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My next cycle.. throw out some input

AAP

AAP

Plat Hero
Platinum
Week 1 - 6
Test Enanthate 750mg
EQ - 600mg
Test Prop 100mg EOD (300-400mg weekly)
Masteron 100mg EOD (300-400mg weekly)
Tren Acet 75mg EOD (225-300mg weekly)
GH 3ius daily

Week 7-18
Test Enanthate 1 gram
EQ 850mg
GH 3 ius daily

I have on hand to incorporate if needed :
Nolva
LDex
LFem
LAromasin
but have no idea what the standard dose of each (if any) would be in relation to what I am going to be using.

Also, this is my 5th cycle and I have never used PCT regimine before but want to try it out. (cycle 3 & 4 were disasters and too short to really need it anyway). Can someone map out my PCT therapy? I have (in addition to the ancillaries listed above) HCG, clomid, proviron, Teslac.

My stats :
244-246lbs
7(?)% BF

My goals :
260lbs
no more than 9% BF

OTC supplements on hand :

The AAP MuscleMaking Cocktail
3 grams L-Arginine
3 grams L-Lysine
2 grams Taurine
2 grams Ornithine
5 grams Glutamine
6 grams BCAAs
10 grams Aminos (usually AminoXtreme packet)
2 gram A-L-Carnitine

all the above is in powder form, I mix together, throw in a dash of grape flavored Kool Aid (1 Pack gives me about 10 servings that is how little I use of it), shake, strain into chilled martini glass, garnish with a lime and drink rapidly. I do this 3-4 times a day.

I use a Beast Pak type multivit as well, 12 different tabs.

Training will remain the same.

Throw some feedback here.
 
Do you always run more test than EQ? Other than that shit looks killer!



that MM cocktail looks interesting, I might try it
 
Looks good, maybe you could run the tren a bit longer? perhaps 8-10weeks, I have found better results running tren longer than 6 weeks, depends how sides treat you.

244lbs at 7%, you got some serious beef, whats your height and do you have any pics?
 
Destroyer1986* said:
Looks good, maybe you could run the tren a bit longer? perhaps 8-10weeks, I have found better results running tren longer than 6 weeks, depends how sides treat you.

244lbs at 7%, you got some serious beef, whats your height and do you have any pics?
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he's posted pics before and was featured as in an EF newsletter
 
i like the cycle, looks nice, i really like the length of the eq as i think it needs to be run a long time to see best results, also why not the masteron at the end? doing a show as X questioned
 
Why are you using Tren and Masteron at the same time during the beginning of your cycle?

It's like using coke and pepsi at the same time.
 
Yeah I think masteron and tren should be run at the end...lengthen tren to last 8-10 weeks...3-4 more weeks of EQ would be benificial IMO...I wold run you HCG weeks 7-10 and 13-16 3X a week at 500-1000IU a hit...PCT use CLomid and Nolva strt 2 weeks after your last shot..
Clomid 100mg ed 14 days then 50mg ed for 10 more days
Nolva 20mg 10 days 10mg 10 days
 
Goals would be nice to know. You newbies need to learn how to post.

Masteron shouldn't be with the tren unless there is some reason to look that hard in week 7. I'd split them and use the tren first and finish with Masteron. Tren should be used daily as I've demonstrated on several occasions, and since your a mod people will say, "hey AAP does it EOD". Can't you just post that you're going to shoot the tren daily? Just backfill some slin pins and shoot your quad every day. It's fast, easy, painless, and fun for the whole family.
You should do very well with that.

Naturally I'm going to suggest you bag the liquid and use AIFM for your aromatese inhibitor and for your PCT.

Use 1000iu/day of HCG for ten days starting a week after your last shot of eq with AIFM/Nolva. I use would use clomid for 3 weeks starting when the HCG is done. Get some proviron/cialis JIC.
 
Ok, the Tren/Masteron is part of a combo from USPharma that is tren/masteron/prop 275mg total.

X - I am not precontest or really looking for hardness as I am naturally extremely vascular and all. I am just using it to jumpstart the cycle hence only using it for 6 weeks.

Ulter - I stated my goals were reaching 260 lbs with little to no increase in bodyfat. Also, quad shots have been horrible in the past for me. If you get bored, can you find some illustrated medical chart and put a red dot on it where people are suppose to inject? Those pics at spotinjects.com are no help. Also what fucks me up is that people say you have to inject in the side of the quad, well I don't know about you guys, but the only mass that I have on the lateral side is my outside sweep/teardrop shape of the lateral quad and it's mass is too close to the knee area to be accurate. After about 1 inch upwards, it sweeps inward toward my mid quad head leaving the only thing on the "side" of my leg to be the ITB band which is a bad no-no for sticking anything in it. I was thinking of the liquid compounds to help with any bloat that may occur. Unless AIFM handles and eliminates bloat as well.
Other than that, I usually use 27g 1/2" pins to inject everywhere I can reach. Chest, bicep and shoulders being the main area. I am unable to reach my glutes anymore due to lat mass.

Destroyer - I am roughly 5'10"+ or 6'4" If I am in my heels.
 
Try wearing brief style underwear......center of the thigh 3-4 inches below the material
 
The Shadow said:
Try wearing brief style underwear......center of the thigh 3-4 inches below the material
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Ok, I remember that one... but what about the "other" quad spot.

Also, I don't have any brief style underwear. So would that be about 6 inches below my thong strap?
 
mendo said:
AAP - why have you never used PCT bro? You must have been aware of it for a long time.
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Never knew how. That's the truth. I read so much conflicting info on dosing, scheduling, duration, etc..

To be honest, after my first cycle which was 34 weeks of EQ and winstrol, I didn't lose any weight either. I had a slight blurring of the hardness I obtained, but bodyweight and strength never went down.

2nd cycle only lasted 5 days. NPP fucked me up like a damn car wreck. I was nearly crippled on that shit.

3rd cycle was with tren acet and cyp and I completely lost my appetitie to the point I was only having at the most, one meal and one protein shake per day. Somedays I would only have just one protein shake all day. But I never lost weight and my strength still went up on this. I was using 75mg ED. That is why I am reluctant to include tren ED in this cycle, even with EQ to help stimulate my appetite. This cycle lasted 5 weeks and I noticed that it really did shut me down big time. Which made me realize that PCT was going to be a must for my next cycle.

4th cycle, I did 80mg anavar for 5 weeks, came off and never experienced a drop in strength, focus, or weight.

So now at cycle 5 and I really do need it after this one. I need to know how much (if any HCG) per week. When to start, how long to run, when to start clomid/nolva and how much to take for how long.

I would love any feedback on the amount of aromasin or femera/ldex that I might need this cycle too.
 
I agree that quad shots suck - they're so hit and miss but I swear I hit a vain every single time anymore. And I agree - prop/NPP was the most painful thing I ever shot - like getting shot, literaly.

You want to gain about 15 lbs, have you ever thought about Dbol? And I noticed you werent running any other orals in there. I have noticed on long cycles that orals really help you see gains throughout - 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, or just rotate a couple throughout.

PCT is pretty easy - depending on the ester you'll start PCT at a certain time (I always end with short esters or orals so I can start right away)
days 1-10 Nolvadex 40mg/day
days 11-30 Nolvadex 20mg/day

If you run clomid this is how I'd do it:
days 1-10 100mg/day
days 11-30 50mg/day
*that pyramiding method = ugh crying like a bitch watchin chick flicks side effects.
 
Arimidex - run it at 1mg/ed
Aromasin - since its liquid I'm assuming its 20mg/ml - run it at 10mg/ed or if that doesnt work 20mg/ed.
Femara - 1.25-2.5mg/ed

aromasin is the best choice, the other two might kill your sex drive.



no shit slat, he cant even reach his glutes anymore cause of 'lat mass'
 
You did state your final goal. But you didn't really go into your thought process as to why you were using what you posted. Seeing that you're using a combo it makes perfect sense. Even though I wouldn't do that. :)
If you use a slin pin you can inject in any part of the upper outer muscle in your quad. As long as it's lean.
If you have time to look through the posts about it you'll find that AIFM has been excellent at preventing bloat. It's far away the best solution for an aromatese inhibitor.
If you're dead set on liquid then 25mg/day of aromasin.
 
Ok, how about this for an alternative cycle :

Week 1-16
1 Gram Test Enanthate
800mg EQ

But I will need something to jumpstart it in the first 4 weeks. Reason being is I need an immediate kick to get things underway so I can make more bitches wet their panties during spring break down here (second week of april).
 
Since you've done Eq and Winny before, why not start out with it again? Save the Tren/Masteron/Prop for later in your cycle.
 
Destroyer1986* said:
Looks good, maybe you could run the tren a bit longer? perhaps 8-10weeks, I have found better results running tren longer than 6 weeks, depends how sides treat you.

244lbs at 7%, you got some serious beef, whats your height and do you have any pics?
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Yea, tren doesnt even kick in for me until 4 weeks, everyone is different though
 
Tren acetate does kick in quickly. I would jump start with Winstrol for what you are trying to do. I'm assuming you're trying to prevent water gain right? If you don't care about water gain then add D-Bol. That will give you a good jump start.
 
var kickstart!!!

will do what you want IMO better than a winny kickstart due to the strength increase quicker. no water weight gain, slight fat burning quality is always nice to.
 
just dont get it from satch LOL
 
Have you ever run any of the bulkier drugs that will put on water weight, like dbol or deca? You should try them; I imagine at your current weight and experience those extra 15 or so pound will be hard to get. Your cycle is full of the 'pretty' stuff.

Not that I'm saying to count the water weight towards your goal of 260, but you know.
 
string_bean00 said:
Have you ever run any of the bulkier drugs that will put on water weight, like dbol or deca? You should try them; I imagine at your current weight and experience those extra 15 or so pound will be hard to get. Your cycle is full of the 'pretty' stuff.

Not that I'm saying to count the water weight towards your goal of 260, but you know.
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I agree

that size is gonna require something dirtier...and I dont mean like var dirty.
 
Ulter said:
Tren Ace doesn't kick in for four weeks? That's odd
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Yes, usually around week 3 I feel tren, thats why I like to run it a bit longer. Really its the only compound that gives me less sides than say test.
 
string_bean00 said:
Have you ever run any of the bulkier drugs that will put on water weight, like dbol or deca? You should try them; I imagine at your current weight and experience those extra 15 or so pound will be hard to get. Your cycle is full of the 'pretty' stuff.

Not that I'm saying to count the water weight towards your goal of 260, but you know.
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So you like your men fat now?


I would think that with only 2 decent cycles under me, I can achieve more gains without a bloat.
 
Ulter said:
Can't you just post that you're going to shoot the tren daily? Just backfill some slin pins and shoot your quad every day. .
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can you squeeze tren hex ( and or NPP) out of a slin pin too by heating it up? ED with 22 or 25ga was just making too much scar tissue in my quads.

also, longest i can find in a slin pin at my pharmacies is 5/8's - is that deep enuf?

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