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Mixing 17aa orals...

Vageta

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I'm curious if anyone has any kind of imperative evidence that suggests that combining different 17aa orals will have a worse effect than the same dosage of only one. Meaning would say 25mg of Dbol combined with 25mg of Ox be any worse on the liver than 50mg of Dbol or Ox alone?

Basically I am in love with Ox and can't see running any future cycles without it. However I would love to give Dbol a shot but I don't want to use Ox only for the 2nd half of the cycle. I'm wondering if it'd be possible to get the benefit of both of these drugs by taking half of their relative doses but using them at the same time.

I'm thinking that something on the order of 25mg of Dbol a day combined with a smaller dosage of superior Ox (BTG/SPA) at 25mg a day would give the results I want at no extra risk to the liver.

Also assuming one did a cycle like this with another short acting injectable like Test suspension or Fina, how would clomid therapy be done? Usually you see clomid being taken 3 weeks after your last shot of a long ester test, but since all of these drugs have very short half lives you'd be taking clomid the next day after your last dose. Would it be good to taper off of the orals while beginning clomid? For instance the day you begin the clomid perhaps only take 5-10mg of Dbol in the morning to keep serum T-levels high while the clomid works it's magic in the evening? Then after a week or 2 completely stop the Dbol and continue clomid for at least another week?

I'm just taking a shot in the dark here but I'm wondering if others have had any experiences in this matter.
 
Vageta I think we think very alike.


I was wondering the EXACT same thing about 17aa orals. I'd love to hear one of our mad scientists comment on this.


As for the clomid, yeah, for short acting esters/compounds you start dbol pretty much a day or two after.. and tapering works GREAT (and is recommended) when using short acting compounds. Tapering got a bad wrap for bieng used on long esters when it is pointless.

I would always taper dbol down the last week..





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I depends on the 17aa... 100mg of winstrol isn't as toxic as 100mg of halotestin.

Personally i have run winny, drol, and anavar at the same time. and my liver values are still normal
 
This is a very good post, and think its hits on the same idea that the sticky post about "newbies" using fina did. There's a lot fear based on bad logic concerning things like this. Some guys freak out if you mention using d-bol with winstrol at a dose lighter than one drug at a heavier dose. Using 25mg Winny & 25mg Dbol is for our intents and purposes is the probably the same(damage to the liver)as 50mg of either drug by itself.

I'am about to try this combo as part of my next cutting cycle to get the best of both along with some tren and maybe a very light dose of deca (two other drugs people are terrified of stacking).

BigRugbyMan-where you using that combo while playing rugby, the reason I ask is because I going to start playing rugby in the fall to get in better shape for soccer and am looking for the optimal cycle for both.
 
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Der ZielFerhRohr ist ja mit det G36 kompatibel. Wir fahren jeden wochenende zu Reperbahn, helga und Ich. Die mädchen mit die schöne büsen und kartoffel-perverzionen...

Bier bitte. Ja. Noch einmal.

this post has so many good Q's and no A's...
 
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