My bro needs help/ Winny-Dbol

[jdog9304]

What up- ive been here for a while and I know what i am talking about when i post. Check this out-My boy who is 195lbs and 6' tall has done 1 previous cycle consisting of 50mg winnys. He called me and said"yo i just picked up Dbol", right then i was like oh fuck. He doesnt know what it means to treat your body right. Aside from doing winny orals with only milk thistle and drinking 3 times per week heavily, he doesnt know what anti-estrogens are for. I tried to tell him if you do dbol(not more than 30mgs/day) by itself you run a large change of killing your liver (because of the drinking and the orals) and you can get bitch tits, plus probbaly lose all your gains.
To all you good bros-JC,Huck,Mustang, Quad, and fellow bros please post replys about what he should do and why or why not to use dbol only and then cut up with winny orals only. he said i cant use pins, "i pass out". please help

 

[granby140]

First of all both winny and dbol are 17aa orals which affect the liver greatly. He would be risking his health just doing that not to mention even thinking about drinking while on a cycle like that.

 

[jdog9304]

Noone else has any input? come on guys

 

[jdog9304]

bump

 

[Citruscide]

I don't think that a steroid novice needs more than 15-20 mg of Dianabol per day since this dose is sufficient to achieve the results a beginner can benefit from over a period of 8-10 weeks.

If you are looking primarily for strength gains, you can add in winny or ox... but if you want to increase body mass... the injectibles are the best ticket -- sust or enth at around 250-400 a week and OR deca at 200mg a week.

Because DBOL high conversion rate into estrogen it complicates the body's ability to breakdown fat... proviron or nolvadex will help this process.

If you keep the dosages under or at 20mg a day, you won't really see any sides, they are in fact, rare. Dbol will cause, even at doses of around 10mg a day, an increase in liver values... Dbol quickly increases the body weight due to high water retention, a high blood pressure and a faster heartbeat can occur (Dbol enters the blood stream within 1-3 hours of taking it... with a half life of 3-4.5 hours).

Dbol strongly converts to estrogen so it can cause gyno ... nolva/proviron... good choices.... it can also speed up any genetic predisposal to hair loss...

If you ask me what he should do, with not doing shots of deca or test... sheesh... maybe anavar? But he won't put the same kind of size on with a non-injectible.

C-ditty

 

[genarr3]

Here's a good thread on liver toxicity
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150401

 

[jdog9304]

thanks guys, hopefully he will see the light