My 2nd Cycle!

[DiamondCutCows]

My 2nd Cycle! LONG CYCLE!!

I REALLY want to try one of those ultra long cycles. I'll tell you what I have and what I plan to run.

My first was 500mg Test E & Dbol for 4 weeks. I started at 211 and 14-15%, Im now at 220 11%. Cycle went great, got up to 233. Couldnt breathe well, so I cut.

I ordered:

60 mls of Test E 200mg/ml
40 mls of EQ 300mg/ml
100 tabs BD Dbol 10mg/tab

I want to run:
Weeks 1-5 30mg/day Dbol
Weeks 1-24 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-24 500mg EQ

Got shitloads of Nolva/HCG/Clomid
Diet is on the money (4100cals to start, plan to go up to 5000 if necc)
35/45/20 split on the diet.

Training is Powerbuilder style.

First 6 weeks will be 4 days/week

Bench Day/Squat Day/Deadlift Day/Arms Day

Will work on heavy lifts "Westside style" and work the appropriate assistance muscles on the given day. ie, delts on bench day...

Will go to 5x5 after the first 6 weeks.

I think the long cycle will give me extra time to adapt to being up around 235-250.

Ideas?? Opinions??

 

[Goldprospector]

My opinion for what it is worth would be to cut the test dose in 1/2 and run the EQ @ 300...I don't like going with super high amounts...and to me, those doses are high...others may not think so. Another option would be to split the cycle, run it as listed for 10 to 12 weeks and then finish the cycle with 250 mg test EW to solidify the gains that you have already made.
Also, I don't know if you have used EQ before, but i ran EQ @425mg EW for 12 weeks and I had the worst recovery time and laziness as any other AAs I have ever been on including Deca.
BTW, one of my best cycles was 22 weeks of Test Cyp @ 200 mg per week.
One a second cycle, 1/2 of those amounts and the proper diet will yeild outstanding results. I just don't think 1 gram of gear per week is a necessity until after you have reached your Genetic limit.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

My opinion for what it is worth would be to cut the test dose in 1/2 and run the EQ @ 300...I don't like going with super high amounts...and to me, those doses are high...others may not think so. Another option would be to split the cycle, run it as listed for 10 to 12 weeks and then finish the cycle with 250 mg test EW to solidify the gains that you have already made.
Also, I don't know if you have used EQ before, but i ran EQ @425mg EW for 12 weeks and I had the worst recovery time and laziness as any other AAs I have ever been on including Deca.
BTW, one of my best cycles was 22 weeks of Test Cyp @ 200 mg per week.
One a second cycle, 1/2 of those amounts and the proper diet will yeild outstanding results. I just don't think 1 gram of gear per week is a necessity until after you have reached your Genetic limit.

Thanks for the words. I've been wondering about this genetic potential thing. I was always very skinny, but since lifting I can get heavy easily. Its weird.

 

[Goldprospector]

A lot of people say not to use AAS until you have reached your GL...But I think that is Bogus crap. You can use them to reach your linit faster...and the basic idea is that whenever you do reach the GL, then you can maintain it through the proper diet rest and training, but if you want to exceed it then you must rely on the sauce...and the bigger you get, the more sauce is need to achieve it and maintain it... but I garuntee that you dont need high amounts until you have reached your Genetic limit...But I guess the hardest question of all is, HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHEN WE HAVE REACHED OUR GENETIC LIMIT?!! LOL
I guess it is personal thing...As long as I can grow on Test @ 250 and Deca @ 300, then I don't see the need to increase. Hope I make sense.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

A lot of people say not to use AAS until you have reached your GL...But I think that is Bogus crap. You can use them to reach your linit faster...and the basic idea is that whenever you do reach the GL, then you can maintain it through the proper diet rest and training, but if you want to exceed it then you must rely on the sauce...and the bigger you get, the more sauce is need to achieve it and maintain it... but I garuntee that you dont need high amounts until you have reached your Genetic limit...But I guess the hardest question of all is, HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHEN WE HAVE REACHED OUR GENETIC LIMIT?!! LOL
I guess it is personal thing...As long as I can grow on Test @ 250 and Deca @ 300, then I don't see the need to increase. Hope I make sense.

I hear that bor. What about all the "EQ isnt effective under 400mg/wk" responses out there.

 

[slat1]

I like ten week cycles... HCG at week 5 and 10. Clomid when the esters clear. I always have nolva on hand too.
That said I did a cycle similar to that last summer:
1 - 10 test ent 500ew
1 - 10 EQ 400 ew
*I am 237 and grew off that amount!!!
I like the results. I am not a big fan of bdol due to the water retention. If I was to use it I would use it for the first 3 weeks before the test ent is loaded up.

Good Luck

 

[DiamondCutCows]

bump up from the bottom for the after work crew

 

[Goldprospector]

Look up some of Latimer's post on long cycles...You'll get a ton of info from them. You may could even ask him some questions...He is Top notych and is a firm believer in longer cycles

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Look up some of Latimer's post on long cycles...You'll get a ton of info from them. You may could even ask him some questions...He is Top notych and is a firm believer in longer cycles

Thanks GP! I will pm him...