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epimetheus
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Yeah, same city I work in. Idiot people.
I almost hate cats, but torturing a little kitten is a bit much. If it was me that found that guy, I would have been thrown in jail. I would have shoved his face in those coals and seen how he liked it. Stupid jack ass.
I almost hate cats, but torturing a little kitten is a bit much. If it was me that found that guy, I would have been thrown in jail. I would have shoved his face in those coals and seen how he liked it. Stupid jack ass.
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Julez
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I fucking love all animals and especially cats. Shit, if anyone ever hurt mine I swear to God I would kill them. Easily- hell, at thirteen my mother stopped me from shooting a guy that had just running over and killing another cat.
If I could I would dedicate my life to the hunting down and giving brutal justice to three groups of 'people'.
1/ People that are cruel to children.
2/ People that are cruel to animals.
3/ Wife-beaters.
This guy is filth, I hope he guess to jail and they clear out his ass with a wire brush before ganging banging him to death.
If I could I would dedicate my life to the hunting down and giving brutal justice to three groups of 'people'.
1/ People that are cruel to children.
2/ People that are cruel to animals.
3/ Wife-beaters.
This guy is filth, I hope he guess to jail and they clear out his ass with a wire brush before ganging banging him to death.
`Julez said:I fucking love all animals and especially cats. Shit, if anyone ever hurt mine I swear to God I would kill them. Easily- hell, at thirteen my mother stopped me from shooting a guy that had just running over and killing another cat.
If I could I would dedicate my life to the hunting down and giving brutal justice to three groups of 'people'.
1/ People that are cruel to children.
2/ People that are cruel to animals.
3/ Wife-beaters.
This guy is filth, I hope he guess to jail and they clear out his ass with a wire brush before ganging banging him to death.
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
When people are cruel and malicious to defensless animals I think that "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" should come into effect.
The man and the others who stood around and watched in amusement should all be thrown on some burning coals and let them suffer what that baby cat suffered.
Sorry Bastards!!!!
The man and the others who stood around and watched in amusement should all be thrown on some burning coals and let them suffer what that baby cat suffered.
Sorry Bastards!!!!
growin'
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I don't know what happens when you die, but I have heard a theory that when you die, you relive the experiences of all the people (in this case animals) you hurt while you were alive. I hope this is true.
I would personally LUUUUUVVVVV to torture these people. Hearing shit like this just makes me crazy.
if anyone hurt my dog or my cat.....shit, we'd be moving to Ole Mexico pretty soon 
I would personally LUUUUUVVVVV to torture these people. Hearing shit like this just makes me crazy.
if anyone hurt my dog or my cat.....shit, we'd be moving to Ole Mexico pretty soon Tony104104
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People like that just should'nt be alive ,PERIOD!
beastboy said:I knew a sick kid like that in high school...he would bury cats up to their neck, then run them over with a lawnmower.
He's in prison now.....go figure
OMG!! Thats disgusting!!
People make me sick you know? Not only does that fucker deserve to be messed up, so do all the assholes watching!!
Society needs to keep an eye on these people. Every serial killer has experiences with either self-mutilation, or animal mutilation.
Jeffrey Dahmer is a good example.
Someone who has problems discerning between good and evil will have a hard time conforming to moral truths.
Jeffrey Dahmer is a good example.
Someone who has problems discerning between good and evil will have a hard time conforming to moral truths.
vixenbabe said:beastboy said:I am protesting the abuse of lobster's...they are boiled alive....do you hear those poor things scream??
They hiss...Not scream...And damn do they taste good.....
Well excuuuuuse me....
If a tree falls in a forest an nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound???
If a tree falls in a forest an nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound???
nope. sound, by definition has to be heard. It is only vibrations in the air UNTIL you have an apparatus that can detect frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz by some mechanisms of hearing. Ears.
If noone is there to hear it or they are deaf, there is no sound.
nope. sound, by definition has to be heard. It is only vibrations in the air UNTIL you have an apparatus that can detect frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz by some mechanisms of hearing. Ears.
If noone is there to hear it or they are deaf, there is no sound.
Just wondering but... if those people where actually intending to eat the cat... would it still be animal cruelty? As.. in... you are cooking the cat for the ultimate goal of consumption, not so much the enjoyment of seeing it rise to our father's glorious kingdom...? As beastboy says... they do it to lobsters and other sea creatures...??
vixenbabe
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Blue Sky....I think that there is a difference. I would eat dirt before I could bring myself to eating a cat or dog.
My family visited China several year's ago. They sell Fido in the open market's for consumption. They do not look at those dogs as pet's but as a food source. They also cut it's throat BEFORE eating it! BIG DIFFERENCE!
Different culture over here in the USA.
I gather that these men did it to be cruel to the creature and were not intent on eating the poor kitty? I could not bring myself to read the article.....
My family visited China several year's ago. They sell Fido in the open market's for consumption. They do not look at those dogs as pet's but as a food source. They also cut it's throat BEFORE eating it! BIG DIFFERENCE!
Different culture over here in the USA.
I gather that these men did it to be cruel to the creature and were not intent on eating the poor kitty? I could not bring myself to read the article.....
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Citruscide
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Suuuuurre... it's bad here, but move the guy to Taiwan and all the sudden it's "cultural".
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vixenbabe
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Sad story.... I work for a company that sold a company in China a AUTOCLAVE machine( machine that is like a HUGE microwave to recap tires). A few of the VP'S went over to visit the company after machine was installed. They found that the FREIGHT CONTAINER was being used as a home by some of the worker's.
Guess it goes to show ya ..IF YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT AS FAR AS FUNDS..YOU'LL EAT ANYHTING AND SLEEP ANYWHERE!
Guess it goes to show ya ..IF YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT AS FAR AS FUNDS..YOU'LL EAT ANYHTING AND SLEEP ANYWHERE!
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Warik
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rotovibe said:nope. sound, by definition has to be heard. It is only vibrations in the air UNTIL you have an apparatus that can detect frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz by some mechanisms of hearing. Ears.
If noone is there to hear it or they are deaf, there is no sound.
By that logic, then nobody exists except those I'm directly looking at.
Stuff has to be seen, right? So in order for you to be seen, we'd need an apparatus that can detect light within the visible spectrum, i.e. another person or animal. However, that person or animal does not exist unless another person or animal can see them and we run into a big dumb paradox.
Isn't sound just vibrations in the air at a frequency in the range of 20-20,000 hertz? Who cares if somebody is there to hear it, the sound is still there.
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casavant
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Warik said:
I believe this has been a subject of great debate in philosophical circles, actually.
Sight and hearing are related to the human or animal perception of vibrations, reflections of light, etc. "Perception" is the key word here. If noone is there to percieve it, then it does not exist in that sense.
The paradox thing is interesting though. I'll chew on that for a while.
nevertoobig
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Slightly off topic...
I just read the article and they use the word 'destroyed' to describe the kitten being put to death.
Can you imagine the reaction if they used the word 'destroyed' to describe turning a persons life support machine off?
It just pisses me off when i hear that.
I just read the article and they use the word 'destroyed' to describe the kitten being put to death.
Can you imagine the reaction if they used the word 'destroyed' to describe turning a persons life support machine off?
It just pisses me off when i hear that.
Vixenbabe,
The people in the article certainly didn't seem be be cooking that kitten for later consumption but... Um... like... sushi and sashimis in.. japan... they do drive a knife through their gills but.. when they serve it... (and some places serve it will the detachted head... the gills moving and the eyes rolling...) the fish is still twitching and convulsing... There is more pity associated with dogs/cats just because they are more appealing to most as domesticated animals but... Hmmm... I mean... I suppose its cruel but you never hear anything about animal cruelty against shellfish...
The people in the article certainly didn't seem be be cooking that kitten for later consumption but... Um... like... sushi and sashimis in.. japan... they do drive a knife through their gills but.. when they serve it... (and some places serve it will the detachted head... the gills moving and the eyes rolling...) the fish is still twitching and convulsing... There is more pity associated with dogs/cats just because they are more appealing to most as domesticated animals but... Hmmm... I mean... I suppose its cruel but you never hear anything about animal cruelty against shellfish...
casavant
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nevertoobig said:
No, I didn't notice that, but I guess you raise a point. On the other hand, I guess if I looked at animals the same way as I look at humans, I wouldn't eat them.
On another note, I think if I had been that woman and saw how messed up it was, I might have put it down myself. Then again, maybe it needed to be alive for evidence.
i agree with you Warik but the key here is our definition of sound. I am merely responding to the use of the word sound. I agree that there are fluctuations of mass, in this case , air, present. I beleive that reaction to energy is possible, I don't have to see it. But to CALL it sound, we would have to HEAR it.
There are other material evidences of masses, in your example, people, that can convice me that they exist. I wouldn't have to rely on sight alone. Masses will affect other masses. I may not see a person in the dark but I can hear him/her breath, take footsteps, possibly run into a wall, or me! Plus a multitude of different other means...
Of course, I would use other means to determine if abe lincoln ever existed but that's another thread.
Even if I was deaf, I can definitely feel vibrations in the air. But would I call it sound? I would probably call it a gust of wind.
I never said:
'Material existance is only so if they are readily perceived by appropriate sensory means, which thereby renders them into existence'
I beleive all I said was:
'SOUND must be HEARD in order to CALL it sound'
Much like water must be frozen in order to call it 'ICE'.
There are other material evidences of masses, in your example, people, that can convice me that they exist. I wouldn't have to rely on sight alone. Masses will affect other masses. I may not see a person in the dark but I can hear him/her breath, take footsteps, possibly run into a wall, or me! Plus a multitude of different other means...
Of course, I would use other means to determine if abe lincoln ever existed but that's another thread.
Even if I was deaf, I can definitely feel vibrations in the air. But would I call it sound? I would probably call it a gust of wind.
I never said:
'Material existance is only so if they are readily perceived by appropriate sensory means, which thereby renders them into existence'
I beleive all I said was:
'SOUND must be HEARD in order to CALL it sound'
Much like water must be frozen in order to call it 'ICE'.
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Um... about this sound/seeing issue... I can't speak for perceptual reality but as for physical reality an object (person, car, etc.) or state of an object does not have any physical reality until it is in some way detected. Until the object in question is detected the object will exist in all its possible states (yes, you can be dead/alive, exist/not-exist at the same time)...
Although this thing where an object can exist in two contradictory states seems mysterious, it is the very basis of modern physics... And currently military satellite communicate through this principle. Since the physical reality of the signal does not exist until it is detected by the satellite, it cannot be intercepted by other sources... A full proof anti-eves dropping system...
Although this thing where an object can exist in two contradictory states seems mysterious, it is the very basis of modern physics... And currently military satellite communicate through this principle. Since the physical reality of the signal does not exist until it is detected by the satellite, it cannot be intercepted by other sources... A full proof anti-eves dropping system...
Well, I don't know much about satellite signal transmission. But I am willing to bet that it changes the resting state of matter in order to create those signals. Wether it be alterations of light waves, radiation waves, sound waves, etc... you're still organizing matter to transmit.
I agree that it doesn't seem intelligble till it is RECEIVED by appropriate means but you must alter the resting state of matter in order to TRANSMIT. That, in itself, is evidence that it exists BEFORE it is being RECEIVED.
About it being undetectable , or eves dropping proof, its just a matter of being able to devise an apparatus that can receive it. But that's probably classified. But it further proves my point about it being and organization of matter comprising the signal. Or else it's just static or natural harmonics and noise.
Physical reality not being real until detection? I gotta think about that one...i don't think it holds true...
I agree that it doesn't seem intelligble till it is RECEIVED by appropriate means but you must alter the resting state of matter in order to TRANSMIT. That, in itself, is evidence that it exists BEFORE it is being RECEIVED.
About it being undetectable , or eves dropping proof, its just a matter of being able to devise an apparatus that can receive it. But that's probably classified. But it further proves my point about it being and organization of matter comprising the signal. Or else it's just static or natural harmonics and noise.
Physical reality not being real until detection? I gotta think about that one...i don't think it holds true...
It is true that you have to alter the state of the transmitter to transmit, but you can induce a change in the transmitter to both send a photon and not send a photon at the same time. In essence all you have to do is not know how you alter the state. (and there are many ways one can accomplish this...)
In this case the interception of the signal is not a matter of being able to devise an apparatus that can receive it. It is no secret as to how to make one. But the physical reality of the signal only exists between the two satellite that are communicating. If someone(something) tries to detect that signal it will detect a whole different physical reality than the two communicating satellites.
The idea where the physical reality does not manifest until it is detected is the essence of quantum encryption. It is indeeded full proof, since the physical reality of the signal can only be discerned by the intended parties...
Your arguement would have been very convincing in the early 1900's, but it is a predominantly classical view of physics. It is based on the notion that nature follows a binary logic (existance/ non-existance, dead/alive), but contemporary physics has shown that nature is in no way binary. Contradictory states can indeed exist in harmony.... Because of this counter intuitive notion, it took so long for physicists grasp this....
interesting.
How does physics define contradictory states?
Can you re-encrypt these signals?
So the patterns that these receivers interperet seem random to everything else?
How can the receivers interperet the signal from evry other signal that may bounce off of it?
Very interesting stuff.
How does physics define contradictory states?
Can you re-encrypt these signals?
So the patterns that these receivers interperet seem random to everything else?
How can the receivers interperet the signal from evry other signal that may bounce off of it?
Very interesting stuff.
How does physics define contradictory states?
Aa... well, if you have two states such as... |dead> and |alive> then you can express the state of the system (person...)
Person= 1/sqrt(2)*|dead>+1/sqrt(2)*|alive>
This means a person is half dead and half alive... You can change the numbers in front so the person is 1/4 dead and 3/4 alive... etc... And then you go on doing calculations with this...
Actually in general objects can exist in infinite states, so many times you see infinite sums...
Can you re-encrypt these signals?
Aa... I am not particularly sure what that means but.. once you received the signal... I suppose you can send another encrypted signal w/ the same info?
So the patterns that these receivers interperet seem random to everything else?
Yes... that is indeed the essence... to everyone and everything else it is jibberish with no meaning....
How can the receivers interperet the signal from evry other signal that may bounce off of it?
Aa... Again I am not particularly sure what you mean but... I suppose you mean how you can see what you are looking for with other stray signals all over... Well, that is not particularly hard you can use spectral filters to get only the signal bandwidth you desire...
Aa... well, if you have two states such as... |dead> and |alive> then you can express the state of the system (person...)
Person= 1/sqrt(2)*|dead>+1/sqrt(2)*|alive>
This means a person is half dead and half alive... You can change the numbers in front so the person is 1/4 dead and 3/4 alive... etc... And then you go on doing calculations with this...
Actually in general objects can exist in infinite states, so many times you see infinite sums...
Can you re-encrypt these signals?
Aa... I am not particularly sure what that means but.. once you received the signal... I suppose you can send another encrypted signal w/ the same info?
So the patterns that these receivers interperet seem random to everything else?
Yes... that is indeed the essence... to everyone and everything else it is jibberish with no meaning....
How can the receivers interperet the signal from evry other signal that may bounce off of it?
Aa... Again I am not particularly sure what you mean but... I suppose you mean how you can see what you are looking for with other stray signals all over... Well, that is not particularly hard you can use spectral filters to get only the signal bandwidth you desire...
This is really an interesting concept. I have more questions ...
Is this more of an abstract theory? Can it be applied to physical structures that have mass? Like a rock? You said that it can be represented by a state as well as it's potential states. so can it represent the rock as it is, what it will be, what it is not, and what it was before now?
do these signals have a specific pattern? Otherwise, wouldn't they be like any other signal in that signal bandwidth? How does it know when a signal is NOT being transmitted?
...Is this more of an abstract theory? Can it be applied to physical structures that have mass? Like a rock? You said that it can be represented by a state as well as it's potential states. so can it represent the rock as it is, what it will be, what it is not, and what it was before now?
do these signals have a specific pattern? Otherwise, wouldn't they be like any other signal in that signal bandwidth? How does it know when a signal is NOT being transmitted?
The quantum theory is not really a total abstraction with absolutely no practical use... It is fairly well developed at this point... The notion beyond binary logic was the paradigm of early 20th century physics...
And... yes... in principle all objects can be expressed in all its possible states (electrons and protons have mass too... and it is well incorporated into physics..)
As for the rock.. well.. What you do is take every electron, proton, neutron, whatever the rock is made out of... each and every one can exist in any of its potential states... Perhaps the fraction state where the rock can exist as a gold nugget is very very small, so more likely than not you will see a rock than a nugget of gold... But the computation of these things is well beyond the present computational capabilities so... There are too many degrees of freedom which present computers cannot handle.. but in principle it can be... done?
No, the signals don't have any pattern until they are detected by the receiver... um.. as for signals in the same bandwidth... usually you choose a frequency which isn't used for other things so you don't have stray noise... And... aa.. well, if it is not being transmitted then... the receiver doesn't register anything and... well.. there is nothing?
And... yes... in principle all objects can be expressed in all its possible states (electrons and protons have mass too... and it is well incorporated into physics..)
As for the rock.. well.. What you do is take every electron, proton, neutron, whatever the rock is made out of... each and every one can exist in any of its potential states... Perhaps the fraction state where the rock can exist as a gold nugget is very very small, so more likely than not you will see a rock than a nugget of gold... But the computation of these things is well beyond the present computational capabilities so... There are too many degrees of freedom which present computers cannot handle.. but in principle it can be... done?
No, the signals don't have any pattern until they are detected by the receiver... um.. as for signals in the same bandwidth... usually you choose a frequency which isn't used for other things so you don't have stray noise... And... aa.. well, if it is not being transmitted then... the receiver doesn't register anything and... well.. there is nothing?
epimetheus
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Blue Sky said:
Schroedingers Cat?
HansNZ
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I don't think this is unusual behaviour at all. You see it when kids bully other kids and get a kick out of them feeling uncomfortable.
At school I saw boys slowly burn young birds in the school furnace. They thought it made them "tough". Lots of spectators grouped around to have a look.
Horrors like the holocaust/ the balkans just allow cruel behaviours expression - behaviour that exist just below the surface in societies with a sufficient amount of order to maintain control. I don't think these sadistic tendencies are the exception either.
At school I saw boys slowly burn young birds in the school furnace. They thought it made them "tough". Lots of spectators grouped around to have a look.
Horrors like the holocaust/ the balkans just allow cruel behaviours expression - behaviour that exist just below the surface in societies with a sufficient amount of order to maintain control. I don't think these sadistic tendencies are the exception either.
nevertoobig
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This is one of the most narrow minded and thoughtless posts I've read in a long time.supernav said:
In America, you kill all sorts of animals for food, that many people would regard as pets (Not just in other parts of the world). Whats the problem with Koreans eating dogs when Americans eat Cows, Chickens and sheep?
Since a lobster can't kick a ball around, it isn't as cruel to boil them to death as it would be for anything else living!?
What makes you think that nature designed cats and dogs to be companions to man? I'd like to see you go up to a wild cat or dog and make friends with it. Cats and dogs would'nt depend on humans if they were left alone in the wild and not turned into household pets.
HansNZ
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nevertoobig said:
Your argument is half right. We have double standards towards animals. When McDonalds opened a restaurant in India it was picketed because they sold beef - which to many Indians is the Western equivalent of eating a cat or dog.
I think, however that there is a difference between eating an animal and torturing it, as that loser did to the kitten. Having said this, I think it is also very cruel to boil lobsters alive and I am disgusted that it is tolerated. This is truely cruel.
I am a vegetarian so I don't eat any animal. I do however get a lot of harrassment (especially on this site) for being a vegetarian. People have real issues with it, and as with most things people don't like people who are different or challenge convention.
I love cats. I love the way they taste. When I was in China last summer, I went to this restaurant and they had some good cat meat. I ordered this soup. It had cat meat, snake meat, and chicken. That night I came 8 times while fucking this chinese whore at my hotel.
Cat meat is like viagra. It keeps you up all night long.
Cat meat is like viagra. It keeps you up all night long.
epimetheus
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Blue Sky said:
Nah, nothing that deep. Somebody asked how this thread got turned into a quantum physics discussion.
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