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My cutting cycle! Couple GH questions...

lrg&inCHARGE

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I'm starting a cycle for straight bf cutting, not looking to gain any size (but wouldn't mind a few pounds of lean muscle ;) ) I'm 26 years old, 6'1, 240 pouinds, 21%bf

GH- 2iu/day for first 2 weeks, 3iu/day next 2 weeks, 4iu/day next 4 weeks and up to 6iu/day (depending on sides) for next 12 weeks.

Winstrol- 50mg ED for 7 weeks.

T3- starting at 25mcg tapering up to 50mcg first 2 weeks, 50mcg for next week and tapering down slowly for next 2 weeks.

I have enough GH to last me for the first few months but I was just wondering if there is any problems with switching to a different kind of GH halfway through because I'm not 100% that I can get the same one for my next few kits.

Also would it be bennifitial for me to add in 400-500mg's of Test through the first few months even though it's a strict cutting cycle? I've gotten conflicting information from all the reading I've been doing.​
 
lrg&inCHARGE said:
I'm starting a cycle for straight bf cutting, not looking to gain any size (but wouldn't mind a few pounds of lean muscle ;) ) I'm 26 years old, 6'1, 240 pouinds, 21%bf

GH- 2iu/day for first 2 weeks, 3iu/day next 2 weeks, 4iu/day next 4 weeks and up to 6iu/day (depending on sides) for next 12 weeks.

Winstrol- 50mg ED for 7 weeks.

T3- starting at 25mcg tapering up to 50mcg first 2 weeks, 50mcg for next week and tapering down slowly for next 2 weeks.

I have enough GH to last me for the first few months but I was just wondering if there is any problems with switching to a different kind of GH halfway through because I'm not 100% that I can get the same one for my next few kits.

Also would it be bennifitial for me to add in 400-500mg's of Test through the first few months even though it's a strict cutting cycle? I've gotten conflicting information from all the reading I've been doing.​


Im loving your ideas here.....What is your plan for PCT....

Personally, I think your being a little too ambitious with the ramping up of the GH....Also, I dont think it matters if you switch as long as its still the 191 AA Chain, but not positive....

T3--I would ramp up a little slower and stay on for about 5-6 weeks and ramp back down very slowly......12.5mcg for a few days, then 25mcg for a week, then 37.5 for a week, then 50 for a week or so, then back down the same way you went up.....

I wouldn't mind seeing you add TEST-E at about 350-500/wk for 10-12 weeks....if you eat clean and have arimidex, aromasin---shouldnt carry too much water or add very much fat at all....it may help with leaning you out too.....
 
Ok, stretching out the T3 for a bit longer sounds like a good idea, but not longer than 6 weeks right?

Do you think I should just start at 3IU/day and keep that for a month and then go to 4IU/day and hold that for a month or two? some people say going to 6IU's + is just a waste of GH and others say you need it, the idea I've gotten is that 4IU's/day is optimal for a cutting cycle like this?

I really need someone that is positive that switching the kind of GH I use halfway through will not have any effect... I'm spending big bucks on this cycle and I don't want it to be a waste :)

thanks for the response WillBHuge I appreciate it!
 
I agree with adding test at around 400mg with Aromasin. I wouldn't waste the GH by taking 2iu/day. Start ay 4iu and stay there. You've got a lot fat to lose, no offense, just an observation. Stay on T3 for 6 weeks at 50mcg. You don't have to ramp up, just down. Come down to 25 and then 12.5mcg.
Also, you have no fat burners there. Adding Thermorexin or Cardio Breeze with Levorex will reduce your cutting time by a few weeks and you'll train better.
And DON'T EAT GARBAGE. Really this is so important and most guy blow right by it thinking they can eat the same because the drugs will take care of it. WRONG. Keep those calories at 2500 a day.
 
ok, i'm changing my GH to 4IU/day for 5-6 months. I read that you should ramp up because you don't want to shock your thyroid, but if it's useless I'd like to do it they way you just described. I will be using fat burners, I just didn't mention them.

I really need to know if switching kinds of GH mid cycle is ok? that's my main concern.

My diet/cardio will be SOLID... I'm on a mission.

thanks Ulter
 
Ulter said:
I agree with adding test at around 400mg with Aromasin. I wouldn't waste the GH by taking 2iu/day. Start ay 4iu and stay there. You've got a lot fat to lose, no offense, just an observation. Stay on T3 for 6 weeks at 50mcg. You don't have to ramp up, just down. Come down to 25 and then 12.5mcg.
Also, you have no fat burners there. Adding Thermorexin or Cardio Breeze with Levorex will reduce your cutting time by a few weeks and you'll train better.
And DON'T EAT GARBAGE. Really this is so important and most guy blow right by it thinking they can eat the same because the drugs will take care of it. WRONG. Keep those calories at 2500 a day.


Irk, You got lucky here....ULTER is a man that knows.....You should take notes.....and add some thermorexin/Glucorell......

The only thing I would personally question (and I'm nobody compared to Ulter), but would prefer to start at 2iu for at least a week or two, then go to 3iu for the same, then to 4----(I'm a chicken and would want to feel the sides coming on, instead of possibly getting slammed w/ 4iu day1.....)

Besides that---you have heard from an expert.....

Good Luck...


ULTER: Thanks for the info...didnt know that you didn't have to ramp up on Cytomel........One other thing, in your opinion---when starting with 4iu----would you split that up into 2 injects????? when??? 5-8am and 2-4pm???? Also, I suppose you are an advocate of running GH ED too eh??????


Thanks ULTER>>>
 
How long does it usually take around for you to feel the sides of GH if your taking too much? will upping doses a week at a time be sufficient?
 
lrg&inCHARGE said:
How long does it usually take around for you to feel the sides of GH if your taking too much? will upping doses a week at a time be sufficient?

Some don't get them....Some get carpal tunnel really bad....ya know some joint pain and extreme tiredness/lethargic.....

I've heard some ramp up like I originally stated and like you stated in the first post, I;ve heard of mixing in double the Bac water to dilute it a little more....

I'd like to hear Ulters opinion still...I'll try waiting for that....

Good Luck bro...
 
just got back! the humatrope is 5mg's but it says to put in 5ml of the solution, do the slin pins have the numbers so i can get exactly 4IU's out of this bottle? is the solution it comes with good enough to last 4 days or should i grab the bac water? (heard it lasts longer with this?) sorry for all the newb questions but there's so much conflicting information when you search for em (i've been reading for weeks) i'd rather ask the questions myself.
 
lrg&inCHARGE said:
just got back! the humatrope is 5mg's but it says to put in 5ml of the solution, do the slin pins have the numbers so i can get exactly 4IU's out of this bottle? is the solution it comes with good enough to last 4 days or should i grab the bac water? (heard it lasts longer with this?) sorry for all the newb questions but there's so much conflicting information when you search for em (i've been reading for weeks) i'd rather ask the questions myself.


Hi again, I'm surprised that they say to put in 5ml of solution--thats a LOT!!!! Anyways, 5mgs=roughly 15iu's......if you add 5ml----then when you draw into the slin pins---the 50 mark would be 1.5iu and 100 mark (full draw) would be 3iu.....I dont think they want you to mix 5ml---did it say to use a 5ml syringe for solution and you got confused here.....?????

At any rate, here is a great post on another forum that will help you with whatever ya need:

So you now have a vial HGH in the form of lyophilized powder. The amount of this powder should be indicated on the vial somewhere. It will either be stated in Units (IU's) or in Milligrams (mg). If it is stated in milligrams, the conversion is most commonly stated as 1mg = ~3IU's (its really more precisely 1mg=2.7IU). We will use this 1mg = 3IU's for our guide since this is the standard most commonly referenced by manufacturers.

What we need to do with this lyophilized powder is add either some Bacteriostatic water (BW), Sterile Water, or even liquid vitamin B12 to reconstitute it and make it ready to inject.

What we choose to reconstitute it with should depend on how rapidly we use the GH. Bacteriostatic water is basically sterile water with 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol added, and this Alcohol keeps anything from growing in the water, thus making it safe for injection for the longest amount of time, up to three weeks. If the amount of GH in our vial is enough to last for a few weeks at our desired daily dosage, BW is the wisest choice. For the common use for bodybuilding (2-5 IU's a day) and the more commonly used vial size (10 IU's), it isn't really as critical which of the above listed dilutents are used......the vial will be used up long before bacteria or anything begins to grow in our reconstituted HGH. It is really personal preference outside of the considerations listed above.

RECONSTITUTING

1.) Take a alcohol swab and swab the stopper of both your HGH vial and the vial of the dilutent (BW, sterile water, B12).

2.) Take a 3cc syringe with a 23 or 25 gauge needle (1" or 1.5") and draw up and amount of your preferred dilutent. The amount isn't critical, other than making sure you know exactly how much you have used. The best rule of thumb is choose an amount that will make measuring the final product easy

example- 1ml(cc) per 10 IU vial of HGH would mean each 10 mark on a U100 slin syringe would equal 1 IU of HGH

**humatrope***- 1ml(cc) per 15iu vial of HGH would mean each 10 mark on a U100/U50 slin syringe would eqaul 1.5iu

2ml(cc) added to a 10 IU vial of HGH would mean that the 20 mark on a U100 syringe would equal 1 IU of HGH

3ml(cc) added to a 10 IU vial of HGH would mean that the 30 mark on a U100 syringe would equal 1 IU of HGH

3.) Take this syringe with the dilutent and push it into the vial of lyophilized powder, angling so that the needle touches the side of the vial, and avoiding shooting the dilutent directly on the lyophilized powder. Make it run slowly down the side of the vial (don't let it forcefully rush in).

4.) After all of the dilutent has been added to the HGH vial, gentling swirl (do NOT agitate or violently shake the vial) until the lyophilized powder has dissolved and you are left with a clear liquid. The HGH is now ready for use. Store your now reconstituted HGH in the refrigerator. If you used BW to reconstitute it will be good for three weeks. If you used sterile water, it will be good for about 5 days.

MEASURING

After you have successfully reconstituted your HGH, now you need to know how to measure the desired amount out for injection. You will want to use a U100 insulin syringe to draw out and inject your HGH.

Here is the way to figure out how much to draw out. Since you know the amount of IU's in your HGH vial, and you also know how much water you have diluted it with, we just divide this out as follows:

You will need to know the following to be successful -

1ml = 1cc = 100 IU's

So we take our number of IU's of HGH from the label of the dry lyophilized powder (most commonly 10 IU's for all of us Jintropin users), and we divide that into the amount of dilutent we used.

example- We used 1cc(ml) of water. We have a 10 IU vial of HGH.
From our formula above we know that 1cc = 100 IU's, so we have 100 IU's of water.
We now divide the 100 IU's (the amount of our water) by 10 IU's (the amount of our HGH)

100 IU / 10 IU = 10

This 10 will perfectly correspond with the markings on a U100 insulin syringe. In our example every 10 mark on our syringe will equal 1 IU of HGH. Want to draw out 2 IU's of GH? ....draw out to the 20 mark on the syringe.

This is about all there is to it. So to recap, just keep straight:

1.) How much actual HGH you are dealing with (read from the vial)
2.) How much water (dilutent) you are using to add to the actual HGH.
3.) Divide the amount of water in units by the amount of GH in units.
4.) This result will equal the measurement on your U100 Insulin syringe per unit of GH.
5.) multiply the number you get it step 4 by how many units you want to inject. This is the number to draw to on your syringe.
 
haha i think they just supplied 5ml's and i just assumed you would use it and got confused because that IS ALOT... glad i made sure

i'm printing out this post and glueing it to my wall
 
lrg&inCHARGE said:
haha i think they just supplied 5ml's and i just assumed you would use it and got confused because that IS ALOT... glad i made sure

i'm printing out this post and glueing it to my wall


There ya go....So you put in either 1mL (normal) or 2mL (will dilute it a little)


If you put in 1mL then the 10 mark on your slin pin will be 1.5iu; 20 mark will be 3iu; 30 mark will be 4.5iu; etc...etc....

If you put in 2mL then the 20 mark is your 1.5iu; 40 mark will be 3iu; 60 mark will be 4.5iu; etc...etc......

Good Luck....make sure you take your supps; like R-ALA (Glucorell R which includes Biotin)
 
i think i'm gonna start at 3IU/day then bump it up to 4IU/day after a week... I'm pretty sure I can handle that amount without any MAJOR sides. thanks for the help, if anyone has anything else to add I would really appreciate the help...

training/diet/supplements

anything bout the gear i'm using... personal acheivments with simaliar stacks. THANKS!
 
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