My Thoughts on Pro-Hormones

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My last cycle was 4 weeks of Sten-Zine. I gained 8lbs. in 4 weeks without any change in my diet or workout schedule. My thoughts are these products do work. However, within a week I lost all my sex drive and post cycle blood tests revealed my test levels to be at 5ng/dl. I immediately started Unleashed and PES erase. My FSH improved to 4.0 mIU/ml and I slowly started to get my libido back. I was curious about what some of your experiences have been and what you used during cycle with pro-hormones to prevent an HPTA shutdown. Compared to steroids like test, winny or deca I find the side effects of pro-hormones to be more severe.

 

[stevesmi]

my view is they are just like any oral.. they are suppressive , they can have sides, and you must run a pct after. a lot of young guys run them and end up in trouble. this is why they should not be touched by those under 21.

 

[jester72]

"Pro-Hormones" aren't really that at all. Once ingested and on the first pass through the stomach or liver, their active compounds convert directly into a steroid. Most are just methylated, or have an extra bonding agent, making them exempt from classification as such.

That is why they should always be treated as an actual steroid, and are not advised for anyone under 21. Most "Pro-Hormones" also require a full PCT like a standard steroid cycle, as well as on cycle support, as most "Pro-Hormones" are actually MORE liver toxic than standard oral steroids.

 

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What would you recommend using on-cycle to reduce HPTA shutdown.

 

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By the way, I am 44.

 

[LeanGain]

By the way, I am 44.

Best bet is to just run some test mate...these pro hormones are bollox IMO. If you wanna do gear do proper gear not shit that don't even have proved studies for it! If you want cycle help msg me I just ran a test prop cycle and gained over 26lb lost only 3 or 4

 

[eddymerckx]

What would you recommend using on-cycle to reduce HPTA shutdown.

the shut-down is a natural side effect that means little as restarting after is usually fairly simple. I am not an advocate of hcg while on b/c I worry about desensitization (with no peer reviewed to back this up--just bro paranoia). Same reason I have never used HMG as might as well save the big guns for when all else fails. That said, I am on TRT thus shutdown is meaningless.

 

[dylangemelli]

What would you recommend using on-cycle to reduce HPTA shutdown.

Excellent question with a very simple answer bro... HcGenerate ES... this is specifically designed to keep on cycle suppression to a minimum, making your transition into pct much smoother, allowing for an optimal recovery and more keepable gains... It also testicular shrinkage and your libido strong on cycle...

 

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I tried HCGenerate before. Good stuff. The website has it listed at $69.99 with a 30.3% savings which does not make any sense.

 

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Best bet is to just run some test mate...these pro hormones are bollox IMO. If you wanna do gear do proper gear not shit that don't even have proved studies for it! If you want cycle help msg me I just ran a test prop cycle and gained over 26lb lost only 3 or 4

Thanks I might take you up on the offer. Waiting to see if my doctor will prescribe some test. My last blood test levels were 96 ng/dl.

 

[stevesmi]

Best bet is to just run some test mate...these pro hormones are bollox IMO. If you wanna do gear do proper gear not shit that don't even have proved studies for it! If you want cycle help msg me I just ran a test prop cycle and gained over 26lb lost only 3 or 4

i'm not sure i get your point here.

are you saying testosterone doesn't suppress? if so you are badly misinformed.

pro-hormones are not 'bollox'.. there are ample logs on here and you have to remember that people sometimes are looking for legal things that are easy to get a hold of plus they don't want to inject.

and finally if you gained 26 pounds on a test prop cycle then i assure you that you were severely below your genetic potential and also there is no way that you gained just muscle, it is biologically impossible for you to gain 26 pounds of muscle on a cycle. that is buffoonery and you know it. so if a 200 pound guy were to follow your advice then after 4 cycles they would be 300 pounds of muscle and be ready to step on stage at the olympia. do you see how unrealistic and out of touch what you claim is now?

 

[jester72]

i'm not sure i get your point here.

are you saying testosterone doesn't suppress? if so you are badly misinformed.

pro-hormones are not 'bollox'.. there are ample logs on here and you have to remember that people sometimes are looking for legal things that are easy to get a hold of plus they don't want to inject.

and finally if you gained 26 pounds on a test prop cycle then i assure you that you were severely below your genetic potential and also there is no way that you gained just muscle, it is biologically impossible for you to gain 26 pounds of muscle on a cycle. that is buffoonery and you know it. so if a 200 pound guy were to follow your advice then after 4 cycles they would be 300 pounds of muscle and be ready to step on stage at the olympia. do you see how unrealistic and out of touch what you claim is now?

Thank you for chiming in Steve! I've had to hold off, because I was not going to be anywhere near as kind as you were.
I've personally run Beastdrol, Katanadrol 2.0, Helladrol, Cyanostane RX, 1-Andro RX, Forma-Stanzol, RS-Transaderm, AnaBeta 1.0, and I can continue here.

"Bollox"??? MY ASS! I made excellent gains on ALL of those, and kept damn near EVERY POUND of muscle gained with proper PCT and bridges.

Finally, 26lbs gained on a Test Prop cycle? If that's the case (and it very well may be true), then you had NO BUSINESS cycling in the first place!

 

[ozcroboy]

I gained 18lbs in 6 weeks on deiselbolan so they def ain't bollocks

 

[Shrine1]

So really the key is not to run a test base... Because its not completely nessesary (but always an option)...

what will be nessesary at the very least is to run a Phytoserms or HCGENERATE ES along side of the oral- PH/DS, which will aid in libido loss and shrinkage, which is the whole point to adding testosterone to a cycle in the first place.

Is this the correct thinking?

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[LeanGain]

I never said test wernt suppressive but atleast your suppressing ur natty test with more test! And here you go here's my proof of gains..:View attachment 115523

I'm just sayin my opinion on pro hormones don't mean to wind anyone up

 

[dylangemelli]

Best bet is to just run some test mate...these pro hormones are bollox IMO. If you wanna do gear do proper gear not shit that don't even have proved studies for it! If you want cycle help msg me I just ran a test prop cycle and gained over 26lb lost only 3 or 4

lmfao... you have no clue what your talking about... how many pro hormone cycles have you ran? do you think everyone that cycles wants to gain 20 pounds? did it ever occur to you that maybe you were way undersized when you ran your cycle? did it occur to you that could have gained a lot of that naturally? how much experience to you have? are you a decade long cycle user or was that your first cycle? look at yourself in the before picture... anything you would have ran would have given you a tremendous amount of size because you were far below the size you should already be at anyway.... im curious as to how experienced you are since your wanting to give all this advice yet its clear you had no concept on how to even eat before... let's hear it?

 

[stevesmi]

I never said test wernt suppressive but atleast your suppressing ur natty test with more test! And here you go here's my proof of gains..:View attachment 115523

I'm just sayin my opinion on pro hormones don't mean to wind anyone up

you weren't ready for steroids if you actually ran them in that first pic. you had zero base.

which is what i said before that you were way below your genetic potential. its one thing to run them without a base, but its another to run them when you looked like that!! do you really think you were ready?

and what does "suppressing your natty test with more test!" mean exactly bro? hormones are hormones, i hope you realize that every compound we discuss on this forum is derived from the male hormone testosterone, and every single one of them is suppressive. you may want to run bloodwork before, during, and after your cycles so you learn exactly what I'm talking about

 

[stevesmi]

So really the key is not to run a test base... Because its not completely nessesary (but always an option)...

what will be nessesary at the very least is to run a Phytoserms or HCGENERATE ES along side of the oral- PH/DS, which will aid in libido loss and shrinkage, which is the whole point to adding testosterone to a cycle in the first place.

Is this the correct thinking?

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you are on the right track however if you add testosterone to a cycle you will still deal with shrinkage and suppression.

i think where people get confused is they use terms like suppression and shutdown to mean loss of libido. you can have raisin nuts and have a strong libido so you are 'shutdown' or 'suppressed' which are terms thrown around on board.

I will let you guys in on a secret of mine, i haven't ran testosterone with my cycles in over 2.5 years lol. why? cause I feel like other steroids are far superior mg/mg. 500primo, 500EQ, and definately 500tren blows the shit out of 500Test. also i don't like the bloat and water weight from Test, like the guy above said he gained 26 pounds of what he claims is muscle, but in actuality its water filling his muscles which he thinks is real gains..

 

[Shrine1]

you are on the right track however if you add testosterone to a cycle you will still deal with shrinkage and suppression.

i think where people get confused is they use terms like suppression and shutdown to mean loss of libido. you can have raisin nuts and have a strong libido so you are 'shutdown' or 'suppressed' which are terms thrown around on board.

I will let you guys in on a secret of mine, i haven't ran testosterone with my cycles in over 2.5 years lol. why? cause I feel like other steroids are far superior mg/mg. 500primo, 500EQ, and definately 500tren blows the shit out of 500Test. also i don't like the bloat and water weight from Test, like the guy above said he gained 26 pounds of what he claims is muscle, but in actuality its water filling his muscles which he thinks is real gains..

Why do sooo many people say that nothing should be ran without test... "Dont do anavar only cycles.. without a test base thats terrible idea" I hear people talk about this all the time, so I guess I dont understand methodology behind test base/no test base.

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[stevesmi]

Why do sooo many people say that nothing should be ran without test... "Dont do anavar only cycles.. without a test base thats terrible idea" I hear people talk about this all the time, so I guess I dont understand methodology behind test base/no test base.

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cause they don't know that testosterone suppresses or that hormones are hormones and are all derived from testosterone. if that was the case then you could juice to the gills with tren or EQ and you wouldn't get suppressed using them or it wouldn't show up on a blood test etc.

the fact is you can cruise on EQ or any other AAS. hormones are hormones. the thing that makes testosterone the most widely accepted thing to use for HRT or cruising is that it aromatizes at the same rate your bodies own testosterone aromatizes at assuming you didn't take hormones and your body was producing its own hormones. but considering guys run 2-5X or more test than the body produces even when they cruise this idea is out the window anyway.

 

[thedarkhalf]

Man steve, you had some really great posts in here!

I'm all about running a lower dose of test with higher doses of other hormones.

 

[Shrine1]

I guess whats the point of running test at all when other options are far more superior and you can save some money by eliminating additional hormones..

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[ALIN]

My last cycle was 4 weeks of Sten-Zine. I gained 8lbs. in 4 weeks without any change in my diet or workout schedule. My thoughts are these products do work. However, within a week I lost all my sex drive and post cycle blood tests revealed my test levels to be at 5ng/dl. I immediately started Unleashed and PES erase. My FSH improved to 4.0 mIU/ml and I slowly started to get my libido back. I was curious about what some of your experiences have been and what you used during cycle with pro-hormones to prevent an HPTA shutdown. Compared to steroids like test, winny or deca I find the side effects of pro-hormones to be more severe.

Some of these touted pro hormones are really just designer oral AAS.

 

[stevesmi]

I guess whats the point of running test at all when other options are far more superior and you can save some money by eliminating additional hormones..

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as i explained in the previous post running a little test can give your cycle a kick.. for example with primo you should mix in something wet with it to give it some kick. RS transa-derm is a good option if you want to save on injections and works perfectly for that and it also includes a fat burner ingredient. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...ying-about-needles-rs-transaderm-1259513.html << here is a quick writeup i did on it

so something like this with primo

RS trans 1-12 5 squirts per day
primo 500mg/week

rather then doing another 500mg a week of test and injecting more

 

[dylangemelli]

I think the main thing here is that huge doses of test aren't needed... i feel its the base of most cycles but its just abused... when your running things like primo and tren, let them shine! there's no need for a gram of test or 750 mg a week when your running things like that... let them shine... test provides the base and the support needed and is absolutely a wonderful thing but it's often ran way too high and its not necessary.... it has its place, a very important one but not to the extent a lot of people have the impression it needs... now, if your running a test only cycle, then yes, hit it at 500 mg week... if your looking for big size, amp it up, but there are other ways to go about things that are extremely effective as well... pro hormones have there place... just like everything else does... there's effective ways to do things and then there's OPTIMAL ways to do things...

 

[Shrine1]

Thanks fellas.. makes sense.

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I agree there may not be long term studies on pro-hormones but they do work. Tried most of N2BM's stuff and others like Havoc and Stenzine and got great results. However, I have not seen my libido increase as I do with Test.

 

[DaltonLinda]

The effects on the liver should sound an alarm to anyone who wishes to use them. For any program I prefer a program that is both natural and does not come any undesirable side effects as well. http//maintainhealth.net

 

[jester72]

The effects on the liver should sound an alarm to anyone who wishes to use them. For any program I prefer a program that is both natural and does not come any undesirable side effects as well. http//maintainhealth.net

That's why we have N2Guard! GTFO of here with this crap. Hopefully a mod has banned your account by now.