My cycle is getting closer to completion!!!

[Lupercal CATS]

I am looking for a cycle to gain a lot of lean mass. I am going to have a test base (99% sure on prop) and I would also like to run tren. I was thinking...

weeks 1-10
150mg test prop EoD
100mg tren ace EoD

Weeks 1-4
Tbol? Pretty sure I wanna mix tbol and var.
Var?
Winny?
Dbol?

Weeks 6-10
Winny 50-100mg ED


One problem I saw was with my injections. If I did both tren and prop on the same day I would be injecting 2.5ml each injection. That is normally not a problem but I am going to have to rotate in pecs, delts and possibly triceps. I am not sure how well those muscles would take 2.5ml. On the other hand I could seperate them into different syrgines leaving me with a 1ml shot and a 1.5ml shot. I'd really like to save some $$$ and buy half the syringes I would need for the ladder. Another option would be to run tren e instead of ace, I'd like some opinions on this.

Also I am not sure what to run at the beginning and end of my cycle. I would like to add LEAN mass but I am aware that the type of mass put on during a cycle has more to do with the diet than the drugs. However I would like to avoid bloat if at all possible. The last time I ran winny I notced no extra strength or any kind of changes. I ran 50mg ED orally. I proposed running 100mg ED but that idea was quickly shot down by a few EF members. Many people advised tbol instead. Then I saw a thread that had a guy mixing both tbol and var, taking about 80-100mg total ED.

I'm just plain confused about what oral to run at the beginning and what to run at the end (if any). Also what to do about the tren has me confused, so if my post hasn't confused ya'll I'd like some opinions!

Thanks EF!!!!

Edit. Decided on 50-100mg ED of winny for the last 4 weeks.

 

[Outtlaw]

I am looking for a cycle to gain a lot of lean mass. I am going to have a test base (99% sure on prop) and I would also like to run tren. I was thinking...

weeks 1-10
150mg test prop EoD
100mg tren ace EoD

Weeks 1-4
Tbol? Pretty sure I wanna mix tbol and var.
Var?
Winny?
Dbol?

Weeks 6-10
Tbol?
Var?
Winny?
Anything?

One problem I saw was with my injections. If I did both tren and prop on the same day I would be injecting 2.5ml each injection. That is normally not a problem but I am going to have to rotate in pecs, delts and possibly triceps. I am not sure how well those muscles would take 2.5ml. On the other hand I could seperate them into different syrgines leaving me with a 1ml shot and a 1.5ml shot. I'd really like to save some $$$ and buy half the syringes I would need for the ladder. Another option would be to run tren e instead of ace, I'd like some opinions on this.

Also I am not sure what to run at the beginning and end of my cycle. I would like to add LEAN mass but I am aware that the type of mass put on during a cycle has more to do with the diet than the drugs. However I would like to avoid bloat if at all possible. The last time I ran winny I notced no extra strength or any kind of changes. I ran 50mg ED orally. I proposed running 100mg ED but that idea was quickly shot down by a few EF members. Many people advised tbol instead. Then I saw a thread that had a guy mixing both tbol and var, taking about 80-100mg total ED.

I'm just plain confused about what oral to run at the beginning and what to run at the end (if any). Also what to do about the tren has me confused, so if my post hasn't confused ya'll I'd like some opinions!

Thanks EF!!!!

Im for tren acetate over tren E because you get imediate results and can stop anytime if sides become a problem. But I wouldnt run it for more than 8wks at a time. Im also against running prop for such a long peroid of time due to the amount of injections. I've got too much shit to inject already. I dont need to add extra injections. But if it doesnt bother you... then go right ahead. Orals are a personal choice. But based on what you want, I'd probably lean towards var, winny, or tbol.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

Im for tren acetate over tren E because you get imediate results and can stop anytime if sides become a problem. But I wouldnt run it for more than 8wks at a time. Im also against running prop for such a long peroid of time due to the amount of injections. I've got too much shit to inject already. I dont need to add extra injections. But if it doesnt bother you... then go right ahead. Orals are a personal choice. But based on what you want, I'd probably lean towards var, winny, or tbol.

I'm not a big fan of injections but I don't mind doing them.

What about:

1-4
150mg prop EoD
500mg test e
1-10
500mg test e

Prop will get the test flowing early and then ill only have 2 shots weekly.

 

[Outtlaw]

I'm not a big fan of injections but I don't mind doing them.

What about:

1-4
150mg prop EoD
500mg test e
1-10
500mg test e

Prop will get the test flowing early and then ill only have 2 shots weekly.

I like that idea better.

 

[LVTitan]

i agree, i see no reason to run prop for 10 weeks.. just insane.. add it in the beginning to frontload while the test cyp builds up...
and your later posting doesnt have your tren ace schedule ???

how about just test e/cyp for 12 weeks,
and start the tren around week 4 when the test is built up, lot less pokes that way, and you wont be on the tren more than 8 weeks !

 

[Lupercal CATS]

i agree, i see no reason to run prop for 10 weeks.. just insane.. add it in the beginning to frontload while the test cyp builds up...
and your later posting doesnt have your tren ace schedule ???

how about just test e/cyp for 12 weeks,
and start the tren around week 4 when the test is built up, lot less pokes that way, and you wont be on the tren more than 8 weeks !

Soooooo...

1-4
150mg Test prop EoD
500mg Test E or C

1-10
500mg test e

4-10
100mg tren ace EoD

6-10
75(ish)mg ED

I'm pretty sure I want to run winny at the end. I ran 50mg winny ED for 4 weeks at the end of my last cycle and saw almost no results.

Should I also front load with another oral or only run the prop to front load?

 

[Outtlaw]

Soooooo...

1-4
150mg Test prop EoD
500mg Test E or C

1-10
500mg test e

4-10
100mg tren ace EoD

6-10
75(ish)mg ED

I'm pretty sure I want to run winny at the end. I ran 50mg winny ED for 4 weeks at the end of my last cycle and saw almost no results.

Should I also front load with another oral or only run the prop to front load?

I'd run the prop and tren together at the beginning. Then add you oral in at the end. But it's really just about personal preference.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

I'd run the prop and tren together at the beginning. Then add you oral in at the end. But it's really just about personal preference.

I like that idea!!!

 

[LVTitan]

Soooooo...

1-4
150mg Test prop EoD
500mg Test E or C

1-10
500mg test e

4-10
100mg tren ace EoD

6-10
75(ish)mg ED

I'm pretty sure I want to run winny at the end. I ran 50mg winny ED for 4 weeks at the end of my last cycle and saw almost no results.

Should I also front load with another oral or only run the prop to front load?

i'm a little confused here: are you running a gram a week of test e for 10 weeks along with the prop frontload ? or 500mg/week plus the prop frontload ?

and 6-10 75(ish) of WHAT ed ?

 

[Lupercal CATS]

i'm a little confused here: are you running a gram a week of test e for 10 weeks along with the prop frontload ? or 500mg/week plus the prop frontload ?

and 6-10 75(ish) of WHAT ed ?

500mg a week of test e throughout the cycle. Front loading with 150mg EoD of test prop for 4 weeks.

75mg of winny for the last 4 weeks. 50mg didn't do anything for me.