need advice and cycle reviews

[07reaper]

First to start off, this is my first post on this forum. Have been reading and researching on this forum for a while now and decided to join.
My stats are as follows: 25 years old, 5'11, 180lbs,roughly about 15%bf, been training serious for about 3 years. diet has been on and off the past year bc of a nasty relationship. now that im back on track for the most part, would like to start bulking with a cycle
Previous cycle history is as follows:
1st: Test E 250 at 500ml per week for 12 weeks followed by Nolva for pct
2nd: Test C 250 at 500ml per week , Deca200, and Eq starting at week 7 and finishing everything out at week 14. Did get a bit of gyno at the end of the cycle but the nolva took care of it.

Now for my third cycle which i have had on hand for about a month. Havent started bc i wanted to make sure that i knew everything about all of it before i started since im introducing something new into my body. cycle is as follows
Test C 250= 500ml week 1-14
Deca 200= 400ml week 1-14
Liquid D-bol= 30mg week 1-4
Liquid Arimidex= Not sure? bottle is 30ml-1mg/ml
PCT= Nolva beginning two weeks after last pin at 20mg ED
Other supps: two a day vitamins, Milk thistle 1000mg, Glucosomine, CLA, L-Glutamine.


I have never ran arimidex or d-bol. I thought i clarified through my source that i wanted pill form of both, but apparently, he is hard of hearing. was going to take 30mg of d-bol everyday for four weeks and .5 of arimidex EOD through the cycle and drop it before i begin the nolva.

So onto the question, what are my options here.
I work offshore so i need a way to take the d-bol during work hours without using a syringe. Is this even possible? Maybe fill a dropper bottle full of it and take from there? or would this cause any problems with the gear itself being out of the vile? Ive read that some people fill gell caps with it and take from there but wouldnt the gell caps bust/disolve if left for a long period of time?

My cycle above, if there is anything that is off, needs adjusting, or added, please let me know. Ive done a good bit of research, but with all the different dosages and opinions out there, i put one together that i thought would be good for me. Last two cycles, i was told what/when to take so im venturing out on my own here for the first time. If something is off or wrong, flaming is not needed. I will NOT run anything if something is off or missing. Im hear to learn as much as possible, not be stupid and chance my life with aas.

Ive also considered running a Test E and Tren E cycle to make some good gains as well, but have never ran Tren before either. Ive always been thick and never lean. Would leaning out a bit then bulking be a good idea or just wait until after i bulk to try the tren? Not a lot of research on tren, just throwing it out there for opinions on leaning before bulking

All advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks guys

 

[stevesmi]

first off are you sure you want to run deca? if so you need to understand what progesterone is and how to attempt to curtail it. a combination of an AI and something like caber will need to be run and that still might not help you.

also if you do run deca do not mix it with nolva because it can make your progesterone issues WORSE and in your case it probably did or you got extremely lucky . there are too many people who recommend nolva around the net, its a very old style PCT and there are far better ones out there! you definately are gonna need to do more research based on what you wrote. yeah it helped your gyno but there are far better things to use for gyno than nolva WITHOUT the sides. the reason nolva got so popular was cause the shit is cheap as hell, its the first drug docs use to give to their cancer patients.. why i have no idea. the sides are just not worth it.. i've heard so many horror stories .

also i don't understand your 2nd cycle.. EQ should be ran longer than 7 weeks, it is a slow builder and takes 5 weeks or more to even build up in the system. i think after 2 cycles running EQ, deca, test you should atleast be weighing over 200 by now at your height. do you honestly think that your diet and workouts are on point? i don't think they are at all. so get them on point BEFORE wasting your money and time on juice

 

[joeblow12345]

Steve is right nolva sucks for pct and when used as an ai. The sides arent worth the risk. Its also a good idea to run test a minimum of 2 weeks longer than deca. I usually go 4 weeks. Your going to want to get some caber for the deca. For the adex 0.5 mg eod or every 3 rd works fine. With running a long cycle your going to be shutdown hard so hcg at the end is a good idea. For pct a low dose clomid and some unleashed and post cyle work fine. You can drop the adex and use some forma if you want aswell.

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[07reaper]

thank you for the replies. Ive only used Nolva bc its all that i was ever given and told to take. Kinda freaks me out that i could have screwed myself up using the nolva and deca togethor! As for the cycle with the EQ in it, like i said in my first post, i was just told what to take and when to take it. all i know is that it made me hungry lol. As far as my diet and workouts being on point, my personal bet would be they are about 90% locked in. I use to weigh in at 210 but the last year, i have slowly dropped bc of lack of training and missing meals bc of personal reasons etc..

Is caber something i can buy legally? or do i need to get it elsewhere. and what would you suggest for pct? hgc? clomid? and i have never heard of unleashed?
just when i think i know a little bit, you guys bust my bubble. some of yal could seriously be doctors from some of the threads i have read! lol thanks for all the advice, keep em coming

 

[Texas Monster]

For PCT you will need HCG. How in the world you did not need it in your previous cycles I have no idea how the hell you recovered or how you are not already a HRT patient. DECA shuts you down hard and stays in your system for a long time so make sure you get your PCT schedule correctly as well as factor in that it is a progesterone. RUN CABER with deca. NO EXCEPTIONS. People will try to tell you that b-6 is enough and it really ISNT.

I agree with the previous posts as well. How the hell have you ran two solid cycles and not weigh over 200 pounds?

What I would recomend.
1) Do a hell of a lot more Research.
2) Train Naturally till you can gain weight on your own.
3) Dont touch juice till you get over 200 or you will be wasting your time, money and health.
4) Do not be a sporty spice in the gym. LIFT HEAVY ASS WEIGHTS TO FAILURE.
5) Do not argue about point 4 because if you had been doing that on gear and had a proper diet then you would not be weighing 180 at 15% bf.

Side note at 180 15% body fat you would be weighing around 160-163 at a lean physique. Now ask yourself. Should I really be taking juice? You ONLY WEIGH !160 POUNDS LEAN. Train natural gain weight the right way and study up. Do not touch gear till you can get your weight up on your own. Juice will only amplify the effects of what you are able to produce. They are not the sole cause and reasoning behind BB. If you can not gain weight on your own how do you expect to do it while fucking around with your hormones.\?

 

[MattJS]

Your two cycles and particularly PCT were not put together very well at all, if I was you I'd spend a lot of time reading on this forum look into clomid, hcg, hmg and some OTC products like HCgenerate... nolva on its own is a poor choice even for an old school PCT, how long of a break did you take between those cycles?

 

[joeblow12345]

thank you for the replies. Ive only used Nolva bc its all that i was ever given and told to take. Kinda freaks me out that i could have screwed myself up using the nolva and deca togethor! As for the cycle with the EQ in it, like i said in my first post, i was just told what to take and when to take it. all i know is that it made me hungry lol. As far as my diet and workouts being on point, my personal bet would be they are about 90% locked in. I use to weigh in at 210 but the last year, i have slowly dropped bc of lack of training and missing meals bc of personal reasons etc..

Is caber something i can buy legally? or do i need to get it elsewhere. and what would you suggest for pct? hgc? clomid? and i have never heard of unleashed?
just when i think i know a little bit, you guys bust my bubble. some of yal could seriously be doctors from some of the threads i have read! lol thanks for all the advice, keep em coming

You cant go into a pharmacy and buy caber without a script. You can get it for research purposes from research companies. Or check with your nolva supplier. Unleashed/ post cycle combo can be obtained from needtobuildmuscle.com. They also have hcgenerate and a bunch of other solid products. You should definitely do some more research. Read all the stickies here on the forum and put the cycle on hold until you have a thorough grasp on how to properly cycle. You could have caused yourself longterm damage cycling recklessly. You were lucky to have recovered from them. Your age no doubt played a large role in that. As you get older and natural levels start to dive you wont be so lucky. Educate yourself and save yourself the headache. You dont want to be a 30 year old guy with ed and the test levels of a 12 year old girl.

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[stevesmi]

joeblow is right on with his advice.

just for reference I'm working with a guy right now who ran deca 10 years ago and did not pct correctly, his test levels never returned to normal from that one cycle. its truly frightening... these are powerful hormones so you need to know what you are doing.

 

[07reaper]

Wow! I feel like a complete dip shit for even posting what I did now. I think it's safe to say that I'm nowhere near ready for this. Texas monster, I'm gonna have to agree with you. I never thought of it that way with being 160 lean.. I can also see your point where I would be wasting my time with gear if I can't even do it naturally myself. Common sense right?

I for sure don't want the test level of a 12 year old girl or ED haha! The goods are gonna stay hidden for a while until I'm ready. Plain and simple.

Preciate all the info and talking me out of being a DA guys. Great forum

 

[Texas Monster]

As in concern to your previous cycling I would highly recommend going to get a lot of blood work done. Considering that you cycled some pretty harsh compounds along with not running HCG or probably the right pct protocol you are more than likely a perfect candidate for HRT right now.

Running Deca at 14 weeks means that it is gonna stay in your system for 4-6 weeks. If you did not extend your test out 2 weeks past your deca and eq along with adding hcg at the end you are more than likely still shut down and have very low levels.