My Cycle...CHOLESTEROL DRAMA... and your thoughts?

[NJstacked]

Ok... last year I ran a STRONG DAILY dose of Letro with my Winny, Var and Test Prop cycle... 40mgs of Var/day...800mgs/Prop/wk and winny 100mgs/EOD were used.... Long story short...my Dr. flipped out...when I had my blood work done... I had very very low good cholesterol (HDL) 12.... I stopped my cycle... except the test...and tried to avoid an all out crash... I have been OFF for 5 months now and I am about to start back in a week... I have decided to never do Var again as I have learned it has a huge impact of Cholesterol levels as well as winny... Obviously test does too... but I am willing to accept that risk.... as I am sure my levels are back to normal... but I am getting blood work this week to tell for sure... My proposed cycle is 12 week...nothing extreme... Test Enth. 500mgs/week Primo. 700mgs/week While taking Nolvadex instead of Letro...because Letro was always said to have stopped my estrogen so much that it killed my cholesterol levels.... What are your thoughts on this cycle and the impact on my cholesterol.... it is a light cycle to test the waters and see how my cholsterol responds.... Will the NOLVADEX be roguh on my HDL/LDL levels? THOUGHTS? Thank You!

Also my goal for this cycle is to just lean out... so I will only be eating 2500 calories per day and doing seriosu cardio... the compounds I chose to use will help spare some muscle while I cut some BF....

 

[Outtlaw]

I think you should be fine with your proposed cycle. If you want, throw in some policosanol or something to try and work on the cholesterol.

 

[NJstacked]

I hope so... As I have been doing this for 5 years now.. health has become much much more important to me... and I am trying to live a cleaner life...

 

[40butpumpin]

Hey bro. IMO the effect on cholesterol is indirect and really due to liver malfunction (which is due to the AAS used). The ones you used last year are known to be particularly toxic to your liver. I would suggest going really heavy with r-ala ( I use upwards of 2500 mg. per day) as well as the other well known liver supps and a sesamin product to protect your liver and keep it functioning properly. But to your question, I have used test/primo together and this combo did not have much affect if any at all on my cholesterol levels. In fact it was during that time I had a great cholesterol test result (but I was also using the supp's mentioned). Bottom line: take VERY good care of your liver and by doing that you also take care of your cholesterol problems too. All the best bro.

Ok... last year I ran a STRONG DAILY dose of Letro with my Winny, Var and Test Prop cycle... 40mgs of Var/day...800mgs/Prop/wk and winny 100mgs/EOD were used.... Long story short...my Dr. flipped out...when I had my blood work done... I had very very low good cholesterol (HDL) 12.... I stopped my cycle... except the test...and tried to avoid an all out crash... I have been OFF for 5 months now and I am about to start back in a week... I have decided to never do Var again as I have learned it has a huge impact of Cholesterol levels as well as winny... Obviously test does too... but I am willing to accept that risk.... as I am sure my levels are back to normal... but I am getting blood work this week to tell for sure... My proposed cycle is 12 week...nothing extreme... Test Enth. 500mgs/week Primo. 700mgs/week While taking Nolvadex instead of Letro...because Letro was always said to have stopped my estrogen so much that it killed my cholesterol levels.... What are your thoughts on this cycle and the impact on my cholesterol.... it is a light cycle to test the waters and see how my cholsterol responds.... Will the NOLVADEX be roguh on my HDL/LDL levels? THOUGHTS? Thank You!

Also my goal for this cycle is to just lean out... so I will only be eating 2500 calories per day and doing seriosu cardio... the compounds I chose to use will help spare some muscle while I cut some BF....

 

[NJstacked]

Hey bro. IMO the effect on cholesterol is indirect and really due to liver malfunction (which is due to the AAS used). The ones you used last year are known to be particularly toxic to your liver. I would suggest going really heavy with r-ala ( I use upwards of 2500 mg. per day) as well as the other well known liver supps and a sesamin product to protect your liver and keep it functioning properly. But to your question, I have used test/primo together and this combo did not have much affect if any at all on my cholesterol levels. In fact it was during that time I had a great cholesterol test result (but I was also using the supp's mentioned). Bottom line: take VERY good care of your liver and by doing that you also take care of your cholesterol problems too. All the best bro.

Great advice... I did not talk about the supplements I will be taking but R-ALA is on my list... as well... Any thoughts on the Nolvadex? I agree the Liver was stressed with the Var and Letro... as well as winny.... 2500 migs of R-ALA seems like alot is this an ok dose to take?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Letro causes lower cholesterol, HDL in particular, because of oestrogen suppression. Tamoxifen should improve blood lipids.

 

[NJstacked]

Letro causes lower cholesterol, HDL in particular, because of oestrogen suppression. Tamoxifen should improve blood lipids.

Macro thanks for the response... How much will the Nolva supress my estrogren? Thanks Buddy!

 

[40butpumpin]

Great advice... I did not talk about the supplements I will be taking but R-ALA is on my list... as well... Any thoughts on the Nolvadex? I agree the Liver was stressed with the Var and Letro... as well as winny.... 2500 migs of R-ALA seems like alot is this an ok dose to take?

It works well for me, I cannot imagine that anything but good will come from a big daily intake of r-ala... spread out though in 3 or 4 doses at least, is best.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro thanks for the response... How much will the Nolva supress my estrogren? Thanks Buddy!

it wont.

Nolva is a SERM
selective estrogen receptor modulator (modifier)

basically it has a stronger affinity for the estrogen receptor than estrogen itself, in some tissues its an agonist (acts like estrogen) in other its an antagonist (binds but no activity) (this is almost entirely due to receptor isoform and ratio).

your estrogen levels will remain high, though most of its activity will be "supplanted" by the tamoxifen.

 

[Triple J]

your primary problem was with the 17aa compounds ... if you avoid those you will be in much better shape ... the letro when dosed properly will not kill your hdl to nearly the same degree as winny, var, etc