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McDonalds is being sued again!

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How is it that McDonalds or any other company is responsible for someone who by their own free will eat their food which everyone knows is full of fat etc, eat so much of it they get fat, even though they are teenagers (lazy ones at that) and the courts actually entertain these ideas.

As we can see you, me, corporations are no longer free, the lawyers control the legal system and these plaintiffs (class action participants) do not get rich, only the lawyers do. This is such a joke it is not even funny! Pretty soon you will be able to sue because you slept on a pillow that was not user friendly that you bought from Walmart of your own free will and claim that it prevented you from a good nights sleep. So you take Walmart, the clerk, the cashier, the pillow distributor, maker, etc to court and screw up another company and peoples lives as a result and all you get is a few bucks while the lawyers get millions!

Wake up America, Time to die.




Fat Foods: Back in Court
Novel legal theories revive the case against McDonald's — and spur other big food firms to slim down their menus
By LAURA BRADFORD/BOSTON



ILLUSTRATION FOR TIME BY BARRY BLITT


Sunday, Aug. 03, 2003
When a group of obese teenagers sued McDonald's, claiming that it made them fat, the widely publicized case drew howls of derision. But the burger giant and its competitors aren't laughing anymore. When Federal Judge Robert Sweet threw out the teenagers' case last February, reasoning that customers knew the dangers of eating Big Macs and supersize fries, he went on — in less noted parts of his ruling — to set the stage for future lawsuits. He noted that "Chicken McNuggets, rather than being merely chicken fried in a pan, are a McFrankenstein creation of various elements not utilized by the home cook," including ground chicken skin, hydrogenated oils and dimethylpolysiloxane, an antifoaming agent, and he questioned whether customers understood the risks of eating McDonald's chicken over regular chicken.

Attorneys for the teens, grateful for the judge's guidance, filed a revised lawsuit alleging that McDonald's engaged in deceptive advertising, in part because it failed to adequately disclose additives and processing methods that make its food less healthful. The suit is back in front of Judge Sweet, in New York City, for another round. (McDonald's says its McNuggets contain the same ingredients found in grocery-store chicken and says the second suit is as baseless as the first.)

Whether the case ultimately succeeds, many more are sure to follow. And unlike the original lawsuit, the new ones may have staying power. Trial lawyers have been busy meeting with public-health experts, legislators and nutritionists, and have refined their arsenal against both fast-food and packaged-food firms. Some arguments are speculative, such as the allegation that certain companies manipulated addictive properties in their junk food, as some tobacco companies did with their products. Lawyers claim, for example, that some fast-food restaurants deliberately raise the temperature at which they cook their fries to increase the amount of fat absorbed. Terrie Dort, president of the National Council of Chain Restaurants, calls such allegations "completely absurd and without scientific basis."

But two more tangible legal theories could pose a serious threat to the food firms. One is based on deceptive advertising, the other on aggressive marketing to children. Plaintiffs' lawyers are looking at school-board contracts that give big soda companies exclusive placement in school vending machines in return for cash payments. School boards from Seattle to New York City are reconsidering their partnerships with soda vendors. Thanks in part to the publicity generated by the initial lawsuit against McDonald's, "there has been a shift in perception," said Marion Nestle, chair of the Department of Nutrition and Food Studies at New York University, "from seeing obesity only as a personal or family responsibility to seeing it as a societal problem with societal solutions."

This trend has food companies scrambling to put on a healthier face. Kraft — the maker of Kraft Macaroni & Cheese, Oreo cookies and Oscar Mayer meats — recently promised to eliminate in-school marketing to children, introduce smaller portions and develop more nutritious products. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has just required new disclosures of trans-fatty acids, a major cause of heart disease, on all packaged foods. McDonald's is working to reduce the use of trans fats for cooking its fries and has introduced a new premium line of salads nationally as well as leaner all-white-meat versions of its Chicken McNuggets in New York and Ohio. Even before the McDonald's lawsuit, Coca-Cola announced it was moving away from exclusive vending-machine contracts in schools. Coke also bought new brands like Odwalla, an organic-fresh-juice company, to add to its healthful offerings. Last month Applebee's International said it will start adding co-branded Weight Watchers products to its menu. Such tactics may help companies connect with more health-conscious consumers, but they also serve to protect against future lawsuits. "Obesity and liability are a place to watch over the next five to seven years," says David Adelman, a consumer-food analyst at Morgan Stanley who has also covered tobacco. "It would be a mistake to underestimate the creativity of plaintiffs' lawyers."

Policy changes among food marketers have done little to dampen the zeal of those lawyers, who worked for decades to get similar concessions from tobacco companies. "The changes are just part of the food companies' image campaign," says Samuel Hirsch of New York City, one of the lawyers behind the McDonald's suit. "Without accountability and legal standards, as soon as attention is focused elsewhere, they will pull back."

John Banzhaf, a longtime foe of tobacco and a professor of legal activism at George Washington University Law School, is among those leading the charge against firms he regards as junk-food peddlers. The idea of suing these companies came to him after a journalist called his attention to a 2001 Surgeon General's report noting that illness associated with obesity had cost the country $117 billion in the previous year alone. This figure was close to the average annual costs associated with smoking--$150 billion, according to the Surgeon General — and got Banzhaf wondering whether food companies were vulnerable to the same kind of lawsuits that have plagued Big Tobacco. "A fast-food company like McDonald's may not be responsible for the entire obesity epidemic," he says, "but let's say they're 5% responsible. Five percent of $117 billion is still an enormous amount of money." Walt Riker, a spokesman for McDonald's, responds, "That's absurd. People interested in the real issues are talking about the totality of an individual's lifestyle. McDonald's will do its part, but the lawsuits are publicity gimmicks."
 
I think this is just as ridiculous as you do. Its not that I hate fat people, I just don't have respect for most (most b/c some cannot help it). I know how hard I have to work to NOT be FAT, and I see these fat shits eating all that fast food that looks sooooooooooooooo good. The US is sick...I'm curious as to what percentage of americans are obese. I bet its around 50% if not higher.
 
most of the country is fat, lazy, out of shape whiners who think it is not their responsibility to choose to eat healthy!
 
I'm really sick of people who don't take responsibility for their own actions. The only logical way this is McDonald's fault, is if McDonald's tied these teenagers up and stuffed McNuggets down their throats. People who cook at home can make foods just as bad and fattening as a McNugget.
 
There is a solid good point in what the judge has done. ALL COMPANIES should DISCLOSE complete nutrional information (includeing calories from glycerin, alchol, and other hidden cals) as well as additives or preservatives.

Educate the masses.
 
Bullshit! If you buy fast food that is deep fried you are doing it knowing full well that it is not healthy for you. Should every ingredient in every product that you use be put on the label?

How many people know what Ozone is? And I am not talking about the Ozone layer in the atmosphere?

How about the ingredients in plastic such as the tupperware you bought.

Or in the teflon coated pans, or in the aluminum used to package the beer that is consumed.

You buy deep fried potato's there is nothing on this planet that will make them healthy period. You have potato, grease what more do you need to know. Oh, btw, consuming these fries may cause cancer, heart attack, stroke, etc. And oh they will make you fat too!
 
I had McDonalds yesterday for the first time in 3 years. I had 4 mc chickens because there was no other place to eat.....It was fucking crazy inside there. it was like a different world. like some sort of obesity fun land or something. you had gigantic fat she fatties, then you had little kid fatties running around on the play-ground(get fat and fall) I was honestly shocked, I didn’t think it was really like that. The guy that took my order must have been their fucking leader, because it seemed the bigger they were, the higher in rank they were. This dude was at least 350 at 5”10. I was honestly amazed. I saw this huge fat bitch walk in with a walker. She was probably 35 or so, and had to use this walker deal because she was so fat. Then I see this little alien fat shit, probably 10 years old and 180 pounds. I ate 3 of the mcchickens bun-less, and scraped all the shit off. The 4th one I slammed against the wall. I don’t know why, I saw one of the fat bitches tear up when it droped to the floor. I wonder if that pig scraped it off the ground and ate it? I'm not joking a bit BTW. true story
 
They should make McD's have those warnings on their burger wrappers like the ones on cigarette packages.

You can so easily picture a picture of horse legs, pig hooves, and chicken bones being crammed into a meat grinder.
 
I go to McDonalds to pick up chicks.


No sicko, not the fat ones....the ones on the playground.
 
I agree with the lawsuit or parts of it. Look at it this way, people should not be nutrition gurus and have done months of nitrition research to understand Fats and preservatives. If i order a chicken nuggets, i expect chicken nuggets, period. But instead you get chichen with the consistency of a sponge full of preservatives and cooked in all the trans, saturated, hydrogenated polymer oils made man in the last 20 years. They fooled a lot of people. Who would have thought that the fries you bought contain fats that when equal to 1% of your calories, your chances of heart disease just climbed 50%, tell me this is not dangerous? The public needs to be made aware of the crap they are putting out.


BTW: I have always wondered what is it about having burger from Wendys (once in a great while) that made me bloat 5 lbs the next day, despite me drinking about a gallon of water per day. Needelss to say the salt in their food is not like the household table salt, this shit is some toxic time release stay in your system for days kida salt. Talk about deception.

My point is, these companies are using man made chemicalls in their food and people should know. They don't fry their fires in oil, they fry them in polymers.
 
people that don't know that mcdonalds food is extremely unhealthy are stupid.

should mcdonalds be sued because people are incapable of making a smarter and healthier food choice?

i don't think so.
 
But stupid people are at an disadvantage, so do they deserve to die? They may be less aware then most here in regards to food, but still. Unhealthy is a difficult concept for them to fully grasp, as in why is it unhealthy? Is it because it's high in fat? Why yes it is, but the kind of fat used is shit you will never see at the supermarket. They don't cook in olive oil guys.
 
"But stupid people are at an disadvantage, so do they deserve to die? "

survival of the fittest
 
gwl9dta4 said:
But stupid people are at an disadvantage, so do they deserve to die? They may be less aware then most here in regards to food, but still. Unhealthy is a difficult concept for them to fully grasp, as in why is it unhealthy? Is it because it's high in fat? Why yes it is, but the kind of fat used is shit you will never see at the supermarket. They don't cook in olive oil guys.

If someone doesn't realize McDonald's isn't healthy they should move to another planet. People make choices, some choose to eat shitty food and get fat. That isn't anyone's fault but their own.
 
What about Ronald McDonald being shoved down your throat when you were a kid???? Or every fucking Disney movie having some kind of tie-in to fast foods. They fucking start grooming you when your a toddler to eat there shit. Cigarette companies can't advertise to kids...so why should fast food joints be able to...???


just a thought...........
 
it's fine to go to mcdonalds every once in a while. i'll stop for a vanilla cone on occasion.

but don't eat it every day and then sue them for making you fat.

nobody wants to take responsibilty for their actions anymore. they always want to blame others or make excuses..it's pathetic.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
I agree with the lawsuit or parts of it.

The problem with the lawsuit is not what McDonald's is disclosing or not, the problem is that people take absolutely no responsibility for their own actions anymore and this lawsuit just takes the notion that "it's not my fault" to a whole new level.

How many times have you heard people blame their "genes" for being fat? That’s bullshit. With the exception of Native Americans (which I think is less than 1% of the population), all other Americans have the same genes as Europeans, Africans, Asians, etc. Go to any other part of the world and count how many times you see someone who is 300 pounds. You’ll probably see a couple every year and they probably really have some kind of genetic or other medical problem but they are very few. Go to any mall in the US and you’ll see busloads of them.

It's of course never "my fault", it has to be someone else’s fault (McDonalds or my genes or the government or God knows who).

I don’t think anyone should discriminate against obese people and food addiction is as real as any other addiction, but I’m sorry, the responsibility lies on the individual in my book. Period.
 
hellorhih2o said:


The problem with the lawsuit is not what McDonald's is disclosing or not, the problem is that people take absolutely no responsibility for their own actions anymore and this lawsuit just takes the notion that "it's not my fault" to a whole new level.

How many times have you heard people blame their "genes" for being fat? That’s bullshit. With the exception of Native Americans (which I think is less than 1% of the population), all other Americans have the same genes as Europeans, Africans, Asians, etc. Go to any other part of the world and count how many times you see someone who is 300 pounds. You’ll probably see a couple every year and they probably really have some kind of genetic or other medical problem but they are very few. Go to any mall in the US and you’ll see busloads of them.

It's of course never "my fault", it has to be someone else’s fault (McDonalds or my genes or the government or God knows who).

I don’t think anyone should discriminate against obese people and food addiction is as real as any other addiction, but I’m sorry, the responsibility lies on the individual in my book. Period.

Exactly!
 
the lawsuit is bullshit, but im all for full disclosure about what goes into my mouth

there;s no reason not to be....freedom of information. a calorie breakdown may not be necessary but i want to know exaclty what additives, colours, and macronutrients are in my meal. all other food here has that breakdown aside from fast food, and as its a set menu its should be easy to make a average serving measeurement
 
danielson said:
the lawsuit is bullshit, but im all for full disclosure about what goes into my mouth

there;s no reason not to be....freedom of information. a calorie breakdown may not be necessary but i want to know exaclty what additives, colours, and macronutrients are in my meal. all other food here has that breakdown aside from fast food, and as its a set menu its should be easy to make a average serving measeurement

Agree, but if you for some reason don't know what's in your meal, you always have the option NOT TO EAT IT. There are plenty of food options in this country and NO ONE has to starve even if they decide not to eat something they're not 100% sure about. It's your body, you decide.

I think food companies should have to disclose what they sell but I DO NOT think they can be held responsible for what decide to eat or not eat (with or without disclosures)
 
Stupid people are stupid for a reason. Why should I dumb down to their level. Or should we say ignorant as opposed to stupid.

Look at it this way, fat is fat, sugar is sugar, etc. too much of any of it is bad for you period!

So, the lawsuit is bullshit. Why not sue crest or colgate cause if you brush too much you will wear away the enamel on your teeth. They should tell us what the abrasive grit number is and offer grades of grit in the toothpaste with appropriate warnings about too much tooth brushing.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
But stupid people are at an disadvantage, so do they deserve to die? They may be less aware then most here in regards to food, but still. Unhealthy is a difficult concept for them to fully grasp, as in why is it unhealthy? Is it because it's high in fat? Why yes it is, but the kind of fat used is shit you will never see at the supermarket. They don't cook in olive oil guys.

Excellent point. Most of the people on Elite Fitness can't even seem to grasp the concept of what is healthy and what isn't (due to obvious lack of a nutrition background), so how is the average non-fitness/bodybuilding oriented person suppost to know details about hydrogenated oils, glycemic index, insulin response and other such things about their foods. Believe me, I talk to people about these things and the average college student barely understands what a carb is, and think that "low fat"=healthy. The average person is a complete idiot when it comes to nutrition and these corperatoins are taking advantage of them. Even most of this so called "health food" and "diet food" is so unhealthy that I wouldn't feed it to my cat out of concern for the health of my beloved Socks. They either need to clean up their act and stop poisoning unknowing people or be put out of business. I believe in an open market, but not at the expense of the consumer's health due to the consumer not having appropriate information. Saying that these companies should not pay is like saying car companies that knowingly make subquality airbags and break-lines or toy companies that make dangers toys that kill children should be allowed to continue unpunished because the consumer should know better or the consumer deserves to die because of their stupidity.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Saying that these companies should not pay is like saying car companies that knowingly make subquality airbags and break-lines or toy companies that make dangers toys that kill children should be allowed to continue unpunished because the consumer should know better or the consumer deserves to die because of their stupidity.

Not a good comparison at all.
 
hellorhih2o said:


Agree, but if you for some reason don't know what's in your meal, you always have the option NOT TO EAT IT. There are plenty of food options in this country and NO ONE has to starve even if they decide not to eat something they're not 100% sure about. It's your body, you decide.

I think food companies should have to disclose what they sell but I DO NOT think they can be held responsible for what decide to eat or not eat (with or without disclosures)

The problem is that these companies make addictive foods and advertise so heavily that it has become common place to eat these things and people just assume everyone else eats this crap. Thus they do not know better, and these corperations are too blame. There needs to be better regulation. If there can be a law saying I can go to prison for possession of steroids, then they need to make it illegal to manufacture and sell hydrogenated oil, which is clearly more deadly than testosterone.
 
I remember eating 2 big macs and a large order of fries with a chocolate shake when I was like 7. So I am going to sue them because they were the start of my incurable stomach expansion problem.

However, if mcdonalds can come up with some tasty food that you can't tell is low fat and is very comparable to say a big mac and I can eat twice as much for the same caloric intake I will forgo the suit.

Miler lite spearheaded this campaign, and anyone that can come up with shit you can indulge on at twice the normal amounts for the same effect-fat wise and shit-is good in my book.
 
big_bad_buff said:
I had McDonalds yesterday for the first time in 3 years. I had 4 mc chickens because there was no other place to eat.....It was fucking crazy inside there. it was like a different world. like some sort of obesity fun land or something. you had gigantic fat she fatties, then you had little kid fatties running around on the play-ground(get fat and fall) I was honestly shocked, I didn’t think it was really like that. The guy that took my order must have been their fucking leader, because it seemed the bigger they were, the higher in rank they were. This dude was at least 350 at 5”10. I was honestly amazed. I saw this huge fat bitch walk in with a walker. She was probably 35 or so, and had to use this walker deal because she was so fat. Then I see this little alien fat shit, probably 10 years old and 180 pounds. I ate 3 of the mcchickens bun-less, and scraped all the shit off. The 4th one I slammed against the wall. I don’t know why, I saw one of the fat bitches tear up when it droped to the floor. I wonder if that pig scraped it off the ground and ate it? I'm not joking a bit BTW. true story

This post was funny as hell.

I love McDs. Where else can you get two double cheeseburgers, one McChicken, and a diet Coke for four bucks and change? That's what, 1000 calories? For less than $5! Talk about bang for your buck.

For the record, I have no craving or desire to eat fast food or any other kind of food. I just view McDs as a cheap way of getting enough calories to grow.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


The problem is that these companies make addictive foods and advertise so heavily that it has become common place to eat these things and people just assume everyone else eats this crap. Thus they do not know better, and these corperations are too blame. There needs to be better regulation. If there can be a law saying I can go to prison for possession of steroids, then they need to make it illegal to manufacture and sell hydrogenated oil, which is clearly more deadly than testosterone.

I'm definitely not an expert on food addiction but I think the problem is A LOT more complicated than just putting the blame on food companies.

And again, go to any big European city and you've got a McDonald's in every other street corner but you DO WILL NOT find busloads of obese people. Different oil (i.e. not hydrogenated oil) in Europe you think? I seriously doubt that.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


The problem is that these companies make addictive foods and advertise so heavily that it has become common place to eat these things and people just assume everyone else eats this crap. Thus they do not know better, and these corperations are too blame. There needs to be better regulation. If there can be a law saying I can go to prison for possession of steroids, then they need to make it illegal to manufacture and sell hydrogenated oil, which is clearly more deadly than testosterone.

You've got to be kidding. People should be allowed to eat what they want. If they choose to eat bad food and get fat that's there business, but they shouldn't be allowed to sue the company that made the food. I'm sorry but I don't think these foods are addictive. People need to use self control and take responsibility for their actions.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
rsnoble, you prove my point exactally. Even people on elite do not know BASIC nutrition. You just expressed the idea that low fat is healthy. Again, if people who are actually concerned about fitness, and who actually read about it can't even get it right, how can the average person be expected to comprehend what they are eating?

BINGO!
 
rsnoble, you prove my point exactally. Even people on elite do not know BASIC nutrition. You just expressed the idea that low fat is healthy. Again, if people who are actually concerned about fitness, and who actually read about it can't even get it right, how can the average person be expected to comprehend what they are eating?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Responsibility for what actions? Trust me, most fat people do NOT realize they eat bad. Most of them just think they eat too much fat or too many potatoes. Trust me I get asked questions all the time in classes by people trying to loose weight. They have no concept of what they are actually eating and how bad it actually is. It is because it is now considered normal to eat like total shit.

And whose fault is that? McDonald’s?
 
lucidBlue said:


You've got to be kidding. People should be allowed to eat what they want. If they choose to eat bad food and get fat that's there business, but they shouldn't be allowed to sue the company that made the food. I'm sorry but I don't think these foods are addictive. People need to use self control and take responsibility for their actions.

Responsibility for what actions? Trust me, most fat people do NOT realize they eat bad. Most of them just think they eat too much fat or too many potatoes. Trust me I get asked questions all the time in classes by people trying to loose weight. They have no concept of what they are actually eating and how bad it actually is. It is because it is now considered normal to eat like total shit.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Responsibility for what actions? Trust me, most fat people do NOT realize they eat bad. Most of them just think they eat too much fat or too many potatoes. Trust me I get asked questions all the time in classes by people trying to loose weight. They have no concept of what they are actually eating and how bad it actually is. It is because it is now considered normal to eat like total shit.

This lawsuit/thread is about McDonald's... if people don't know that french fries and McNuggets are bad they are completely without a brain. What you proposed in your post would take away my right to eat bad food. If I want to eat bad food I should have that right. Believe me, if I'm frequently eating McDonald's I know I'm going to put some weight on. That's my choice. You're looking for way too much government control.
 
lucid blue, well it could just be that this is a pet peve of mine because I'm a nutrition major and plan on being a dietition after finishing college. So I tend to get a little pissed off about the food we eat in this country.
 
2Thick quote:


You are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the average Amerrican.


so true
the problem is...a nutritional label with ALL ingredients could be handed out and explained at the door...and these people would still claim ignorance and sue.
 
hellorhih2o said:


Agree, but if you for some reason don't know what's in your meal, you always have the option NOT TO EAT IT. There are plenty of food options in this country and NO ONE has to starve even if they decide not to eat something they're not 100% sure about. It's your body, you decide.

I think food companies should have to disclose what they sell but I DO NOT think they can be held responsible for what decide to eat or not eat (with or without disclosures)

also agreed :) thats why i find this so laughable a lawsuit. yes, fatty food can be tasty and addictive but it is a macronutrient we need to survive, it's crazy that a company is being sued because the individual cannot control their eating urges. if they lied about stuff like in new zealand (they said some of their food was low fat and it wasnt) then i could understand

i think a nutritional breakdown on the food will most importantly informthe public just how much meat is in their burgers, what animals make up their burgers (cases in europe about pig and beef proteins being injected into chicken :o) and stop these idiots suing over not being informed enough

maybe they should just force McD's to sell ALA seeing as half their customers will get diabetes anyway :)
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
rsnoble, you prove my point exactally. Even people on elite do not know BASIC nutrition. You just expressed the idea that low fat is healthy. Again, if people who are actually concerned about fitness, and who actually read about it can't even get it right, how can the average person be expected to comprehend what they are eating?

I know theres more to it than that. However im sure no expert on it. I am not a bodybuilder, nor do I have what you'd consider an athletic look. Like i've mentioned before all I do is keep my bench around 225x20 and thats as far as it goes. I hate dieting, I like drinking the holly fuck out of beer, and to tell you the truth I have never considered suing anyone for any of it. If beer wasn't available, id make my own. Then what? Sue myself? Ha ha. What I know on nutrition is very minimumal but I do know enough that if your trying to get a good body your Mcdonalds intake probably should be lowered a good bit. Personally, I don't really like Mcdonalds. I like Wendys a lot better. There burgers are better, and there southwestern salad and chicken blt salads kick ass. BTW-I don't eat salad for the healty aspect(as evidenced in the ingredients of the forementioned)--I eat them because I like the way they taste. My grandad got me into this, a huge german man 6'5" and about 270 when I was a kid. His favorite pastime was eating, and died at the dinner table at 75. He looked at grandma across the table, his eyes got big, and he fell face first into his plate. That's how I wanna go.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
lucid blue, well it could just be that this is a pet peve of mine because I'm a nutrition major and plan on being a dietition after finishing college. So I tend to get a little pissed off about the food we eat in this country.

Finaplix, sorry, but I think you might be overreacting.

Look, food addiction is real. So is alcoholism and so is drug addiction or any other self-destructive behavior. And yes, there ARE individuals and companies that are taking advantage of that self-destructive behavior to make a buck and yes, most people do not know the full story about food, alcohol, drugs etc..

But, that’s not the point IMHO. Anyone who has been to an AA meeting will tell you that one of the first steps in fixing what’s broken is to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for YOUR OWN actions, regardless of what other people, companies or society has “done to you”.

The moment you accept that just about everything you do (like eating) is someone else’s (McDonald’s, the Government) responsibility is the moment when you no longer control own life. Someone else has done something horrible to you and 1) the world should feel sorry for you and 2) someone has to pay for what they’ve done to you.

If this lawsuit succeeds, there’s no end to how far you can take the blame game. I understand that you get upset especially since you’re a nutrition major but neither the Government nor companies can (or should, IMHO) take responsibility for YOUR actions. If you plan on being a dietitian when you’re out of school, I’m sure you won’t start a new client off by encouraging him to find out who’s responsible for how fat he is, I’m sure you’ll try to HELP HIM change his own behavior to become healthier, right? What you’re basically doing is to help him take responsibility for his own actions, regardless of who’s to “blame”.
 
2Thick said:


You are grossly overestimating the intelligence of the average Amerrican.

So true. Case in point: A female coworker of mine recently asked me to actually explain to her the difference between Coke and Diet Coke. (Suprisingly I've recently realized a lot of people don't know. They just think its "yuck, coke with an aftertaste")

She's heard about and was interested in starting on the "Atkins Diet" so she was asking me about foods she can eat/can't eat. I gave her a short explaination about carbohydrates, GI, insulin, etc. You could probably imagine the dumb look on her face.

She then interrupted and asked "So then I just don't eat breads, right? Can I still drink mocha frapuccino's?"

I shook my head and walked away. No use.
 
dballistic said:


So true. Case in point: A female coworker of mine recently asked me to actually explain to her the difference between Coke and Diet Coke. (Suprisingly I've recently realized a lot of people don't know. They just think its "yuck, coke with an aftertaste")

She's heard about and was interested in starting on the "Atkins Diet" so she was asking me about foods she can eat/can't eat. I gave her a short explaination about carbohydrates, GI, insulin, etc. You could probably imagine the dumb look on her face.

She then interrupted and asked "So then I just don't eat breads, right? Can I still drink mocha frapuccino's?"

I shook my head and walked away. No use.

I've had the same problems trying to help coworkers, friends, other students with their diets. That is my point. The average person, even fairly educated one's are totally ignorant about these things. How do they expect to loose weight if they do not even understand concepts such as insulin response and GI?
 
Fat people should be rounded up... branded with a tatoo and sent to concentration camps and worked until they are either skinny or dead.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


I've had the same problems trying to help coworkers, friends, other students with their diets. That is my point. The average person, even fairly educated one's are totally ignorant about these things. How do they expect to loose weight if they do not even understand concepts such as insulin response and GI?

I just wrote up a diet and training program for a friend of mine... it included spreadsheets with approved foods, the reason why she had to eat things at certain times... etc... and she writes back complaining that I have her eating 6 times a day and that she hates green vegetables. I explained to her that she better find some green veggies she likes and get used to eating 5-6 times or you will never achieve the goals that she set for herself. Most people don't even know the difference between a carb or a protein.... let alone the caloric breakdown of meals they are eating. No wonder people are fat. The level of dietary knowledge of the average person is zero.
 
There's more people concerned about which gas station to buy their gas from than they are about the quality and quantity of food they eat.

I say, fuck'em. Good. We look better anyway. We did the research and we use it to our advantage. I've stopped giving advice for free. Why hand it out?
 
Im gonna start drinking so much that I get liver dammage so I can sue some liquor companies and rake in the dough.
 
Some people eat at McDonalds just because is a cheap meal...economical reason could be behind a fat dude/gal...
 
even if all these fat people "know" what is in the food. How many do you think would still eat it. I know how bad it is, I'll have fast food maybe 1 or 2 times a month if i have no other choice. It all comes down to ignorance. Maybe the school sysetms should teach us more about nutrition and less about calculus and physics( however i am good at both, but most people aren't ) and more about health and proper nutrition, because you will use that a lot more in your life( unless you plan to become a scientist, but then you'll will probably know how to eat anyway ).
 
When you bite into a chicken McNugget, you just know something ain't right about the damn thing.

These lawsuits suck a prolapsed rectum.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
I agree with the lawsuit or parts of it. Look at it this way, people should not be nutrition gurus and have done months of nitrition research to understand Fats and preservatives. If i order a chicken nuggets, i expect chicken nuggets, period. But instead you get chichen with the consistency of a sponge full of preservatives and cooked in all the trans, saturated, hydrogenated polymer oils made man in the last 20 years. They fooled a lot of people. Who would have thought that the fries you bought contain fats that when equal to 1% of your calories, your chances of heart disease just climbed 50%, tell me this is not dangerous? The public needs to be made aware of the crap they are putting out.

People have never cared about their food choices, save that it tastes good, and they never will. To say that somehow if you list every known chemical in a product, then the consumers will be informed is ridiculous. McDonald's does provide the nutritional breakdown of their foods, this information is provided at request. How many times do you see people doing this? Never. People will eat like shit, by choice, with full knowledge, and then expect someone else to take the blame for their condition. We are a nation of grown children. "Not me", "Its not my fault".

Get off the preservative hocus-pocus. Your rant shows your lack of scientific knowledge and your brainwashing of "natural" equals good and "man-made" equals bad. Ascorbates are used as preservatives, BHT, BHA, Ethoxyquin are preservatives, and guess what, they are antioxidants. In studies they are shown to PREVENT diseases, due to their antioxidant capacity.

Trans-fatty acids are also naturally occuring in dairy, meats and even breast milk. Are we going to sue mommy when we get heart disease at 58 years of age?

BTW: I have always wondered what is it about having burger from Wendys (once in a great while) that made me bloat 5 lbs the next day, despite me drinking about a gallon of water per day. Needelss to say the salt in their food is not like the household table salt, this shit is some toxic time release stay in your system for days kida salt. Talk about deception.

LOL. Toxic time released salt!?!?! Sure. Maybe Dave Thomas was a novice chemist before a fast food mogul. Get real.

My point is, these companies are using man made chemicalls in their food and people should know. They don't fry their fires in oil, they fry them in polymers.

Your point is that you don't have a clue. These companies use the same chemicals that are used worldwide in the food industry, from store bought products to restaurants. They use the same chemicals that Healthy Choice uses in their products.

The reality is that these companies have huge pockets that can be pilfered by every lawyer in the country and we are a nation of victims. People tend to eat fast food meals infrequently, and eat fatty foods at home, like steak and potatoes, pot roast, meatloaf, eggs and bacon, etc.

What are we going to do when the obesity rate does not drop after these companies list every known chemical they use? We will sue them for some other crazy half-baked correlation that we can dream up. They have money, while mom, dad and grandma don't.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
But stupid people are at an disadvantage, so do they deserve to die? They may be less aware then most here in regards to food, but still. Unhealthy is a difficult concept for them to fully grasp, as in why is it unhealthy? Is it because it's high in fat? Why yes it is, but the kind of fat used is shit you will never see at the supermarket. They don't cook in olive oil guys.

How are they dying any differently than the rest of us? Are stupid people dying at McDonalds after eating a Happy Meal or are they dying after decades of shitty lifestyles like everyone else in the US?

Please tell us, Mr Wizard, what are they frying their food in? Motor oil?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


The problem is that these companies make addictive foods and advertise so heavily that it has become common place to eat these things and people just assume everyone else eats this crap. Thus they do not know better, and these corperations are too blame. There needs to be better regulation. If there can be a law saying I can go to prison for possession of steroids, then they need to make it illegal to manufacture and sell hydrogenated oil, which is clearly more deadly than testosterone.

Ahhh...finally the use of the magic term "addictive". "I can't help not eating three Double Whoppers a day. I'm 'addicted'."

The corporations are to blame for producing a food that is no worse than the majority of restaurant and home cooked meals? Tell us what is the difference between steak and baked potatoe, with all the trimmings, and a Big Mac combo?

Please get off of the hydrogenated oil crap. People have eaten this substance for decades and I don't see people dropping dead with a tub of margerine in their hands. They are dying from a total dietary and exercise negligence; it is ridiculous to claim one item as the cause of all heart disease. But this is the common reaction from the ignorant masses.

Kooky Cookie Lawsuit
Friday, May 16, 2003
By Steven Milloy

Many are laughing at the just-withdrawn lawsuit to ban Oreo cookies (search) as yet another example of frivolous litigation. But news reports have completely missed the lawsuit's fundamental deficiency — its basis in junk science.

California lawyer Stephen Joseph alleged that Oreos are harmful and should be banned because they're made with substances called trans fatty acids or "trans fats."

After withdrawing the suit, Joseph told The Associated Press, "It's no longer necessary to continue the lawsuit because at the time the lawsuit was filed nobody knew about trans fat. Now everybody knows about trans fat."

Hardly.

Trans fats are vegetable oils altered to be firm at room temperature. They're found in vegetable shortening and foods cooked or made with shortening such as pastries, crackers and fried foods.

Despite almost 40 years of commercial use, the National Academy of Sciences' (search) Institute of Medicine concluded in a 2002 report that trans fats are too dangerous to be consumed in any amount. The IOM alleged trans fats raise blood levels of low-density lipoprotein — the supposedly "bad" cholesterol — and thereby increase the risk of coronary heart disease.

Because trans fats are unavoidable in ordinary diets, the implications of the IOM report are pretty radical. Margarine, for instance, would be unsafe in any quantity — never mind that nutrition nannies have spent the last 30 years weaning us off of butter in favor of this supposedly "heart-healthy" substitute.

The IOM's conclusions, however, don't have much scientific substance.

First, there is no credible evidence that trans fats increase heart disease risk in humans. None of eight human population studies come close to linking trans fats with heart disease. No doubt this is why the IOM barely even acknowledged the studies' existence in its report and didn't rely on them in the slightest in forming its conclusions.

Instead, the IOM relied on studies reporting that trans fat consumption temporarily increased cholesterol levels. This is a far cry, though, from scientifically linking trans fats with heart disease. It's not evident that elevated cholesterol necessarily leads to heart disease and death, particularly in otherwise healthy people.

In the much-vaunted Framingham Heart Study (search) — where 5,200 men and women in Framingham, Mass., have been extensively studied in over 1,000 published reports since 1948 — high cholesterol wasn't associated with increased heart disease risk after age 47.

After age 47, in fact, those whose cholesterol went down had the highest risk of a heart attack.

"For each 1 mg/dl drop of cholesterol there was an 11 percent increase in coronary and total mortality," reported the study's authors.

Harvard University researcher Walter Willett acknowledged in a recent New York Times Magazine article that though our cholesterol levels have been falling, the incidence of heart disease hasn't.

"That is very disconcerting. It suggests that something else bad is happening," Willett commented.

Yes, well, whatever "bad" is happening, there certainly is no cause to believe that it's trans fats. Willett's acknowledgment that the cholesterol-heart disease link is more myth than fact is particularly noteworthy, since he is largely responsible for fabricating the trans fat myth.

Willett has co-authored many, if not most of the studies claiming to link trans fats with heart-disease risk. Despite his claims, these studies invariably fail to report a reliable association between trans fat consumption and heart disease incidence.

Conveniently, Willett also co-authors review articles of the trans fat studies — including his own — in which he reinforces his dubious conclusions.

Whatever happened to "independent" scientific review?

My favorite Willett study that fails to link trans fats with heart disease — one involving 90,000 nurses followed for 20 years — also fails to link total fat intake, saturated fat intake, animal fat intake and cholesterol intake with heart disease.

This is no surprise. As pointed out in the New York Times Magazine article, the simplistic notion that dietary fat is bad was a political and business judgment, not a scientific one.

Despite ambiguous science, a Senate committee led by Sen. George McGovern issued a 1977 report advising Americans to consume less fat to avoid "killer diseases," then supposedly sweeping the country. The politically dutiful National Institutes of Health soon joined the anti-fat bandwagon, a move that spawned the low-fat food industry — a boon to consumer choice but not necessarily one with a beneficial health impact.

So the attack on Oreos has quite an infamous pedigree — from the hysterical McGovern to the junk science-fueled Walter Willett to a money-grubbing personal injury lawyer. Joseph says on his Web site, after all, "We are looking for corporate sponsors... we need all the financial backing that we can get."

Now you know about trans fats.

Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the author of Junk Science Judo: Self-defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).
 
atlantabiolab said:


People have never cared about their food choices, save that it tastes good, and they never will. To say that somehow if you list every known chemical in a product, then the consumers will be informed is ridiculous. McDonald's does provide the nutritional breakdown of their foods, this information is provided at request. How many times do you see people doing this? Never. People will eat like shit, by choice, with full knowledge, and then expect someone else to take the blame for their condition. We are a nation of grown children. "Not me", "Its not my fault".

Get off the preservative hocus-pocus. Your rant shows your lack of scientific knowledge and your brainwashing of "natural" equals good and "man-made" equals bad. Ascorbates are used as preservatives, BHT, BHA, Ethoxyquin are preservatives, and guess what, they are antioxidants. In studies they are shown to PREVENT diseases, due to their antioxidant capacity.

Trans-fatty acids are also naturally occuring in dairy, meats and even breast milk. Are we going to sue mommy when we get heart disease at 58 years of age?



LOL. Toxic time released salt!?!?! Sure. Maybe Dave Thomas was a novice chemist before a fast food mogul. Get real.



Your point is that you don't have a clue. These companies use the same chemicals that are used worldwide in the food industry, from store bought products to restaurants. They use the same chemicals that Healthy Choice uses in their products.

The reality is that these companies have huge pockets that can be pilfered by every lawyer in the country and we are a nation of victims. People tend to eat fast food meals infrequently, and eat fatty foods at home, like steak and potatoes, pot roast, meatloaf, eggs and bacon, etc.

What are we going to do when the obesity rate does not drop after these companies list every known chemical they use? We will sue them for some other crazy half-baked correlation that we can dream up. They have money, while mom, dad and grandma don't.


Well i for one am glad that a genius full of scientific knowledge came along and saved the thread. I see the error of my ways in thinking. How dare I.:rolleyes:
 
ffknight84 said:
Maybe the school sysetms should teach us more about nutrition and less about calculus and physics( however i am good at both, but most people aren't ) and more about health and proper nutrition, because you will use that a lot more in your life( unless you plan to become a scientist, but then you'll will probably know how to eat anyway ).


it is the school system that has brainwashed everyone into thinking that eating 8-12 serving of carbs is healthy
but no more than 3 serving of protien and very little fat

i think the food pyramid (remember that?) recomends 80% of callories should come from carbs

look at rsnoble post, even after finaplix points out that he is wrong about low fat diet, he (rsnoble) can't fathom that (brain washed) and says "yeah i know there is more to it than that" it is rediculuos (sp) that he can't and maybe never will understand that it is his belief and fear of fat that makes him so fat and at risk of diabetes

if anyone should be sued it is the usda for spreading the propaganda that low fat/high carb diets are healthy

maybe a lawsuit is the only way to get them to stop
 
BonerBoy said:



it is the school system that has brainwashed everyone into thinking that eating 8-12 serving of carbs is healthy
but no more than 3 serving of protien and very little fat

i think the food pyramid (remember that?) recomends 80% of callories should come from carbs

look at rsnoble post, even after finaplix points out that he is wrong about low fat diet, he (rsnoble) can't fathom that (brain washed) and says "yeah i know there is more to it than that" it is rediculuos (sp) that he can't and maybe never will understand that it is his belief and fear of fat that makes him so fat and at risk of diabetes

if anyone should be sued it is the usda for spreading the propaganda that low fat/high carb diets are healthy

maybe a lawsuit is the only way to get them to stop


I am not sure if the food pyramid is to blame. When you look at the food pyramid and what people eat, you will see that virtually no one follows the food pyramid. That's one of the primary problems right there. After all a couple of servings of grains, vegetables, fruits meats and cheeses per day is a pretty complete diet for the average person.
 
Maybe off topic, but a "friend" practically makes a full time living off of lawsuits. This past year 2 suits, winning both at about 60K, lawyer kept half, so he net about 30k on each one.

One was an incident at a local patio type restaurant by the beach.
He was sitting on one of those cheezy stackable plastic outdoor chairs,
and one of the legs STARTED to bend, he didn't even bottom out, just steadied himself with his hand. The waiter was all appologetic. (not a good idea, watch Rocco in The Restaurant show on tv, he was ignoring the guy who slipped and broke his arm) Long story short, restaraunt passed the buck to German chair manufacturer that payed. Not up to stated weight capacity? This dude is a professional scumbag.
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