Making a DNP solution?

[gainerxxl]

Just got 5 gramms of powdered DNP, a hundred percent pure (if you don´t count the 30% H2O). Since I don´t have an accurate scale I can use, I waas thinking about making some DNP suspension and draw the amount intended to be taken in cc´s.

My Question: Is DNP stable in water, will it degrade rapidly. Didn´t find info in the DNP data sheet, maybe someone here knows.

 

[gainerxxl]

Why would I, the feds can kiss my ass, and I don´t think my question embarasses me.

 

[EngiCream]

Good luck getting "powder" DNP to suspend in water

*SOLUBILITIES:
WATER : <1 mg/mL @ 19.5 C (RAD)

DMSO : 50-100 mg/mL @ 22 C (RAD)

95% ETHANOL : 10-50 mg/mL @ 22 C (RAD)

METHANOL : Not available

ACETONE : 50-100 mg/mL @ 22 C (RAD)

TOLUENE : 6.36 g/100 g @ 15 C [033]

taken from http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/CHEM_H&S/NTP_Chem5/Radian51-28-5.html

 

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dnp degrades fast in water. don't ask me what it turns into, but i know it doesn't last much more than 48 hours in water.

dnp encapsulation is a very precise process. anything less could be very hazardous. you could suspend it in water briefly, but witout knowing how much you're putting into the water this could be very dangerous. get a mg or .mg scale for $100 and cap them yourself.

 

[adoniscomplex]

dnp degrades fast in water. don't ask me what it turns into, but i know it doesn't last much more than 48 hours in water.

This is absolutely REDICULOUS!

HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF WETTED DNP!

DO NOT POST ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Some people (me) use wetted (wetted means shipped in a small amount of water) dnp that comes in little 200 mg vials.

 

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This is absolutely REDICULOUS!

HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF WETTED DNP!

DO NOT POST ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

i think you meant to say "ridiculous."

learn the difference between "wet" chemicals and chemicals dissolved in water and you'll be on your way to being a great scientist one day.

the dnp you get from companies isn't really wet, but just contains 30% moisture, just like a graham cracker contains 65-70% moisture. try dissolving the sugar cracker in water and you'll notice a much faster chemical reaction in the reducing sugars.

here's an excerpt from a biomed journal:

possible biotransformation mechanisms for 2,4 Dinitrophenol include the reduction of the nitro group, hydroxylation of the aromatic ring and displacement of the nitro group; possible biodegradation products include, 2-amino-4-nitrophenol, 4-amino-2-nitrophenol, and nitrite. 2,4-Dinitrophenol is not expected to volatilize significantly from wet or dry surfaces. If dissolved in water, 2,4-dinitrophenol is expected to react with alkylperoxy radicals and it has the potential to photolyze due to absorption of UV light wavelengths > 290 nm. If released to air, 2,4-dinitrophenol is expected to exist in both vapor and particulate form. It may photolyze, it may be physically removed by settling or washout in precipitation or it may react with photochemically generated hydroxyl radicals (calculated vapor-phase half-life 14 hours).

 

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Some people (me) use wetted (wetted means shipped in a small amount of water) dnp that comes in little 200 mg vials.

in case you're a little confused laboratory equipment that you refer to as "little vials" such as eppendorff tubes are not used to measure a quantity of mass (mg). they are used to measure volume (ml, cc). don't mistake ml with mg. the standard eppendorff tube is 2ml or 3ml. make sure you know the density of 30% moist dnp to convert the ml to mg.

 

[adoniscomplex]

1. It is not "moisture" in the litte vials but ~1ml of distilled water.
and what is "moisture" if not water?

2. I don't have to CONVERT anything, as I get my DNP from a CHEMICAL SUPPLY HOUSE. It is pre measured by them to contain EXACTLY 200mg per vial of the dnp powder, which is then wetted (WITH WATER) as to make it safe to ship. As i'm sure you know, "dry" dnp poses an explosion hazard.
How do they solve this problem?????

Answer: By shiping it in WATER!

ALSO:

"If dissolved in water, 2,4-dinitrophenol is expected to react with alkylperoxy radicals and it has the potential to photolyze due to absorption of UV light wavelengths > 290 nm."

This dose NOT SAY that WATER will DEGRADE dnp.

It says that when dnp is dissolved in water it has the POTENTIAL to degrade ONLY DUE TO THE ABSORPTION OF UV LIGHT (AND NOT THE WATER ITSELF).

In other words, don't expose your wet dnp to light...no shit.

So what if reacts with the alkylperoxy radicals in water
(using distilled water would prevent this) and it still would be dnp.

This is why the vials I receive are light inhibiting.

I still say you were incorrect with your original comment that water will degrade dnp in ~48 hrs.

I'm sure anyone who uses the dnp from where I get mine from (and there are many here at elite) will agree.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

sodium dinitrophenolate is very soluble in water, so add your DNP to water containing an equimolar amount of for example NaOH, and stir for a while.

I bet your mouth and tongue will be very yellow if you try it.

 

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1. It is not "moisture" in the litte vials but ~1ml of distilled water.

in that case you're getting no more than 6mg of dnp per vial because the solubility of 2,4-dnp is ~5500mg/L = 5.5mg per 1ml.

and what is "moisture" if not water?

there is chemically active water and chemically inactive water. for example, bread has much more active water than honey allowing for much more chemical reactions to take place, but honey has a consistancy more similar to water than a solid like bread.

"If dissolved in water, 2,4-dinitrophenol is expected to react with alkylperoxy radicals and it has the potential to photolyze due to absorption of UV light wavelengths > 290 nm."

This dose NOT SAY that WATER will DEGRADE dnp.

no, pure water hardly ever degrades anything. it simply provides the medium to accelerate chemical reactions. read carefully, i never said water degrades dnp. i said dnp degrades fast in water.

So what if reacts with the alkylperoxy radicals in water
(using distilled water would prevent this) and it still would be dnp.

please enlighten us on how distillation (i assume you mean steam distillation) would prevent alkylperoxy radicals from forming...

This is why the vials I receive are light inhibiting.

glass or plastic?

I'm sure anyone who uses the dnp from where I get mine from (and there are many here at elite) will agree.

you've already proven yourself to be an asshole, but this is the stupidest thing you could have posted on this board. if you choose to purchase dnp for personal consumption, fine, but don't bring everone else on EF down with you.

 

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DO NOT POST ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

 

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sodium dinitrophenolate is very soluble in water, so add your DNP to water containing an equimolar amount of for example NaOH, and stir for a while.

i don't think this would be a good idea. not only would this reaction be extremely exothermic, it would also leave a very alkaline solution that would not go over too well in the human body...

however, you are right that the sodium salt of 2,4-dnp would be a lot more soluble than 2,4-dnp. the process to convert 2,4-dnp to sodium-dnp is a bit more complicated and should not be attempted in an underground laboratory by people inexperienced in laboratory science.

 

[adoniscomplex]

read carefully, i never said water degrades dnp. i said dnp degrades fast in water.

You are an idiot.
You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

And 5mg of dnp would not have caused me to loose 8 lbs of fat in 7 days.

I'm going to pm you where I get my dnp from.
You can see from yourself.

"there is chemically active water and chemically inactive water. for example, bread has much more active water than honey allowing for much more chemical reactions to take place, but honey has a consistancy more similar to water than a solid like bread."

No shit. WHY would someone use chemically actaive water to suspend anything?????????? I've been speaking of the inactaive water all the time.
What'd you think, I was reffering to tap water?

"no, pure water hardly ever degrades anything"

Holly shit, I think we have a winner!
This is what I have been saying! Dumbass.

 

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i feel sorry for you "adoniscomplex."

can you not understand the difference between water being the degrading agent and water providing the medium for degradation?

i don't care how much weight you claim to lose. do the math. physics and laws of nature won't lie.

you don't get to chose what "type" of water you use whether it's chemically active or not. it's in the types of bonds it forms with the chemicals it's mixed with. this is comical lol. ie, no one is really chosing to use chemically active water, the water has a mind of its own when mixed with its surroundings.

i read your PM.

you shouldn't PM sources, legitimate or not, over PM.

i suggest you stop posting so you don't shove that dildo farther up our own ass... i give this advice because i care about kids trying to learn new information... shut your trap and keep learning. stop talking.

 

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DO NOT POST ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

 

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If you believe that water kills DNP, [/url]

no, i don't. dissolved dnp in water can accelerate the degredation of dnp.

30% moisture in dnp is not dissolved dnp!

 

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I've let 200mg (in 1ml of h2o) vials sit on my shelf for over a 3 months... took it and lost fat, got an increase in body temp of over 2 degrees... hmm, I think it works.

200mg of dnp in 1ml of water is not dissolved dnp.

the guy's question is about making a dnp solution, not swallowing dnp with 30% moisture as he has it.

read the fucking question and stay on the subject.

 

[gainerxxl]

Oh, don´t get me wrong, it doesn´t have to be a solution, a suspension will be just as good. I could suspend 5 gramms of DNP in 50ml of water and get a 100mg/ml suspension, which I could draw with a syringe and inject into gel caps to get my 200 or whatever milligramms.
Instead I might just buy some small capsules, stuff eevery single one full of it, count the full ones, divide 5000 by that number and I got the milligramms per caspsule. Good idea?