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This new nandrolone compound, by the letter of the law, is amazingly . . . legal because it’s technically not the same as nandrolone decanoate. Remember this is not a prohormone converting process, because nandrolone-17-ether is not a prohormone. It’s a special nandrolone discovered by scientists who were researching a rare inherited skin disease!!

Is this stuff legit?
 
Syntrax chemist gets credit

Syntrax did the same thing with penabol extreme except for they are using 5-androstendiol ether. They were the first ones to come up with the idea. If you read this article by Syntrax he indicates that other versions would work quite well. I tried penabol extreme for several weeks but saw no results, however as Syntrax indicates the other versions would be like legal drugs. Like Pat Arnold, Derek W.Cornelius chemist and owner of syntrax is constantly being ripped off by copycats, but hey it sounds much better then his version, kinda like 1-test being better then 1AD.

Several weeks ago, we looked closely at the present situation with taking steroidal
compounds orally. Up until now you had basically two choices. One was to go the
dietary supplement route and take compounds which had an extremely low oral
bioavailability. The other was to go the pharmaceutical route and take steroids that
alkylated at the 17a position of the steroid.

The first way works ok but you have to take large dosages throughout the day which is neither convenient nor economical. The second way works very well but has the
potential to damage your liver. Dilemma, dilemma!!!!

We saw a few weeks ago an entirely new technology that was presented to us by a
leader in the dietary supplement industry. We have been working on this technology for over one and a half years perfecting it. For the most part, it will work with any androgen/anabolic steroid. Here lies the problem!
Some snakes in this industry want to release nandrolone and testosterone 17 ethers
which are orally active. These are very good ideas for pharmaceuticals but for dietary supplements they are about the worst idea I have ever heard. Unfortunately, it shows no ingenuity and no concern for this industry. In this industry though, it is par for the course. Companies abound that only want to make a quick buck, lie about their products and rip off the consumer.

If you see or hear of any company that is selling or planning on selling these
compounds, then please, please call or write them and tell them ABSOLUTELY to stop.
For the sake of the industry, we do not need obvious drugs being pawned off as
supplements. They will work fairly well I predict if the dosage is high enough but it
could be one of the worst possible things for this industry.

As I promised in my last article, I will explain fully today how these steroidal ethers or
prosteroids work. Some so-called “experts” are trying to say that these compounds are resistant to enzymes or some other nonsense. This just shows the lack of knowledge these people have and proves the fact that they heard about this idea from us and rushed to tell everyone about it.

Where can we find the key that unlocks the secret doors to these prosteroids. Some may try to find them in the literature that deals with Quinbolone. But, behold you will quickly find that the authors knew only that the technology worked. To their chagrin, they did not understand the mechanisms behind this awesome technology.

The answer to our questions lies fully in a compound called Mepitiostane. This
compound was developed as an oral alternative to the powerful anabolic steroid
Epitiostanol.

What the…? I realize that most of you have never heard of Epitiostanol as it is a
relatively obscure steroid used for breast cancer that is only available in Japan. Again you might say, “How does a drug used for breast cancer work for us extreme fitness types?” Well, Epitiostanol was actually developed back in the 1960’s and has an
extremely good anabolic/androgenic ratio. This means that it causes a whole host of
positive effects in the body with minimal negative androgenic effects. The reason it was used for breast cancer is that it was shown to exert a potent anti-estrogenic effect which halted the progression of estrogen-stimulated cancers. What wonderful characteristics to have in a steroid! Great muscle growth with small androgenic phenomenon with no estrogenic problems like gyno…sounds like the perfect steroid!

Well, the Japanese company Shionogi thought so too but they wanted a characteristic
that epitiostanol lacked—significant oral bioavailability. The smart people at this
company went back into the literature and found that 17B steroidal ethers caused a
significant increase in oral bioavailability. They used the ether technology and voila,
they created Mepitiostane. Fortunately, they didn’t stop there! They decided to
elucidate just how these ethers work. Read below for the story!

The Shionogi research team began their quest by asking the question as to what
possible ways could the ether group be increasing bioavailability. They realized that
orally administered drugs and nutrients are transferred to the systemic circulation via the portal and/or lymphatic route following passage through the mucosal cell of the
intestinal lumen. They also understood that the portal route is considered to be the main route for compounds absorbed from the intestines because blood flow is about 500 times greater than lymph flow in capillaries of the villus.

Thus they first looked at the portal route and asked whether the ether group on the
steroid could be preventing the steroid from being metabolized by the liver. They looked at the characteristics of the molecule and decided that this was probably not the right answer.

Although not the primary place of absorption of most compounds, the intestinal
lymphatic system is known to play an important role in the absorption of some
compounds such as long chain fatty acids, triglycerides and lipid soluble vitamins. A
compound absorbed via intestinal lymphatics directly enters the systemic circulation at the level of the subclavian vein which avoids first pass metabolism of the compound
through the liver.

With this in mind, our good friends at Shionogi decided to look here for their answers.
Hey, all I can say is that these guys were right on the money! Using radioactive labeling of both Epitiostanol and Mepitiostane, they found that Epitiostanol is almost entirely absorbed via the portal route while mepitiostane is almost entirely absorbed via the lymphatic route. Bingo!

One of the most fascinating things that I noticed in their research was that there are
literally a multitude of factors that determine the bioavailability of orally consumed
steroids. Intestinal absorption usually refers to the process of uptake of a compound
from the site of absorption into the systemic circulation. This process includes the
penetration through the epithelial cells, metabolism in the epithelial cells and transfer
from the epithelial cells into the portal vein or lymphatics. Any or all of these processes can significantly cause inhibition of absorption of the parent compound. I have heard for quite some time from various sources that methandrostenolone (Dianabol) works much better when taken orally than injected. I used to scoff at this but now I might be in a position to believe what I heard. You see, there is quite a bit of research which shows that anabolic steroids undergo significant metabolism in the epithelial cells. Consequently, ingested methandrostenolone, as well as other orally administered steroids, could possibly be significantly converted into other active species with highly different characteristics before it even reaches the liver!

In the magazines and advertisements, we hear all the time that taking so and so amount of prohormone will give you thus and thus blood levels of that particular steroid. They base this simply by saying that a certain predefined percentage makes it through unmetabolized by the liver. They do not consider the facts that a great amount might not get absorbed by the epithelial cells nor do they take into consideration the fact that much might get metabolized into either more or less active species. Basically, the whole situation is quite complex and cannot be simplified with such a sophomoric formula.

I also want to bring up the point again of how important it is to have a proper delivery
system to cause increased penetration/absorption in the epithelial cells. I dug up a
bunch of research which shows that without any type of delivery system as much as
50% of the ingested steroid can be unabsorbed. You can guess what happens to this
unabsorbed steroid! Into the toilet my friend; into the toilet!!!

After Shionogi showed that steroidal ethers are absorbed in the lymphatic system, they did a series of studies which determined exactly what was responsible for lymphatic versus portal partitioning. Please understand that when the steroid is absorbed into the epithelial cell it is PARTITIONED or directed into either the portal vein or the lymphatic system. I already know what you are asking, “What determines the partitioning?”

It is a phenomenon called SUPERLIPOPHILICITY! If you remember correctly fatty acids and triglycerides are almost completely absorbed into the lymph. Superlipophilicity makes the compound associate so strongly with triglycerides and fatty acids that it absorbs in a similar fashion. During absorption, superlipophilic compounds become incorporated into the core lipids of chylomicrons in the intestinal mucosal cells of the intestinal mucosa. These fatty chylomicrons are then transferred almost exclusively into the lymphatic system (including the steroidal ethers).

We have to be careful here in assuming that all steroidal ethers are superlipophilic. My staff and I and have been doing very specific tests on these compounds to ensure that the steroidal ether we commercially market is superlipophilic in nature. Some companies will inevitably arbitrarily market a steroidal ether in hopes that it will work well—I just hope that their customers are not terribly disappointed. In our lab, we have seen very good and very bad steroidal ethers. It is really a very exact science!

We will soon be developing the very best steroidal ethers on the market—guaranteed to be superlipophilic! Furthermore, they will designed to have a very high
absorption/penetration into the epithelial cells. Of course, there is little we can do about the compounds being metabolized in the epithelial cells but from our initial experiments, I can guarantee you that this won’t matter!


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notpuff said:
See i think its bullshit because if sceintists were reaserching it it would be a registerd drug!



Oh, is that how it works? You start researching something and it obtains automatic drug status?

So every effective pharmaceutical compound ever sythesized is legally considered a drug?

I love all the armchair experts on the internet
 
then please explain why its legal , and why its not on the market , i think if they made a safe oral nandrolone or test theyd market it
 
pa1ad said:




Oh, is that how it works? You start researching something and it obtains automatic drug status?

So every effective pharmaceutical compound ever sythesized is legally considered a drug?

I love all the armchair experts on the internet

correct me if im wrong but taking nandrolone or test and slapping a new ester on wouldnt make the product legal.
because then a nandrolone suspension would be legal since theres no nandrolone suspension on the DEA's list
 
notpuff said:
then please explain why its legal , and why its not on the market , i think if they made a safe oral nandrolone or test theyd market it


I am not gonna speak for this compound in particular but there are a myriad of reasons why some very promising drugs never make it to market. First of all, it costs millions of dollars to get a drug approved and so not every promising drug is applied to the FDA for approval. Many times there are intellectual property issues involved, or the market for the compound is just not fertile enough to invest in. In the case of steroids I can probably name you over a hundred excellent anabolic steroids (out of Vida's book) that never made it to market. Many of these might have been as good or better than what is currently on the market but it just was not worth it to the drug companies to go forth with at the time. They have to pick and choose what drug candidates to invest the dollars in and that leaves alot of drugs in permanent limbo. Usually these are protected by patents so no one can steal them and market them (patents do run out in 18 years though).

As for this nandrolone ether I really don't know if it is really that good or not. It probably is no better than currently available compounds so I doubt that the company that originally synthesized it 40 years ago ( I believe it was an Italian company called Vister) found it worthwhile to bring to market.
 
notpuff said:
then please explain why its legal , and why its not on the market , i think if they made a safe oral nandrolone or test theyd market it


As far as why it is legal, well, it really is not technically legal. Especially since enyl ethers have very poor shelf life due to easy hydrolysis to the free compounds. Therefore whoever is marketing these compounds is gonna find that their capsules are contaminated with a substantial amount of a controlled substance - nandrolone. The DEA finds out and they will be charged with a whole host of serious federal offenses (this is why biotest dropped the idea). I kinda love it when companies with no chemistry knowledge fool around with shit they do not understand and then fuck themselves in the ass
 
notpuff said:


correct me if im wrong but taking nandrolone or test and slapping a new ester on wouldnt make the product legal.
because then a nandrolone suspension would be legal since theres no nandrolone suspension on the DEA's list


OK, first of all nandrolone suspension is just free nandrolone which is definetly controlled. Second of all, all esters of controlled anabolic steroids are by definition controlled (read the act). The authors of the act inexplicably did not mention ethers specifically so therefore companies are guessing that this must mean these compounds are exempt. This is a huge and risky gamble that these companies are making and the consequences of being wrong are immense. Furhermore, the companies are obviously ignorant of the instability of the enyl ethers and their easy breakdown to free nandrolone - a controlled substance. This is what happens when strictly marketing companies try to fool around with science they do understand in the least. Disaster
 
pa1ad said:



I am not gonna speak for this compound in particular but there are a myriad of reasons why some very promising drugs never make it to market. First of all, it costs millions of dollars to get a drug approved and so not every promising drug is applied to the FDA for approval. Many times there are intellectual property issues involved, or the market for the compound is just not fertile enough to invest in. In the case of steroids I can probably name you over a hundred excellent anabolic steroids (out of Vida's book) that never made it to market. Many of these might have been as good or better than what is currently on the market but it just was not worth it to the drug companies to go forth with at the time. They have to pick and choose what drug candidates to invest the dollars in and that leaves alot of drugs in permanent limbo. Usually these are protected by patents so no one can steal them and market them (patents do run out in 18 years though).

As for this nandrolone ether I really don't know if it is really that good or not. It probably is no better than currently available compounds so I doubt that the company that originally synthesized it 40 years ago ( I believe it was an Italian company called Vister) found it worthwhile to bring to market.

whats vita's book ? And your serious that they synthesized many great steroids but never brought them to the market ? i find it hard to believe they made something better then dbol and didnt reelease it , i couldbe wrong maybe you should write a book pharmacology for dummies
 
If this substance will convert to Nandrolone, there's no way they'll be able to market it w/out getting caught.... at least eventually.
 
riskybizz007 said:
If this substance will convert to Nandrolone, there's no way they'll be able to market it w/out getting caught.... at least eventually.

norandrostendio lconverts to nandrolone
 
pa1ad said:



They have to pick and choose what drug candidates to invest the dollars in and that leaves alot of drugs in permanent limbo. Usually these are protected by patents so no one can steal them and market them (patents do run out in 18 years though).


Actually with regard to US patents filed on or after June 8, 1995: under GATT, the term of a US patent was changed from 17yrs from the issue date to 20yrs from the filing date. Patent applications filed before this date are entitled to a term of 17yrs from the issue date or 20yrs from the filing date, whichever is longer. This may actually extend some previously issued patent terms from 17 to 20 years. Just trying to help...
 
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notpuff said:


whats vita's book ? And your serious that they synthesized many great steroids but never brought them to the market ? i find it hard to believe they made something better then dbol and didnt reelease it , i couldbe wrong maybe you should write a book pharmacology for dummies


Vida's book is called androgens and anabolic agents and was published in the 60's. It is a technical book found in university libraries. Half the book is a table of hundreds of steroid derivatives and their androgenic and anabolic indices.

MOre powerful than dbol? Shit that is nothing. The "Segaloff Steroid" synthesized by some guy at Ciba-Giegy assayed out more than a thousand times as potent as dbol orally. In other words, you would basically see the same result from 50 micrograms of that steroid as from 50mg of dbol. Of course the steroid may have been extremely liver toxic, as most of the super powerful ones were found to be. Methyltrienolone, a steroid around 50 times as potent as methyltestosterone was removed from the market cuz of liver toxicity
 
OVRTrainer said:


Actually with regard to US patents filed on or after June 8, 1995: under GATT, the term of a US patent was changed from 17yrs from the issue date to 20yrs from the filing date. Patent applications filed before this date are entitled to a term of 17yrs from the issue date or 20yrs from the filing date, whichever is longer. This may actually extend some previously issued patent terms from 17 to 20 years. Just trying to help...


You could help by finding me a competent patent attorney licensed in Illinois with some science background. Our current one is devoid of brain cells
 
pa1ad said:



You could help by finding me a competent patent attorney licensed in Illinois with some science background. Our current one is devoid of brain cells

Hehe. I wish I could recommend myself. Unfortunately there are not nearly as many patent lawyers as there are in the personal injury field...which is why they get paid so damn much. I wanted to be a patent lawyer but I didn't find out you needed an engineering or "science" degree until I had already begun lawschool. If you really want, I can ask my old professor if he knows any "good" patent attorneys in Illinois. My professor is a very well respected attorney in NYC and I believe he is a partner at Baker & Botts LLP.
 
sann is not going to release it, there claiming pressure from the fda prompted them to pull it.i personally think this was to build a hype around there company,and they never had it.
 
wojo said:
sann is not going to release it, there claiming pressure from the fda prompted them to pull it.i personally think this was to build a hype around there company,and they never had it.



No, they probably tested a sample and found that it contained a bit of nandrolone (making it very illegal). enol ethers are very unstable unfortunately

Now lets see if the 1-testosterone pushers have the brains to figure out just what exactly THEIR stuff is contaminated with. They better figure it out quick cuz the DEA is gonna figure it out pretty soon

This is why only chemists should fuck around with chemistry.
 
"No, they probably tested a sample and found that it contained a bit of nandrolone (making it very illegal). enol ethers are very unstable unfortunately

Now lets see if the 1-testosterone pushers have the brains to figure out just what exactly THEIR stuff is contaminated with. They better figure it out quick cuz the DEA is gonna figure it out pretty soon

This is why only chemists should fuck around with chemistry."

PA:

Could you please elaborate on this?

Thanks
 
=w= said:
"No, they probably tested a sample and found that it contained a bit of nandrolone (making it very illegal). enol ethers are very unstable unfortunately

Now lets see if the 1-testosterone pushers have the brains to figure out just what exactly THEIR stuff is contaminated with. They better figure it out quick cuz the DEA is gonna figure it out pretty soon

This is why only chemists should fuck around with chemistry."

PA:

Could you please elaborate on this?

Thanks

Now lets see. I spent alot of money and hard work doing research on the synthesis of 1-androstenes and on instrumentation to analyze chemicals. And I found out some things about this class of chemicals. Then competitors that do not do such research go out and make a total fuck up in an attempt to gain market share that I have gained through my hard work. I don't really feel I owe it to these people to do their homework for them (although a couple of guys i did share my findings with). Do you understand where I am coming from?
 
I suppose I understand - I am currently using a 1-test product and you comment just peaked my interest.

Thanks anyway
 
pa1ad said:


Now lets see. I spent alot of money and hard work doing research on the synthesis of 1-androstenes and on instrumentation to analyze chemicals. And I found out some things about this class of chemicals. Then competitors that do not do such research go out and make a total fuck up in an attempt to gain market share that I have gained through my hard work. I don't really feel I owe it to these people to do their homework for them (although a couple of guys i did share my findings with). Do you understand where I am coming from?

I completely understand and respect your position. However, could you tell us if there is a danger to those using a 1-Test product? You seem to be eluding to 1-Test being "contaminated" with a substance that would be considered illegal, however this does not make it unsafe for the user, does it? Thanks.
 
what hes talking about is these ether will probably be contaminated with good ole testosterone. i think
 
OVRTrainer said:


I completely understand and respect your position. However, could you tell us if there is a danger to those using a 1-Test product? You seem to be eluding to 1-Test being "contaminated" with a substance that would be considered illegal, however this does not make it unsafe for the user, does it? Thanks.

User has no risk from the contamination. Retailers, distributors, and manufacturers of the product face a very serious risk however
 
wojo said:
what hes talking about is these ether will probably be contaminated with good ole testosterone. i think


No, go back and read what i said. it was about 1-testosterone
 
Here's an uneducated guess, but could the 1-test products possible be contaminated with Methenolone? Jay
 
jay12 said:
Here's an uneducated guess, but could the 1-test products possible be contaminated with Methenolone? Jay


No, but here is a hint. When you make 1-androstenedione it is contaminated with boldione, 4-androstenedione, and 5alpha-androstandione. Maybe some people here can extrapolate this to figure out what 1-test is contaminated with?
 
Alright Pat . . . Boldenone and DHT!

So, that entitles me to a year's supply of 1-AD + Nizoral shampoo, correct?

You see, what I really don't understand is why steroids aren't OTC. I mean, at least SOME. We have OTC NSAIDS that don't even f*ing work and cause kidney damage when abused. We have OTC alcohol, which f's up the liver just like a 17-aa, but is often used in much higher doses and quantitatively probably does more damage (though 17-aa's are qualitatively worse for the liver). People inhale smoke and it's legal . . . smoke which contains weed killer as its active ingredient.

You'd think I could just go to Sav-Ons, pick up a bottle of Primo, 100 count/100 mg per pill or Oxandrolone, 100 count/25 mg per pill and actually fix that arthritic knee with desired side effects such as loss of adipose tissue, increase in muscular strength and size, increased CNS efficiency and feelings of well being/virility, but NO. STEROIDS are EVIL, says the media, says Lyle Alzado who died from a retrovirus infected growth hormone brain tumor complication that had nothing to do with anabolic steroids.

I HATE IGNORANCE!
 
Fortes said:
Alright Pat . . . Boldenone and DHT!

So, that entitles me to a year's supply of 1-AD + Nizoral shampoo, correct?



You still missing one more compound
 
This is getting outta hand... but at the same time very interesting... It's like, "1-Test is like a box of chocolates... Never know what you gonna get" :p
 
but if there getting the stuff made in china then shiping it here how would they get introuble it would be 1-test from when they get it
 
Is there enough to worry about aromatization?

Is there enough boldenon in there to worry about aromatization(even minimal amounts). Or that other 3rd compound that only PA knows about- does it aromatize? C'mon...just tell us whats in it besides 1-test. Whats the ratio of 1-test : Boldenon etc... Very interested in this and would appreciate any input. Thanks
 
Boldenon does though if i'm not mistaken. And the added DHT... that doesn't sound like a good thing. Wont that accelerate hair loss? Still I'm wondering what's the 3rd compound, or 4th if there is one. And the ratios! lol. But I'm sure PA knew what he was doing when he created 1AD and surely has his reasonS for not making 1Test.
 
riskybizz007 said:
Boldenon does though if i'm not mistaken. And the added DHT... that doesn't sound like a good thing. Wont that accelerate hair loss? Still I'm wondering what's the 3rd compound, or 4th if there is one. And the ratios! lol. But I'm sure PA knew what he was doing when he created 1AD and surely has his reasonS for not making 1Test.

the reason was probably all legal reasons
 
I think I got the 3rd ingredient PA, Nandrolone right? I think you posted that somewhere on the board. It may convert into Nandrolone, Boldenone, and DHT?
 
riskybizz007 said:
I think I got the 3rd ingredient PA, Nandrolone right? I think you posted that somewhere on the board. It may convert into Nandrolone, Boldenone, and DHT?



Its testosterone goddamit!! Arrgghhhhhh!!!!!!!

The contamination is only a few percent so its not enough to affect the performance of the product that much but enough to land you in jail if you are selling it
 
, i knwo kilosports doesnt make it they have a company in china make it then ship it over
 
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notpuff said:
, i knwo kilosports doesnt make it they have a company in china make it then ship it over
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Yes, of course!! My company is the ONLY company in the United States that manufactures prohormones. Every other supplement company buys the stuff from China and just about every one of them really doesn't even know exactly what they are getting. They may have it tested for purity but they do not know what the impurities are. Who else has an in house GC/MS? Don't get me goin. Who wants a fight? You, huh? How about you, what the fuck you looking at? ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
 
pa1ad said:




Its testosterone goddamit!! Arrgghhhhhh!!!!!!!

The contamination is only a few percent so its not enough to affect the performance of the product that much but enough to land you in jail if you are selling it

i already said dat, you said i was wrong.shoot i just went crossed eyed
 
I just bumped this thread to show all the people here what the board used to be like 5 years ago...the good old days
 
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