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Mission Accomplished

Wodin, what is your point here? The mission was accomplished, we defeated Saddam faster than anyone imagined we would. As W said then, the job was not finished, it may be even harder rebuilding Iraq. That is exactly where we are now. Why do you have a problem with success for America?
 
why did pres cliton make it legal for ppl to take pics of the coffins?

he was the one who changes that around i think in 2000
 
tiger88 said:
why did pres cliton make it legal for ppl to take pics of the coffins?

he was the one who changes that around i think in 2000

If you mean made illegal to take the pics that would be Bush Sr back in 91 I believe?
 
Longhorn85 said:
Wodin, what is your point here? The mission was accomplished, we defeated Saddam faster than anyone imagined we would. As W said then, the job was not finished, it may be even harder rebuilding Iraq. That is exactly where we are now. Why do you have a problem with success for America?


the mission WAS what again???? i get so confused with ALL THE BULL SHIT FLYING AROUND FROM DUBYA...(WOW MEDIA BRAIN WASHING REALY DOES WORK )...dude!!! youd have to be realy realy...you know what ,never mind ...your on the winning team man good job way to go ... i sure wish i had the insite to see what was realy going on , like all you die hard dumbasses...oh yeah my friend called from iraq ,we were in the army together ...he was in tears ......he said hi ....
 
Longhorn85 said:
Wodin, what is your point here? The mission was accomplished, we defeated Saddam faster than anyone imagined we would. As W said then, the job was not finished, it may be even harder rebuilding Iraq. That is exactly where we are now. Why do you have a problem with success for America?

our men are still dying, i don't think that spells mission accomplished.
 
jerkbox said:
our men are still dying, i don't think that spells mission accomplished.

Our men, sadly, are going to continue to die for a while. We took over a hostile country and are trying to completely reverse its direction. It's not going to be easy and men are going to die.
 
more soldiers died on a training mission for d-day in ONE day than the entire number of soldiers who have died in more than a year fighting the war in iraq.

it's a good thing people, like so many of you, weren't around during WWII, because you would have been screaming to pull out, and we would all be speaking german.
 
poink, that was for a different cause, Hitler was a threat to the entire world, and invading eurpe didnt cause a increase in terrorism. plus hitler hadn;t managed to build any WMD at that stage

Saddam was contained, the UN was inspecting, terrorist activity is now universally recognised as increasing, and no WMD have been found

it dumbfounds me Blair actually suppoed the war when according to that book dude, Bush gave him the option of pulling out
 
danielson said:
poink, that was for a different cause, Hitler was a threat to the entire world, and invading eurpe didnt cause a increase in terrorism. plus hitler hadn;t managed to build any WMD at that stage

Saddam was contained, the UN was inspecting, terrorist activity is now universally recognised as increasing, and no WMD have been found

it dumbfounds me Blair actually suppoed the war when according to that book dude, Bush gave him the option of pulling out
I wouldn't put any stock in what Dick Clark wrote in a book whose sole purpose was to slander Bush and attempt to ruin his campaign.
 
p0ink said:
more soldiers died on a training mission for d-day in ONE day than the entire number of soldiers who have died in more than a year fighting the war in iraq.

it's a good thing people, like so many of you, weren't around during WWII, because you would have been screaming to pull out, and we would all be speaking german.


i think the point is, our idiot president is telling us that this war is over and that everything is ok, meanwhile more troops continue to die.....it's far from over.
 
a different cause? really? i didnt know that terrorism wasnt a threat to the entire world. i thought terrorism was at an all time 30 year lows since bush took office.

seriously people, i really would start backing off the 'there is no WMD argument'... you are going to have egg all over you face. im having a suspicion that a WMD discovery will be released in the near future. here's my reasons for saying so

1. a lot of democrats have been backing off the 'there were no WMD's' argument.

2. several media analysts, washington insiders, and even members of clinton's administration have said they believe they were found, but the bush administration is holding off on releasing them until the election.

3. they stopped a chemical attack in jordan (they were using VX...saddam was the only one who had VX in the middle east), yet the story didnt make any real traction in the US, and it wouldnt surprise me if that was by design.

we'll see, though.
 
jerkbox said:
i think the point is, our idiot president is telling us that this war is over and that everything is ok, meanwhile more troops continue to die.....it's far from over.
As long as some idiot in Iraq still has a gun there runs a chance that troops will die. Short of a Iraqi genocide there will be American casualties regardless. Look at the numbers, for everyone 1 soldier that dies a huge deal is made, but we are killing many more Iraqis. It's unreasonable to expect that no one will die while stationed over there during the rebuilding process.
 
jerkbox said:
i think the point is, our idiot president is telling us that this war is over and that everything is ok, meanwhile more troops continue to die.....it's far from over.

he never said the war is over, he simply declared an end to major hostilities. iraq is considered part of the war on terror, and the DoD has said this war will most likely be 10+ years.

in no other war have we sustained so little casualties as we did in iraq, not to mention we took over an entire country and toppled its regime. this is one of the greatest military successes in history.

while i'm not passing off any soldier dying as some sort of miniscule and unimportant thing, because it isnt...they sacrificed it all, a handful of deaths each day does not mean we are in another vietnam or some other sort of 'quagmire'. this fallujah uprising is just a last ditch effort by a group of people who are on their last legs to stand on.
 
HE may have had something to gain by slandering Bush, I can;t see why Blair would be a good target, and if he was correct how wlese could have he gone about whistleblowing on the admin?

How much of a threat Iraq had in terms of terrorist links is debatable, and how much of a threat they and their WMD were to others is also. i dont thin it was a firm enough reason to go to war

as for no WMD...maybe they have been saving them and Osama up. Lets be honest though...if they were present in such high numbers they would have been found quickly. UN and US weapons inspectors have stated that there most likely aren't any i the country, whether they had been moved or not who knows

but the premise or the war in the first place was Al-queada (which then got disproved and moved onto a huge proliferation of terrosist in the country and more being recruited due to the war as well as upgrading London to 'next target'), then it was WMD (none found, and even if some are found they are going to need to be something of the magnitutde to excuse the fact nothing has been found in the country for almost a year, when the French-german plan could have acheieved the same by now) and if any have been moved I hope our spy satellites were turned on, and finally it became about removing saddam (and now we have filled the voi with many religious crackpots who have seized power and are probably more dangerous than saddam who hasn't as yet attacked the US or affiliated to my knowledge with anyone who has)
 
crew9 said:
Our men, sadly, are going to continue to die for a while. We took over a hostile country and are trying to completely reverse its direction. It's not going to be easy and men are going to die.
Well if after a year the people of Iraq are still against the U.S troops being there, shouldn't something tell you they don't WANT direction to be reversed, and we should just gett he fuck out and let the people of that country figure it's own shit out?
 
Burning_Inside said:
Well if after a year the people of Iraq are still against the U.S troops being there, shouldn't something tell you they don't WANT direction to be reversed, and we should just gett he fuck out and let the people of that country figure it's own shit out?

that's a great idea, if you are shooting for iraq to be turned into a hotbed for muslim extreemism and the setup of another dictator.

cutting and running away from your problems never solves anything.
 
Burning_Inside said:
Well if after a year the people of Iraq are still against the U.S troops being there, shouldn't something tell you they don't WANT direction to be reversed, and we should just gett he fuck out and let the people of that country figure it's own shit out?

Ok it's a year later. How long should it take for us to do this.



BTW I'm not a republican or a bush supporter
 
Just a few question regarding this, if you permit?
Do you consider the Iraq opposition as terrorists or freedomfighters?
Do you think Saddam Hussein had anything to to with sep 11, and if yes, are there any proof to this?
Is the attack on Afghanistan an act of vengeance, or an act of defence, if the latter, how so?
If unhindered, do you consider the countries in question to be a serious threat to USA, if yes, please elaborate?
And finally, does these questions provoke you in any matter?
Thank you.
- Ringperm
 
ringperm said:
Just a few question regarding this, if you permit?
1. Do you consider the Iraq opposition as terrorists or freedomfighters?

2. Do you think Saddam Hussein had anything to to with sep 11, and if yes, are there any proof to this?

3. Is the attack on Afghanistan an act of vengeance, or an act of defence, if the latter, how so?

4. If unhindered, do you consider the countries in question to be a serious threat to USA, if yes, please elaborate?
Thank you.- Ringperm

1. the iraqi opposition should not be considered 'freedom fighters' by any stretch of the imagination. they seek to setup their own islamofascist dictatorship and control their people by the use of force, ignorance and superstition. they are not fighting to somehow 'free' the iraqi people in any sense of the word.

2. yes, there is proof of saddam hussein having direct connection to terrorism. i have posted numerous threads about them on EF, and even for all of you who consider them to be conspiracy theories from the right, which they aren't, may i remind you of him paying off the families of suicide bombers if they killed innocent israelis.

3. it is an act of defense because afghanistan was not only a hot bed for terrorism, but because the state itself sponsored terrorist training camps and also refused to hand over those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

4. any country that harbors, trains, finances, and supports those bent on killing innocent people are a threat to any civilized country. what's there to elaborate on?
 
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