Muscle milk before bed time. *yeah yeah supplement board whatever.

[SOLID]

I posted it over there but I know how none of you meat heads visit that board. So I'm going to post it here and I think it will help alot of bro's out with answers and good eats.

My question is:
Would it be a good option used instead of protein+ Udo's oil or Flax before bed? It sure tastes a whole lot better. There is alot of fat in it- MCT's. My concern is the high amount of Saturated fats. Now what is the diference between MCT's and Flax? If I can remember I think that MCT are more readily used for energy than other fats. So I would think that if you take it before bed and don't use those MCT's for fuel or energy then they will be stored. But why would Flax be any diferent? I love the taste of this shit. The Caseins and Caseinates in it are perfect for the slow absorbtion- mixed with the fat it's just what were looking for...to stay in an anabolic enviornment throughout the night. It would be a great treat before hittin the hay. Anyone have comments or opionions?

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Yeah I think the Muscle Milk would be great before bed. Just get your flax and fish oils in at other times too. And maybe mix some cottage cheese in it for extra protien.

 

[SOLID]

found this doing a search along with alot of other muscle milk threads this shit seems to be given the thumbs up by everyone. STOKED! Macdbol- don't do it.


MCT oil (medium-chain triglycerides) is a fat made from fractionated coconut oil. It is fully saturated but has been found to possibly improve your cholesterol balance rather than what you might expect from a saturated fat. MCT oil is a good choice for adding a fatty texture to foods and for low-temperature frying. It does not supply any positive nutritional benefits but no negative ones either. It is, like butter, fairly neutral.


To summarize, try to follow these fat guidelines when planning your diet:

Always avoid products containing hydrogenated oil or high-temperature processed oil. Use only cold-processed, raw, unrefined oils selecting high oleic oils whenever possible. If you cook at high temperatures, such as in frying, use butter, tropical fats, or high oleic oils.

For all other food purposes, use monounsaturated oils (such as olive oil or high oleic oils) or MCTs

 

[bayoumike]

I freaking love muscle milk

I think I am addicted to that shit it is the best freaking protien, I drink like 4-5 shakes a day I think they are putting something in there to make it addictive "really" I can't go one day with out it. besides I can't drink any other protien because it will kill my stomach. I got acid- flux and muscle milk is the only one i can drink.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

MCTs are derived from coconut oil or palm oil. As it is easily converted to energy, it has health benefits for those who cannot digest conventional fats, and for applications with premature babies.

In bb'ing, it may be useful for those on ketogenic diets to increase energy, or for "hardgainer" types that need extra calories in their diet.

Coconut oil is purported to have antiseptic and thyroid-stimulating properties, whether this carries over to an MCT formulation, I don't know.

There is debate on its effects on blood cholesterol, some studies say that even in situations where coconut oil is the sole source of fat it does not raise or lower it. Others say that due to its thryoid-stimulating properties, it does indeed lower cholesterol.

Its major component is lauric acid -- also found in breast milk. Lauric acid is not common in the American diet. By volume, it is about 9% omega-6 linoleic acid (also found as a minor component in flaxseed; abundant in the American diet).

Personally, I think unless you just need extra calories, or on a low keto diet, that MCTs probably don't hold a candle to flax (which, at least, converts to some usable omega-3 fats ((commonly lacking in the american diet))), and is useful for constipation, possibly skin-clearing and joint lubrication.

It certainly doesn't hold a candle to fish oil, which is about 30% DHA/EPA by content and a is a very usable source of omega-3s (due to the long chain structure that is lacked in flaxseed). Without a doubt, fish oil has leaning properties, increases brain function, joint lubrication and a host of other properties. I'd spend my money on fish oil if you want to ingest fat.

As for staying anabolic (actually anti-catabolic as casein proteins don't really promote an anabolic environment as much as an anti-catabolic environment) throughout the night, forget it.

Your body has a response curve to protein which rapidly diminishes after a few hours. Pulse feeding (ingestion of protein every few hours) is ideal. You might as well use a faster-acting protein (with a little fat) before bed that is more useable during the window that the body responds to protein.

*whew* enough typing for now...

 

[SOLID]

good post TM. Yeah I agree with you on Fish oil - Omega 3's being most important to supplement- and most lacking in people's diets of today. I do supplement with Fish Oil capsules - 6-12g/ED. So I'm getting my good fats. I was just thinking that this sounded ideal for my last meal of the day. Since it's got protein + fat it will be slower absorbing- perfect for night. Keep me sane and give me something to look forward to every night- because my diet is so strict. I'm just wondering about the whole MCT are used for energy issue- if that's so then they might not be best taken before bed. But again I havent seen any facts on why Flax, or Olive oil might be a better choice to add to your before bed shake.

 

[thelegacy]

Stupid question----------where can i get muscle milk?

 

[SOLID]

www.dpsnutrition.com

I found this on the fat facts homepage by dr. Sears it's talking about what the best formulas for baby's and why one is prefered over the other...this is relating with fats:

MCT's are a factory-made fat. They do not occur in nature, and they provide no essential fatty acids essential for a baby's growing brain and body. MCT's can be used as an energy supplement to boost weight gain in infants growing slowly. Yet, they should not be a baby's main fat source unless advised by your doctor. Pregestamil (a formula with 50% MCT's in it) should not be given to healthy babies with no proven fat malabsorption disorders, or to infants with impaired liver function.

I know were not baby's but this article is talking about what fats are best for a growing body...and brain. So far DHA. Omega 3, and Flax have proven to be superior. Does someone have any information as to why Cytosport would use MCT's for the source of fat in there Protein Powder? Or as to why MCT oils would be prefered in a bodybuilders diet? Please enlighten me.



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[SOLID]

bump

 

[LittleHelp]

How many servings are in one of those 2.5lb jugs and how much protein per serving?

 

[mvmaxx]

This belongs on the supplement board

 

[soflaguy]

Muscle Milk is for babies

Muscle Milk sucks

I'll take my CFM Whey/Cassein/Barlean's Omega Twin Oil over "Muscle Milk" anyday. Sure muscle milk tastes great, but the shit made me fat and it sucks IMO. Half the fat is saturated fat. And for the money, there isn't much protein either.

I would categorize this product as a weight-gainer, not a lean-mass gainer. I don't think it would work in a low-carb diet as well. Just a good-tasting, over-hyped, worthless product for wannabe's.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

I know were not baby's but this article is talking about what fats are best for a growing body...and brain. So far DHA. Omega 3, and Flax have proven to be superior. Does someone have any information as to why Cytosport would use MCT's for the source of fat in there Protein Powder? Or as to why MCT oils would be prefered in a bodybuilders diet? Please enlighten me.



SOLID

A) Cheaper
B) Will not go rancid (has a long shelf life)

They would not be preferred for a bodybuider's diet -- unless, they just want cheap, extra "empty" calories, or they are on a ketogenic diet and need a fast-acting energy source.

Consume fish oil and flax in place of the MCTs. Fish oil preferentially as it a much better product.

 

[SOLID]

Re: Muscle Milk is for babies

Muscle Milk sucks

I'll take my CFM Whey/Cassein/Barlean's Omega Twin Oil over "Muscle Milk" anyday. Sure muscle milk tastes great, but the shit made me fat and it sucks IMO. Half the fat is saturated fat. And for the money, there isn't much protein either.

I would categorize this product as a weight-gainer, not a lean-mass gainer. I don't think it would work in a low-carb diet as well. Just a good-tasting, over-hyped, worthless product for wannabe's.

Mvmaxx- LOL!

soflaguy- great post...that's what I was thinking- damn it's a shame cause the shit tastes so good.

TM- great post as well - I will take your guys advice. Thanks.

 

[drveejay11]

This belongs on the supplement board

LOL......LOL....LOL

Solid, to anser your question regarding "why they would make Muscle Milk with MCT vs Fish Oil and/ or FLAX Oil would have to be due to :

1) Taste (Flax and Fish have a unappealing taste that may not make Muscle Milk so yummy
2) The "stability" of these types of fats vs MCT's

I don't think MCT's will hurt you at night though bro. You know what else, if those damn Vars would kick in you could use Big Mac's as your source of fats and still get lean!!!

 

[SOLID]

LOL......LOL....LOL

Solid, to anser your question regarding "why they would make Muscle Milk with MCT vs Fish Oil and/ or FLAX Oil would have to be due to :

1) Taste (Flax and Fish have a unappealing taste that may not make Muscle Milk so yummy
2) The "stability" of these types of fats vs MCT's

I don't think MCT's will hurt you at night though bro. You know what else, if those damn Vars would kick in you could use Big Mac's as your source of fats and still get lean!!!

DAMMIT YOU NEVER ONLINE WHEN I AM! CHECK YOUR PM.

oh and I like the taste of Udo's in my Protein shakes. It's just that muscle milk is really like having a milk shake so I thought it would be good for a change or treat. When I'm not so strict with my diet and dropping BF% I will give it a try. I just think that Udo's oil is a superior source of Fat than MCT. So for know it's Udo's and fish Oil caps for my main source of Fat.

check your pm punk.

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[THE BOUNCER]

it's funny, you guys all talk about how good it taste. i don't really like the taste for some reason. i will take a optimum whey shake anyday before i take muscle milk. plus muscle milk gives me bad gas. lol

 

[SOLID]

really BOUNCER? You prefer the taste of Optimum over MM? Have you ever tried Optimum Pro Complex? Does it taste similar to the regular Optimum? Cause I've only tried Pro Complex - and I wasn't thrilled. Hoping it's better cause that's shit's cheap.

 

[chemwalla]

fish oil

fish oil is better than flax?. is this like de-vitaminized cod liver oil?. will it give me a glossy coat and lots of pep? .

are there any places that have it in bulk like bottles of flax?. i'm sure the markup is quite high given you see the same thing in flax caps vs the bottles.

or did i just answer my own question, ie vet supply?.