my friend needs help with a cycle please help.

[wolfman87]

my friend wants to increase mass as much as possible but he can't decide on what he should do and whats best to do that. his stats are 5'11'' 175lbs been training for 2 years hard and has a decent diet. he want's to stay away from things that will shorten his breath like tren. can you guys help him figure out what's best to do. on a side note he's interested to know if dbol and winny would be good to do together in the future.

 

[thesuaveone]

my friend...

Bro, I don't mean to offend, but this reminds me of the girlfriend in Canada story guys used to come back from summer break with.

 

[Mac173]

What's "his" diet like?

 

[mono_1]

Is it his first cycle or what?

 

[wolfman87]

i understand that you guys think he is me and that's fine he just doesn't have an acount of here. yes it is his first cycle and he eats 3 good meals a day with protein shakes but some times he cheats and has a pizza or something.

 

[bmcadoo44]

well then steroids isnt for your friend.. you need to tell him to reconsider. if you start steroids you are from here on out dedicated to what you do. Me, i work out 6 days a week, 2 hours actually lifting and then an hour bicycling class for cardio every other day. I also eat 4-5 whole meals a day with 2 protein shakes throughout.

 

[wolfman87]

well then steroids isnt for your friend.. you need to tell him to reconsider. if you start steroids you are from here on out dedicated to what you do. Me, i work out 6 days a week, 2 hours actually lifting and then an hour bicycling class for cardio every other day. I also eat 4-5 whole meals a day with 2 protein shakes throughout.

and why do you say he should reconsider? because you eat 1 or 2 more meals than he does? i'm sure he can get his diet down. i'm willing to bet you haven't had a perfect diet your whole life. idk how long he works out (we go to different gyms) but i know he's made a lot of progress since he first started. we are on the same lacrosse team and we get plenty of running in sooo.... i can't think of any reason why he shouldn't.

 

[wrknonit]

clear your pm's wolfman87

and why do you say he should reconsider? because you eat 1 or 2 more meals than he does? i'm sure he can get his diet down. i'm willing to bet you haven't had a perfect diet your whole life. idk how long he works out (we go to different gyms) but i know he's made a lot of progress since he first started. we are on the same lacrosse team and we get plenty of running in sooo.... i can't think of any reason why he shouldn't.

 

[BigCracker]

and why do you say he should reconsider? because you eat 1 or 2 more meals than he does? i'm sure he can get his diet down. i'm willing to bet you haven't had a perfect diet your whole life. idk how long he works out (we go to different gyms) but i know he's made a lot of progress since he first started. we are on the same lacrosse team and we get plenty of running in sooo.... i can't think of any reason why he shouldn't.

If he dialed in his diet and training like he should he wouldn't need steroids to make gains. Sounds like someone that's half assing it. I know guys with 10x more discipline than him and they're still waiting to plateau natty before they use anabolics. How old is your friend? 20? If so that's another big reason for him not to use anabolics. Not only is his body still growing at that age, he's probably to immature to make this kind of decision with his health. He could fuck himself up good with a whole array of things that could possibly go wrong-like unwanted side effects and/or abcesses.

Besides, if he was really that serious he wouldn't be having a friend ask questions for him.

 

[wolfman87]

If he dialed in his diet and training like he should he wouldn't need steroids to make gains. Sounds like someone that's half assing it. I know guys with 10x more discipline than him and they're still waiting to plateau natty before they use anabolics. How old is your friend? 20? If so that's another big reason for him not to use anabolics. Not only is his body still growing at that age, he's probably to immature to make this kind of decision with his health. He could fuck himself up good with a whole array of things that could possibly go wrong-like unwanted side effects and/or abcesses.

Besides, if he was really that serious he wouldn't be having a friend ask questions for him.

i see what you're saying he just has no way of getting info from real people about this without going through me on this site. from what i've seen his gains are starting to taper off now tho, so should he just keep up with the protein but add some sort of creatine to help boost him till he's old enough to start you think?

 

[BigCracker]

i see what you're saying he just has no way of getting info from real people about this without going through me on this site. from what i've seen his gains are starting to taper off now tho, so should he just keep up with the protein but add some sort of creatine to help boost him till he's old enough to start you think?

If he has no internet access in this day of cell phone browsers, internet cafes, etc, he has bigger problems than not being big enough.

Why aren't you telling us his age??? Sounds like we're all wasting keystrokes on this guy cuz he's too young in the 1st place.

 

[dline]

If he has no internet access in this day of cell phone browsers, internet cafes, etc, he has bigger problems than not being big enough.

Why aren't you telling us his age??? Sounds like we're all wasting keystrokes on this guy cuz he's too young in the 1st place.

+1


DLine

 

[Ulter]

I'm assuming your 19 so is your friend younger?

To answer the question; no that's a terrible cycle. In fact, it's not a cycle.

 

[BigCracker]

I'm assuming your 19 so is your friend younger?

To answer the question; no that's a terrible cycle. In fact, it's not a cycle.

And you can take that to the bank!!!

 

[misticat]

tell your friend no

 

[wolfman87]

ok i'm confused here. i asked what would be a good cycle for him so i don't know where your getting the terrible cycle from unless you're talking about the winny and dbol stack. i did tell him that i wasn't sure that was a good idea tho, he just wanted to see it from y'all i guess.

next issue, he is young but it's not my fault i can't talk him out of wanting to use steroids so there's no need to get on my ass about that.

next, i never said he didn't have internet access he just doesn't like computers much and is afraid of being flamed for stupid questions (i've taken it myself and now i'm taking it again for him, sheesh) he's also kinda shy and doesn't take being insulted very well... i know what you're thinking and yes he needs to act like he has a pair sometimes.

lastly, if you think you're wasting keystrokes you probably are, b/c most likely you're flaming someone that has a legitimate question or something of the sort.

moral of the story, stop assuming things to try and be a smart guy, if you're not sure what someone is talking about or something just ask them to clarify. it doesn't make you less of a man to ask questions. i mean shit, that's why most of us joined this site in the first place.

on to what i started the thread about. what should he do besides modify his diet (i told him what to do for that today) to break through where he is stuck at? would creatine be an option for him? idk i've never taken it b4. maybe a 5x5 routine to switch things up? i've been thinking of starting that myself. sorry for being such an asshole but it really irks me when i catch shit for trying to help out someone else, i'm sure y'all understand.

 

[BigCracker]

ok i'm confused here. i asked what would be a good cycle for him so i don't know where your getting the terrible cycle from unless you're talking about the winny and dbol stack. i did tell him that i wasn't sure that was a good idea tho, he just wanted to see it from y'all i guess.

next issue, he is young but it's not my fault i can't talk him out of wanting to use steroids so there's no need to get on my ass about that.

next, i never said he didn't have internet access he just doesn't like computers much and is afraid of being flamed for stupid questions (i've taken it myself and now i'm taking it again for him, sheesh) he's also kinda shy and doesn't take being insulted very well... i know what you're thinking and yes he needs to act like he has a pair sometimes.

lastly, if you think you're wasting keystrokes you probably are, b/c most likely you're flaming someone that has a legitimate question or something of the sort.

moral of the story, stop assuming things to try and be a smart guy, if you're not sure what someone is talking about or something just ask them to clarify. it doesn't make you less of a man to ask questions. i mean shit, that's why most of us joined this site in the first place.

on to what i started the thread about. what should he do besides modify his diet (i told him what to do for that today) to break through where he is stuck at? would creatine be an option for him? idk i've never taken it b4. maybe a 5x5 routine to switch things up? i've been thinking of starting that myself. sorry for being such an asshole but it really irks me when i catch shit for trying to help out someone else, i'm sure y'all understand.

Fuck you bitch. Another gen x'er that believes he's fully entitled to our knowledge simply because we know more than you. If you read your url you'd see this is EliteFitness.com They way you sound you'd think this site was Steroids For Dummies.com. Who the hell ever said that we're obligated to help anyone??? Any 411 you get here is a gift, not your birthright. So go over to your underage butt buddy's house, crack open a Yoohoo and play X-Box 360 while listening to Fall Out Boy tunes. Save the roid stuff for the guys that arent searching for shortcuts. Bottom line, your boy is a retard and you are equally as retarded for doing his dirty work for him. If you are a true friend you will quit enabling him by searching for answers he doesn't even need to know the answers to. Try spending time on the diet/training boards. If you pay your dues and develop a good natural base physique through a few years of training/dieting/ personal trial and error/research. Then you can come back here and ask legit questions that you might get legit answers to. In the meantime, it sounds like nobody else wants to help your butt buddy step off a cliff. Sucks to be you...P.S. your mama!

 

[wolfman87]

Fuck you bitch. Another gen x'er that believes he's fully entitled to our knowledge simply because we know more than you. If you read your url you'd see this is EliteFitness.com They way you sound you'd think this site was Steroids For Dummies.com. Who the hell ever said that we're obligated to help anyone??? Any 411 you get here is a gift, not your birthright. So go over to your underage butt buddy's house, crack open a Yoohoo and play X-Box 360 while listening to Fall Out Boy tunes. Save the roid stuff for the guys that arent searching for shortcuts. Bottom line, your boy is a retard and you are equally as retarded for doing his dirty work for him. If you are a true friend you will quit enabling him by searching for answers he doesn't even need to know the answers to. Try spending time on the diet/training boards. If you pay your dues and develop a good natural base physique through a few years of training/dieting/ personal trial and error/research. Then you can come back here and ask legit questions that you might get legit answers to. In the meantime, it sounds like nobody else wants to help your butt buddy step off a cliff. Sucks to be you...P.S. your mama!

lol that was mature. that's a fantastic example of wasting keystrokes for ya. btw in my last thread if you had completely read it instead of taking the first "insult" you saw as personal you would have found that i asked if there was ANYTHING ELSE he could use to break through where he is stuck at like creatine. now i don't know where you came up with the idea that i think it's my birth right to have you guys answer my questions b/c i've started many threads and not gotten anything for an answer. i have however gotten a lot of good advice from good people on this board. i think it's weird how you guys can be cool one day and the next day flip shit over nothing. oh well i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just on clomid or something cause i'd like to think you're really a good guy that just had a bad moment. P.S. it does not "suck to be me" (that statement leads me to believe that you can't handle getting flamed yourself) and he is not my butt buddy lol. P.P.S. if anyone still wants to give some advice for my friend i'm all ears.