Missile Defense

[anthrax]

What do you think of Bush's Missile Defense system ?

With the new risks (as seen with 9/11) Is this huge expense worth it ?

What are the risks of a nuke war with China, Russia or North Korea compared to suicide attacks within the US ?

 

[EnderJE]

What do you think of Bush's Missile Defense system ?

With the new risks (as seen with 9/11) Is this huge expense worth it ?

What are the risks of a nuke war with China, Russia or North Korea compared to suicide attacks within the US ?

I think that the missile defense system is a waste of money. I don't believe that the next attack (or the one after that) will be through missiles. I'm more inclined to believe that a person with a briefcase will detonate it somewhere in the US or a suicide attack.

That said, I think that its stupid that Canada backed out of it due to political pressures. I think that Canada should take a good hard look at how its funding its own military and create something that works in conjunction with the US and not something that works against it.

 

[gotmilk]

missile defense will be worth the costs once they can actually make the service work.

As for suicide attacks in the US..it will happen anyhow. We can't stop illegal immigrants coming thru Mexico, how the hell will we stop Mohammed Mohammed from entering too?

Eventually, we will take a proactive stance and start killing people off before they have a chance to take any actions against us.

 

[CFZB]

Violence and threats of Violence dont Bring Peace.

this is Proven and Common sense.

( Love those words ....Common sense)

So Without Getting Into debates and BS arguments....

Its Just another Nail In the Coffin.

 

[The Wenis]

ridiculous waste of money

 

[75th]

Violence and threats of Violence dont Bring Peace.

this is Proven and Common sense.

( Love those words ....Common sense)

So Without Getting Into debates and BS arguments....

Its Just another Nail In the Coffin.

Um, how again is this missile defense system a form of violence or a threat of violence?

Any smart person would think the only folks being offended would be, well, incoming missiles.

 

[EnderJE]

Any smart person would think the only folks being offended would be, well, incoming missiles.

Not necessarily. If you put up missile defense, other countries *may* feel threatened because now the US has a strike capability with a defensive measure against the other country's strike capability.

 

[anthrax]

if you want peace prepare for war

 

[75th]

Not necessarily. If you put up missile defense, other countries *may* feel threatened because now the US has a strike capability with a defensive measure against the other country's strike capability.

Missiles aren't the only form of attack that the US and either countries utilize.

 

[EnderJE]

Missiles aren't the only form of attack that the US and either countries utilize.

Absolutely. As I said in a previous post, I would think that the next "attack" would be from a briefcase and a suicidal man rather then a missle.

However, saying that, I'm just saying that some *may* feel threatened with the US having a shield from a missile attack.

 

[anthrax]

BTW, there are numerous prominent specialists on space and space technology analysts who criticized the project (on a technology point of view)

 

[EnderJE]

BTW, there are numerous prominent specialists on space and space technology analysts who criticized the project (on a technology point of view)

That it won't work? I don't think that its a secret there, but there is the "trickle down" affect from technology advancement that could help consumers in the near future.

 

[perkele]

if you want peace prepare for war

The peace will come when everyone is dead.

 

[EnderJE]

Perk, who is that chicka?

 

[perkele]

Perk, who is that chicka?

I don't know. I found the pic few days ago and it was already right size for avatar pic so I thought I'd use it.

 

[CFZB]

Um, how again is this missile defense system a form of violence or a threat of violence?

Any smart person would think the only folks being offended would be, well, incoming missiles.

I Dont expect you To Know What i am talking about.

But It doesnt matter.

We will Keep Going This way and see where we End up.

So far so Good Right.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

It will create a gap in the mutually asured destruction philosophy and could spawn the creation of a missle that works around said system.
I say it's a waste of money.
Last attack on the US was made possible with 30 cent box cutters.

 

[anthrax]

That it won't work? I don't think that its a secret there, but there is the "trickle down" affect from technology advancement that could help consumers in the near future.

They may help some high tech and defense companies make huge benefits in the next few years but it's the US citizens who will have to pay for it !

 

[Razorguns]

Think about it.

If some rogue country wants to launch powerful missiles against the US -- we're sitting ducks.

And with more and more countries getting nukes and atom bombs -- our military strength is practically useless.

In 20 years or so -- we could be 5 hours away from under complete control of some evil foreign country with far-reaching high-tech atom bombs they developed w/o us knowing.

So when Syria launches some city-destroying atom bombs from the coast of Africa, meaning we'll have no idea who sent it -- there will be a lot of lot of hippie liberals feeling like total losers then. Of course *then* they'll be screaming for vengeance and blood. Too little, too late buckos.

Liberal anti-bush Americnas are STILL in denial at just how evil the rest of the world is. They all think Al Qaeda is gone, and Bin Laden is dead, and time to watch Friends.

 

[CFZB]

Think about it.

If some rogue country wants to launch powerful missiles against the US -- we're sitting ducks.

And with more and more countries getting nukes and atom bombs -- our military strength is practically useless.

In 20 years or so -- we could be 5 hours away from under complete control of some evil foreign country with far-reaching high-tech atom bombs they developed w/o us knowing.

So when Syria launches some city-destroying atom bombs from the coast of Africa, meaning we'll have no idea who sent it -- there will be a lot of lot of hippie liberals feeling like total losers then. Of course *then* they'll be screaming for vengeance and blood. Too little, too late buckos.

Liberal anti-bush Americnas are STILL in denial at just how evil the rest of the world is. They all think Al Qaeda is gone, and Bin Laden is dead, and time to watch Friends.

WOW.


Its Worse That I thought.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

The possiblity of a rouge missle attack agianst US or NATO strategic points has been around for longer then this fear mongering.
An ICBM is fucking huge, plus the money, technology, etc...
If a nuke goes on US soil, it will be a portable rig, like what ENDER is saying.

 

[EnderJE]

Think about it.

If some rogue country wants to launch powerful missiles against the US -- we're sitting ducks.

And with more and more countries getting nukes and atom bombs -- our military strength is practically useless.

In 20 years or so -- we could be 5 hours away from under complete control of some evil foreign country with far-reaching high-tech atom bombs they developed w/o us knowing.

So when Syria launches some city-destroying atom bombs from the coast of Africa, meaning we'll have no idea who sent it -- there will be a lot of lot of hippie liberals feeling like total losers then. Of course *then* they'll be screaming for vengeance and blood. Too little, too late buckos.

Liberal anti-bush Americnas are STILL in denial at just how evil the rest of the world is. They all think Al Qaeda is gone, and Bin Laden is dead, and time to watch Friends.

Okay, now you think about it.

How likely do you feel that a missle attack is against US soil rather then the briefcase attack? One, requires alot of planning, manpower, and alot of teamwork to get it together.

The other just requires a nutjob with one briefcase.

I am more inclined to believe that the latter is the more possible attack and the former (missles) are just for posturing and asking for more money (ie Iran, Syria).

I am more inclined to believe that any nutjob in power would realize that launching a missle attack (rather then convential forces) would create a domino effect that could spell the end of the world. I have no doubt that these nutjobs have no issue sending other to die, but are scared to do the job themselves.

 

[75th]

It will create a gap in the mutually asured destruction philosophy and could spawn the creation of a missle that works around said system.
I say it's a waste of money.
Last attack on the US was made possible with 30 cent box cutters.

Russia already created one, but they have been working on it for a few moons now.

 

[Razorguns]

Okay, now you think about it.

How likely do you feel that a missle attack is against US soil rather then the briefcase attack? One, requires alot of planning, manpower, and alot of teamwork to get it together.

The other just requires a nutjob with one briefcase.

I am more inclined to believe that the latter is the more possible attack and the former (missles) are just for posturing and asking for more money (ie Iran, Syria).

I am more inclined to believe that any nutjob in power would realize that launching a missle attack (rather then convential forces) would create a domino effect that could spell the end of the world. I have no doubt that these nutjobs have no issue sending other to die, but are scared to do the job themselves.

I have yet seen any evidence of anyone (including the us) being able to create a city-levelling bomb -- in a briefcase.

The Missile Defense is just one element of a lot of precautions being taken at all levels to fight off another 9/11.

If a missle penetrates the US and levels a city -- NO COUNTRY in this world is safe. *including* Canada.

 

[EnderJE]

I have yet seen any evidence of anyone (including the us) being able to create a city-levelling bomb -- in a briefcase.

The Missile Defense is just one element of a lot of precautions being taken at all levels to fight off another 9/11.

If a missle penetrates the US and levels a city -- NO COUNTRY in this world is safe. *including* Canada.

You don't have to level the city to be effective. Just do something drastic to it...poison the water, etc.

I have yet to see any evidence that anyone would launch a nuclear strike in the recent climate. Sure, everyone talks a good game, but I haven't seen one do in the recent years given the rammifcations.

Wait a sec. Who said that Canada was safe?

 

[Razorguns]

I have yet to see any evidence that anyone would launch a nuclear strike in the recent climate.

They also laughed when anyone mentioned you could take down the twin towers with some hijacked planes. It was filed in the "paranoia" "you must be a Bush cronie" column.

It could be 10 years away, maybe 20 -- maybe even 70. But these defense systems can't be constructed overnight either. So once must start planning and building them right now to one day be able to stop the slaughter of 5 million people. It'll be worth every penny one day if it's ever utilized.

And if we stop a missile -- find out it's from Syria -- and blow them out of the water -- everyone wins!

 

[EnderJE]

They also laughed when anyone mentioned you could take down the twin towers with some hijacked planes. It was filed in the "paranoia" "you must be a Bush cronie" column.

It could be 10 years away, maybe 20 -- maybe even 70. But these defense systems can't be constructed overnight either. So once must start planning and building them right now to one day be able to stop the slaughter of 5 million people. It'll be worth every penny one day if it's ever utilized.

And if we stop a missile -- find out it's from Syria -- and blow them out of the water -- everyone wins!

touche on the come back...its true that only a few thought that an attack on US soil was possible...

lol..on the Syria comment...they get their virgins...and you get your peace of mind...win-win...

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Russia already created one, but they have been working on it for a few moons now.

I heard about that, but how to design a nuclear delivery system to circumvent
a missle defence that doesn't exsist yet?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Woohoo........fighting monsters that may materialize some day while spawning monsters that are hatching today.

 

[75th]

I heard about that, but how to design a nuclear delivery system to circumvent
a missle defence that doesn't exsist yet?

Basically, they created a missile that can change directions, weave around, etc at a seconds notice.

 

[BrothaBill]

Multiple warheads each with their own trajectory released from the missile to defeat the system known as MIRV. Multiple Independen Reentry Vehicles.
The Start II treaty was sposed to limit nuclear arsenals to less 3500 strategic nukes, the missile disrupts the calculations for number of nukes needed to maintain the MAD doctrine. They view us as an offensive nation and consider us their main enemy in the world, we are the only ones who have used a nuke.
I prefer the missile shield though, if they are going to use my tax dollars for something, make it defense spending and building prisons.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Any rational person...outside of the US.....would look at it as an offensive weapon.


Europe could get away with calling it defensive.