Marijuana and T-Levels

[seizer]

Hey guys, I was just curious about this. I have been reading up on this and am becoming increasingly worried about this. For anyone who does know, do my t-levels only decrease if i am a pot smoker all the time or if i do it on occasion or both. Are the decreases in t-level significant. Any and all info would be great.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Marajuana lowers test levels - period.

 

[Dieharder]

excessive marijuana use lowers test levels, occasional toking is going to do minimum damage to t levels

 

[gregory]

MJ does not Lower test. It's unsubstantiated mumbo jumo perpetuated by the anti MJ lobbies. Next think you guys will be saying is that it can give you gyno, is physiologically addictive, that it will make you crazy blah blah blah. Nothing could be further from the truth.

What does happen to some, and it's been proven by MJ supporters is that it can cause something called the "amotivational syndrome". That happens usually with daily smokers. You go into a pernmanent state of lethargy (until you quit), this can be accompanied by lower test levels, just like it would be if you were chronically tired. This is easily preventable by not abusing it. Abuse anything and it's positives quickly become negative. Alcohol in small quantities can bump test levels, drink too much and they drop like a brick.

 

[JKurz1]

This gets beat up more than a red-headed stepchild......both sides argue.........AND After reading both theories, I firmly believe it DOES supress Test levels............I'm not a scientisits, just from my general readings...........

 

[~SC~]

This gets beat up more than a red-headed stepchild

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Good one brutha!

~SC~

 

[gregory]

OK, fine it supresses test leves.

 

[gregory]

[Serum testosterone concentrations in cannabis and opiate users]

[Article in German]

Friedrich G, Nepita W, Andre T.

Institut fur Rechtsmedizin, Universitat Freiburg.

The object of this study was to establish possible influences of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels. The plasma testosterone levels of 66 male Pakistani who for years had smoked cannabis daily or drank cannabis regularly where measured after chronic and acute intake of the drug and compared with a material of 41 normal controls, i.e. persons who did not use cannabis. An evaluation of the results showed that there were no significant differences between the two groups. No influence of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels was found. Furthermore we wished to find out wether long-term heroin abuse showed an effect on plasma testosterone levels. The concentrations of testosterone in the plasma of 102 heroin addicts assigned to a Methadone Program were measured and compared with the values of 29 male healthy students as controls. Plasma testosterone levels were found to be significantly decreased in heroin addicts as compared to controls.

PMID: 2241844 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[JKurz1]

yup....I've read that...and I've read...........http://health.rutgers.edu/brochures/marijuana.htm



like I said, there are 2 sides.......

 

[gregory]

And the funny thign about all this is that i can dig up studies that show the opposite. But if you study the study you will see the ones showing negative influences on Test are all done on either mice and some other animals and usually done in countries that have a very ANTI cannabis lobby. The legalization of this substance would make a lot of chemicall (dupont) and pharmaceutical corporations loose close to 20-40% of all their patents, LOL! It will never be legalised. We can have a million studies showing it's benefits to sick people, but the powers that be will focus on some bullshit and deem it unsafe. It's a scam. Look at the FDA's track record with the pharm industry, how many drugs did the deem "safe" and were later pulled off the market with people dieing, remeber phen phen? What happened there? There are hundreds of others. No one ever in history died from MJ, ever. Not a single documented case worldwide, with billions of people partaking in it worldwide. I find the illegalization of a naturally growing plant to be stupid. A plant growns and you are forbidden to touch it and use it as it come from the ground by law, odd.

But as a law abiding citizen i don't want any problems. So i stay away.

 

[JKurz1]

Hey, I'm not arguing. Like I said, I don't have a leg to stand on. All I can tell you is what I've read. It's the same thing with alcohol, as it lowers T levels as well. I guess my thoery is anything that is toxic to the body, could/may/most likely will have some sort of an effect on Test, as it is EXTREMELY sensitive. Even if it's a matter of not letting you sleep as deeply or as long as you should, or eating the wrong/shitty foods cause you're stoned....whatever the case, I just feel as though it HAS to effect it in some way.

Now, having said that, I could really care less....do it if you so chose.

 

[javaguru]

Chronic drug use, other than steroids of course, is going to inhibit your results from bodybuilding. I don't care if it's coke, meth, marijuana, or alcohol.

 

[seizer]

Hmm, interesting. However I was speaking to one of my profs today about this (he's a ph.d in bio), and he was telling me that marijuana will lower it abit for someone who uses it often, but even then the decreases in t are minimal at that. He was comparing to how people think mj increase your metabolic rate, and it does, but insignificatly. More or less, he was trying to tell me that its going to have the same affects on me as say sleeping less or eating incorrectly (junk food all the time low nutrional foods).

 

[eat big]

shit i know people who smoke up before they go workout. they dont juice and are huge. i imagine theres something else they are doing. i asked them if it decreses their intensity and they said no we can concentrate more on what have to do. oh well whatever works for them. i wish i could do that. oh well

eat big

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I doubt they can concentrate more. They're just spewing bullshit because they don't want to disrespect good ol' MJ. Of course they're better off with it, and can focus more.

They're probably huge because though it does effect T-levels, it's nominal, they get the munchies and eat a fucking ton (an assumption, of course, I don't know them), and they still train.

 

[eat big]

roger

 

[gregory]

I doubt they can concentrate more. They're just spewing bullshit because they don't want to disrespect good ol' MJ. Of course they're better off with it, and can focus more.

They're probably huge because though it does effect T-levels, it's nominal, they get the munchies and eat a fucking ton (an assumption, of course, I don't know them), and they still train.

Actually i worked out on MJ before, A strong sativa is very motivating and the intensity was quite high. More importantly the pain and burn that makes you stop a set is greatly diminished, this is why you can push yourself just a tad more on a good sativa MJ. And sativa hardly causes any munchies, munches are usually a side effect of an indica, a extreme munchies are a result of low quality MJ.

 

[chewyxrage]

Actually i worked out on MJ before, A strong sativa is very motivating and the intensity was quite high. More importantly the pain and burn that makes you stop a set is greatly diminished, this is why you can push yourself just a tad more on a good sativa MJ. And sativa hardly causes any munchies, munches are usually a side effect of an indica, a extreme munchies are a result of low quality MJ.

I've worked out while high before too. While sometimes I felt it helped concentration other times it just made me feel like going home.....so I think it just depends on your mindset for that day....

I smoke nugget and my stomach turns into a bottemless pit.....which can be a good thing if I have some good foods ready to eat...I don't buy junkfood so it's never around....which is good otherwise I would prolly just grab a bag of chips or something

 

[LeeJunFan]

MJ does not Lower test. It's unsubstantiated mumbo jumo perpetuated by the anti MJ lobbies. Next think you guys will be saying is that it can give you gyno, is physiologically addictive, that it will make you crazy blah blah blah. Nothing could be further from the truth.

What does happen to some, and it's been proven by MJ supporters is that it can cause something called the "amotivational syndrome". That happens usually with daily smokers. You go into a pernmanent state of lethargy (until you quit), this can be accompanied by lower test levels, just like it would be if you were chronically tired. This is easily preventable by not abusing it. Abuse anything and it's positives quickly become negative. Alcohol in small quantities can bump test levels, drink too much and they drop like a brick.

are you joking or being serious because I saw a program on gyno and the use of cannabis can lead to gyno!

 

[chewyxrage]

are you joking or being serious because I saw a program on gyno and the use of cannabis can lead to gyno!

I don't believe that for a second. Jerking off can give you gyno, too. Anything can be related to anything.

 

[camshaft]

my .02

my good friend and workout buddy smokes daily, including before working out, and is getting huge. i sometimes smoke before a workout and like the other guy said, sometimes it helps up the intensity and sometimes it makes me want to go home.

 

[fiction agent]

truthfully... does it matter? if you smoke a lot and work out and see results, whats the problem? if you're smoking and start to see a decline you can always quit. it's like people saying mcdonalds is keeping them fat. some people pound cheeseburgers and are pretty jacked. other people eat cheeseburgers and are obese. but it's your choice, no one is forcing you to eat...

 

[beefybull]

Jkurz...THC is not toxic

Check this out:
Heavy Marijuana Use Doesnt Damage Brain
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm