the past 4 weeks...I have access to pretty much anything..I would love some help to keep my size and get down to around 8%..I have only juiced once before long ago...I am getting some Winstrol and clen this week,,but after reading on this site,theres a ton of info, now I'm not really sure whats the best thing to take..just want to get ripped,not alot bigger..and not take a ton of stuff..can u guy help??,,I was going to take winstrol by itself but everyone here sais its a no-no..and the clen,,when the hell do I take that??..sorry for the steroid stupidity..

1st off, some of your info is wrong with the Clen cycle.... On your 2 weeks off of Clen, you CAN'T use ECA..... ECA is a Beta 2 drug too, and it won't allow those receptors time to clear out..... This is a HUGE misconception, and I hear it ALL THE TIME, and it's just plain wrong..... Get some Trex or Stimulant X for your 2 weeks off of Clen...... As far as the AAS goes, youre best off getting nice and lean 1st, then get on a cycle of plain Test with Arimidex, keep your diet clean, but up the calories a bit, and you'll grow with no fat gain...... Just make sure you have a good PCT planned, and all the PCT drugs on hand before you start the cycle..... Good luck bro.....

rizz

 

[vrod717]

1st off, some of your info is wrong with the Clen cycle.... On your 2 weeks off of Clen, you CAN'T use ECA..... ECA is a Beta 2 drug too, and it won't allow those receptors time to clear out..... This is a HUGE misconception, and I hear it ALL THE TIME, and it's just plain wrong..... Get some Trex or Stimulant X for your 2 weeks off of Clen...... As far as the AAS goes, youre best off getting nice and lean 1st, then get on a cycle of plain Test with Arimidex, keep your diet clean, but up the calories a bit, and you'll grow with no fat gain...... Just make sure you have a good PCT planned, and all the PCT drugs on hand before you start the cycle..... Good luck bro.....

rizz

I agree w/ ya but nobody recommended ECA in between, I told him he should just use ECA instead of clen until he did more rersearch on the product, but u are right about the clen and ECA....

 

[Juiced]

Well he could always just use 1mg of Ketofin or 50mg of Benadryl every third week before bed rather than come off the clen or Ephedrine as Benadryl will help upregulate those beta receptors, thats what I do and I still get effects from my ephedrine and clen, although I only cycle clen 6weeks on and about 10 off but i always take 75mg of ephedrine before training and still get the effects I used too when I started it years ago. I would recomend taking 20mcg of clen and bumping it up slowly over the course of 4-6 weeks to 100mcgs and at week 3 take ketofin if you can get it at 1mg before bed or 50mg of benadryl before bed, make sure its before bed as you can get sleepy, then you can run the clen the entire cycle of the winstrol which I would agree taking 50mg ed, but I would highly recomend tossing in some Tren at 100mg eod (by the way eod means every other day) that will get you ripped as hell, you always want to use another aas when on winstrol as it lowers SHBG which will dramitically increase the effects of other drugs in your system Good luck bro...and nothing is more important then your diet, you can take anything in the world and if your diet is off so will your restuls be....

 

[GymIntensity]

but i always take 75mg of ephedrine before training and still get the effects I used too when I started it years ago. QUOTE]


someone please tell me why I shouldn't think this comment is absolutely absurd???? 75mg of ephedrine at one dose. that is outrageous, im sure CNS loves you

 

[Prizz]

Well he could always just use 1mg of Ketofin or 50mg of Benadryl every third week before bed rather than come off the clen or Ephedrine as Benadryl will help upregulate those beta receptors, thats what I do and I still get effects from my ephedrine and clen, although I only cycle clen 6weeks on and about 10 off but i always take 75mg of ephedrine before training and still get the effects I used too when I started it years ago. I would recomend taking 20mcg of clen and bumping it up slowly over the course of 4-6 weeks to 100mcgs and at week 3 take ketofin if you can get it at 1mg before bed or 50mg of benadryl before bed, make sure its before bed as you can get sleepy, then you can run the clen the entire cycle of the winstrol which I would agree taking 50mg ed, but I would highly recomend tossing in some Tren at 100mg eod (by the way eod means every other day) that will get you ripped as hell, you always want to use another aas when on winstrol as it lowers SHBG which will dramitically increase the effects of other drugs in your system Good luck bro...and nothing is more important then your diet, you can take anything in the world and if your diet is off so will your restuls be....

I don't know..... I take 2 benadryl EVERY NIGHT before bed, and Clen is still only effective about 2 weeks for me..... You have to remember, Clen is not just a Beta 2 drug, it's a Beta 2 DESTROYER...... It kills those receptors stronger then most other Beta 2 drugs, so time off to let the receptors re grow is just essential..... Ephedrine isn't as strong, so I can see Benadryl working better there..... I know the studies show that Benadryl increases the time of Beta 2 sensitivity, but my real life experience tells me different..... I guess you gotta do what works for you.....

rizz