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Marines' training runs probed

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The Defense Department is investigating a mandatory training run at a major armed forces command after a female officer complained to Washington that the weekly jog was demeaning.
A spokesman for U.S. Southern Command, which oversees American military operations in Latin America, confirmed to The Washington Times that the run has been canceled.
"The Defense Department IG (inspector general) is addressing the command run and some other allegations," said Col. Ron Williams, the command's chief spokesman. "The IG is involved in the investigation, and I'm not sure where it's going to go."
Another spokesman confirmed that Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, who heads the U.S. Southern Command, terminated the Friday morning run. It involved uniform personnel running for about 30 minutes in a park near the command headquarters in Miami.
Military sources told The Times an officer wrote a letter of complaint to Congress and the Pentagon, and the case was referred to the office of the inspector general. Another source said part of the complaint is that the run subjected slow runners to ridicule from faster participants. The IG is also looking into the "command climate" at the headquarters.
Col. Williams said Gen. Pace, a Vietnam combat veteran and former commander of the Marine Barracks in Washington, did not participate in the runs. The spokesman declined to discuss the female officer's allegations. The run was begun by the previous commander, before Gen. Pace took command in September.
Col. Williams said the runners were usually divided into groups based on their abilities.
Said Kelley Spellman, a command spokeswoman: "The entire command would run. They would run around the area of the command for approximately half an hour. It was an esprit de corps endeavor and also physical fitness."
She said such mandatory runs are "pretty prevalent for the Army and Marine Corps, but not so much for the Navy because they are on ships a lot."
The decision to terminate the run has its critics within the command's officer corps. One suggested the decision is an example of an increasingly coed military toning down its warrior culture to accommodate women.
In 1997, then-Defense Secretary William Cohen ordered a blue-ribbon commission to look at the issue of mixed-gender basic training. Mr. Cohen was so alarmed at the panel's findings that in 1998 he ordered the services to add more rigor to training.
The run's cancellation was even more puzzling to some inside the Pentagon, given the emphasis the Defense Department places on physical fitness.
In 1998, the Pentagon kicked off "Operation Be Fit," a program designed to encourage personnel to exercise outside their units' normal physical training.
The short run at Southern Command was in addition to mandatory, twice-yearly physical fitness tests taken by all military personnel. Each branch has different, although similar, requirements.
In the Marine Corps, which places a strong emphasis on physical conditioning, a male must be able to run three miles in at least 28 minutes; a female in 31 minutes. Males and females must be able to perform at least 45 stomach-toning "crunches" in two minutes.
It varies from command to command on whether physical training is required as a group activity.
Staff Sgt. Keith Milks, a spokesman at Marine headquarters in the Pentagon, said most of his past assignments were at commands that required group runs.
"We are all supposed to be war fighters, and this is a way for commanders to gauge the physical strength of their warriors."
Because of odd working hours, he said, mandatory runs are not required at Marine headquarters. "We run individually," he said.
At U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Fla., a spokesman said workouts and runs are left to the individual.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20010709-30466182.htm
 
hahahaha

im sorry, but that really made me laugh. if women are set lower physical standards, ok. im undecided if as a result of this they should be denied front-line roles. but if they are gonna be the slower ones they have to expect some ridicule until they make it to the front. i dont see men suing due to it.

its just a woman who thought she could make some $$ by suing. the majority of the women in the military now probably hate her.
 
And in England...

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Britain nixes girls in the ranks.

This week, British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon will be briefed on the results of a joint-services study of women in combat that found female soldiers unsuited for the physical demands of direct combat. The British services' "Combat Effectiveness Gender Study" concludes that women should continue to be barred from serving in "direct-fire close-combat roles." Such a revealing study would never be permitted in the U.S. military, where the Pentagon's feminist lobby forbids a discouraging word about women's capabilities. Secretary Rumsfeld's team might want to request a copy be forwarded in a plain brown wrapper before getting hen-pecked into adopting more destructive social engineering in the name of equality in the ranks.

A senior military official explained that the study concentrated solely on testing whether women "can carry the load." And the answer was: Only if it's not as heavy as the guys' burden. Seventy percent of women, in contrast to 20 percent of men, were unable to carry 90 pounds of artillery shells over a measured distance. While 17 percent of men failed a test requiring a 12.5-mile march, with 60 pounds of equipment, followed by target practice simulating conditions under fire, the female failure rate was 48 percent.

Women soldiers came up short in these field tests of strength and stamina despite complaints that performance on certain tasks had been "gender normed" to mask differences in performance. Earlier this year, Brigadier Seymour Monro, the Army's director of infantry, claimed that tests had been watered down, and certain particularly difficult tasks eliminated, in the interest of enhancing women's performance. Still, enough demanding tasks remained to reveal the potentially deadly differences.

It won't be easy for the Pentagon's Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services (DACOWITS) to hide from the latest evidence that their goal of full integration risks the lives of men and women in uniform. The British field tests revealed that women were unable to dig into hard ground while under fire.


http://www.nationalreview.com/kob/kob062601.shtml
 
Let me tell you this. She should be dishonorably discharged and ridiculed. If she thinks those runs are demeaning, she is a waste of life. I spent over five years going on platoon, company, and battalion runs. If you are a straggler you will get picked up and it is far worse for those of us who are not stragglers as we have to continually circle back to pick 'em up. Second, if you can't hack a battallion run you are one out of shape mo fo.

The woman only had to do a mile and half a long time ago and they bitched so much about having to do the 3 mile group runs, that they had their pt standards changed to include 3 mile runs. It backfired on them.

What are we supposed to do? Tell the enemy wait, don't hurt our slow pog's'! It is not their fault they are out of shape, it is our gov't's and the whiners fault. Just shoot the faster people? and don't shoot the women. They might complain about the harsh conditions of combat and that we are allowing you to shoot at them.
 
Haha! I knew we'd hear from you, chesty! :D

My whole time in the Army, male soldiers had to do extra work to make up for the women who couldn't keep up. That, and the fact that most of the women spent their whole time on Detail flirting with the NCOIC to get out of the hard work.

I have to say that most of the women who actually pulled their weight were the Lesbians. Those were some hard-workin' dykes! Good soldiers, too!
 
...and most were the ugliest mo fo's I had ever seen!
 
Weapon X,

What did you do in the Army? I have forgotten.


This woman is sorry.
 
I was a big-time Chairborne Ranger! :D

Database Admin, but my unit did at least get out into the field on a regular basis, and I had the "pleasure" of doing REFORGER (1989?) with V Corps. Also got fun time with our German Sister Unit and their toys (Uzis, etc.).
 
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