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Mail Irradiation

Perry

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OK, they are gonna start X-Raying all mail.
At the levels they're talking about it can affect many drugs.
Does anyone have a clue what it will do to juice??

This will alter All of our lives, as one way or another most of our stuff ends up in the mails at least somewhere along the line I think.

( Mods- might want to make this one a sticky)
 
Xrays that will be used may not even pick up the gear if packaged right by the source. For instance, I went to Hawaii and came back with about two pounds of mushrooms in my carry on bag and they couldnt even see it as they were to light to show up on the xray so it may make things harder but not impossible.

Also xraying all packges seems impossible to do.

DRQ
 
I think he is talking about HIGH radiation.They use it to combat against anthrax and other chemical hazards.
Not for looking, for zapping.If I understood right,they will just put them on the sort lines,which all mail passes through.

Hope it won't monk up the juice.
 
They do this in Europe alot, especially on food. You can shrink wrap a chicken, irradiate it an dput it on a shelf for a few weeks before eating it. I doubt it will affect gear, in fact this will actually be a benefit since any bacteria in the gear will be killed, LOL.
 
I couldn't see them radiating items at a level that would actually make them radio-active I mean even the x-ray machines in the airports don't even erase magnetic tapes anymore in fact if it is designed to kill bacteria cultures it might actually clean dirty gear which would be a godsend, no more test flu - just a thought!!!
 
Last night on the news they said that the new irradiation that they were going to be doing at the USPS could destroy the potency of mail-order drugs. They said that some Amercan Pharmaceutical Board (can't remember the exact name) had expressed it's concern to the USPS and that the USPS was considering treating packages labeled as coming from pharmaceutical companies differently (they wouldn't get the treatment). Unfortunately this doesn't do us a lot of good due to the discretion in packaging we've gotta use.
 
I need to try and keep this one going, in the hope that someone knows.
The article I read stated that the plan was to "Irradiate ALL MAIL, to destroy anthrax".
Problem is that it will destroy many pharmaceuticals also.

In the UNLIKELY EVENT that anyone connected with this board might perchance get "unlabeled medicines" through the mails, it could have a really serious effect!! ( might end up anorexic ) !!!!

Seriously, if anyone has any info,,,mods, feel free to chime in here, let us know.
 
I'm afraid on this issue. Especially after hearing that pharma board somewhere expressed it concern, it MAY after all DESTROY gear. I think the only persons that may answer such a question are not even general M.Ds, but rather a roentgenologist (Expert on X-Rays). Other juicers can only express thoughts.
 
Well, here I go again. NEW INFO!
I'm hoping someone here, knows someone, or,,,,,
Anyway, this is sounding worse with each article, so if anyone can find out anything, WE ALL NEED TO KNOW!!


Zapping Our Mail November 23 By Elizabeth Lee For years, Barb Wojhoski has sent mail-order fruit baskets to far-flung relatives for Christmas. This year, she's breaking that tradition. Anthrax contamination in the mail and some post offices has convinced the Atlanta free-lance editor to scratch food and other perishables off her gift list. ``I'm not worried about someone actually receiving something from me that's contaminated,'' she explains. ``I'm worried about a scare taking place where they close the post office and the food is stuck there.'' Timeliness of delivery aside, should people be worried about mailed products as the Postal Service begins sanitizing mail with irradiation? Maybe. Which may make you wonder: Will mail-order pharmaceuticals and food be safe and in their original condition? How soon will irradiation begin, and where will the machines be? How can items unsuitable for irradiation be separated without undermining the safeguards against bioterrism? There are clear answers to only some of those questions. Irradiation has been tested extensively on food and is generally considered safe even at the high levels needed to kill anthrax bacteria. But it can change food's smell, taste and texture, resulting, for example, in rancid cookies or soft fruit. For pharmaceuticals, many of the answers simply aren't known. ``This is an issue that needs to be carefully studied,'' says Jeff Trewhitt, spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a Washington-based trade association. ``Irradiation could affect the effectiveness and the stability of medicine and, particularly, biological products,'' which include vaccines, blood and laboratory samples. Zapping food packages at levels high enough to kill anthrax - about 10 times the dose used on products such as fresh ground beef - also would violate Food and Drug Administration regulations. The FDA must first approve any use of irradiation on specific foods, including the dose amount, and requires that all irradiated food be prominently labeled. ``There are some items you should not be irradiating, because you would make it unusable, as in film, or you would exceed the dose allowed by the FDA, as in food,'' says Wil Wheaton, a vice president of Titan Corp., the majority owner of the company supplying irradiation equipment to the U.S. Postal Service. Other products likely to be affected, Wheaton says, are anything containing live DNA, such as seeds and blood products, and electronics, especially circuit boards. FDA spokeswomen said the agency is working with the Postal Service to resolve food and pharmaceutical concerns but would give no other details. The Postal Service plans to install eight electron beam accelerators in East Coast post offices and is working on one in Washington. It is also considering adding X-ray irradiation, which would treat larger packages. Both of those methods are non-nuclear; a third irradiation technique, using gamma rays, is nuclear. The agency is releasing limited information about where the machines will be and how soon they will be in service. It's not clear how much irradiation will be used during the holiday season, a crucial time for mail-order food businesses and families sending food packages, although a postal spokesman says the technology won't be widespread before Christmas. Businesses are taking note of customer concerns about mail safety, even if they ship through other carriers, such as United Parcel Service or Federal Express. Many are reassuring customers about their packaging. Sunnyland Farms in Albany started sorting its mail well away from its pecan-packing facilities after anthrax contamination hit post offices. Byrd Cookie Company in Savannah has begun asking for e-mail addresses of gift recipients so it can notify them to expect a package, says owner Benny Curl. Of the 1.5 million fruitcakes it sells every year, Collin Street Bakery of Corsicana, Texas, sells 90 percent between Thanksgiving and Christmas, with most shipped through the mail or UPS. Company President Bob McNutt believes in irradiation as a way to make food safer, but he wasn't familiar with the doses that would be needed to sterilize mail. He doesn't think it will affect his products, but he says customers have the option of picking another shipper if they don't want food sent through the mail. The Postal Service is trying to work out a way to prevent packages likely to be adversely affected by irradiation from going through the process, says spokesman Gerry Kreienkamp. Part of that screening process will include working with known shippers to set aside their products and asking consumers to prominently label packages with items that might be damaged by irradiation, such as home-baked cookies. Yet some products may wind up irradiated regardless, such as mail-order drugs purchased abroad. Such purchases are illegal but not uncommon, and packages may be unlabeled or mislabeled to escape detection. The Postal Service says it will rely on additional safeguards - think of it as package profiling - to prevent terrorists from taking advantage of procedures meant to keep food, drugs and film from being irradiated. ``It really feels like there was a jump to the apparent quick-fix solution, and now they're finding the quick fix is partially broken,'' says Peter Lurie, deputy director of health research for the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen, a longtime critic of irradiated food. Anthrax bacteria are much harder to destroy than food-borne pathogens such as listeria and E. coli. To kill anthrax, machines must be set for higher doses. ``You can use as much as you want, and the food would not be unsafe,'' says Lester Crawford, director of the Center for Food and Nutrition Policy at Virginia Tech. But at higher doses, irradiation can oxidize fats, giving food a rancid taste, and affect texture, says Christine Bruhn, director of the Center for Consumer Research at the University of California at Davis. Irradiation Basics There are several ways to irradiate products, including electron beam acceleration, a non-nuclear method; X-rays; and cobalt-60, a nuclear method. Medical supplies such as tampons and baby bottle nipples are sterilized at higher doses than food. The FDA allows up to 30 kilograys to irradiate spices, with levels for raw meat and fruit much lower. Refrigerated raw beef, for example, can be treated with 4.5 kilograys, frozen meat with 7 kilograys and fresh fruit with 1 kilogray. Food for astronauts, treated to prevent any spoilage for up to a year in space, receives 35 kilograys, says a spokesman for Titan Corp., which makes irradiation equipment. A dose of at least 41.5 kilograys is needed to kill anthrax, Titan says. The FDA first approved irradiation of food in the 1960s, for wheat and white potatoes. It has approved the process for products such as raw meat, dehydrated spices and fresh fruit for various purposes, including killing bacteria, controlling insects and extending shelf life. Consumer acceptance has been slow. Irradiation makes food safer from bacteria that can cause food-borne illness, such as salmonella, listeria, campylobacter and E. coli, says Christine Bruhn, director of the Center for Consumer Research at the University of California at Davis. Irradiation is endorsed by the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the American Dietetic Association. ``Most people have not heard what the benefits of irradiation are,'' Bruhn says. ``They may be more hesitant to try it.'' ----- (The Cox web site is at http://www.coxnews.com) Copyright: c. 2001 Cox News Service
 
Just to help clear things up...........I have a relative that works for the USPS. They are ONLY going to be irradiating mail that was ORIGINALLY contaminated at the sites on the East coast........Any new mail should not be irradiated unless it is found to be suspect................. Hope this helps
 
Whats ridiculous?

and, no,,they're now supposedly buying the equipment to irradiate every piece of mail in the country.
 
my $.02:

The government works so slow I do not see them spending the money and putting in these machines anytime soon....
 
I POSTED THIS YESTERDAY, BUT HERE IT IS AGIAN.

For years, Barb Wojhoski has sent mail-order fruit baskets to far-flung relatives for Christmas. This year, she's breaking that tradition.

Anthrax contamination in the mail and some post offices has convinced the Atlanta free-lance editor to scratch food and other perishables off her gift list.

``I'm not worried about someone actually receiving something from me that's contaminated,'' she explains. ``I'm worried about a scare taking place where they close the post office and the food is stuck there.''

Timeliness of delivery aside, should people be worried about mailed products as the Postal Service begins sanitizing mail with irradiation? Maybe.

Which may make you wonder: Will mail-order pharmaceuticals and food be safe and in their original condition? How soon will irradiation begin, and where will the machines be? How can items unsuitable for irradiation be separated without undermining the safeguards against bioterrism? There are clear answers to only some of those questions.

Irradiation has been tested extensively on food and is generally considered safe even at the high levels needed to kill anthrax bacteria. But it can change food's smell, taste and texture, resulting, for example, in rancid cookies or soft fruit. For pharmaceuticals, many of the answers simply aren't known.

``This is an issue that needs to be carefully studied,'' says Jeff Trewhitt, spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a Washington-based trade association. ``Irradiation could affect the effectiveness and the stability of medicine and, particularly, biological products,'' which include vaccines, blood and laboratory samples.

Zapping food packages at levels high enough to kill anthrax - about 10 times the dose used on products such as fresh ground beef - also would violate Food and Drug Administration regulations. The FDA must first approve any use of irradiation on specific foods, including the dose amount, and requires that all irradiated food be prominently labeled.

``There are some items you should not be irradiating, because you would make it unusable, as in film, or you would exceed the dose allowed by the FDA, as in food,'' says Wil Wheaton, a vice president of Titan Corp., the majority owner of the company supplying irradiation equipment to the U.S. Postal Service.

Other products likely to be affected, Wheaton says, are anything containing live DNA, such as seeds and blood products, and electronics, especially circuit boards.

FDA spokeswomen said the agency is working with the Postal Service to resolve food and pharmaceutical concerns but would give no other details. The Postal Service plans to install eight electron beam accelerators in East Coast post offices and is working on one in Washington. It is also considering adding X-ray irradiation, which would treat larger packages. Both of those methods are non-nuclear; a third irradiation technique, using gamma rays, is nuclear.

The agency is releasing limited information about where the machines will be and how soon they will be in service. It's not clear how much irradiation will be used during the holiday season, a crucial time for mail-order food businesses and families sending food packages, although a postal spokesman says the technology won't be widespread before Christmas.

Businesses are taking note of customer concerns about mail safety, even if they ship through other carriers, such as United Parcel Service or Federal Express. Many are reassuring customers about their packaging. Sunnyland Farms in Albany started sorting its mail well away from its pecan-packing facilities after anthrax contamination hit post offices. Byrd Cookie Company in Savannah has begun asking for e-mail addresses of gift recipients so it can notify them to expect a package, says owner Benny Curl.

Of the 1.5 million fruitcakes it sells every year, Collin Street Bakery of Corsicana, Texas, sells 90 percent between Thanksgiving and Christmas, with most shipped through the mail or UPS. Company President Bob McNutt believes in irradiation as a way to make food safer, but he wasn't familiar with the doses that would be needed to sterilize mail. He doesn't think it will affect his products, but he says customers have the option of picking another shipper if they don't want food sent through the mail.

The Postal Service is trying to work out a way to prevent packages likely to be adversely affected by irradiation from going through the process, says spokesman Gerry Kreienkamp. Part of that screening process will include working with known shippers to set aside their products and asking consumers to prominently label packages with items that might be damaged by irradiation, such as home-baked cookies.

Yet some products may wind up irradiated regardless, such as mail-order drugs purchased abroad. Such purchases are illegal but not uncommon, and packages may be unlabeled or mislabeled to escape detection.

The Postal Service says it will rely on additional safeguards - think of it as package profiling - to prevent terrorists from taking advantage of procedures meant to keep food, drugs and film from being irradiated.

``It really feels like there was a jump to the apparent quick-fix solution, and now they're finding the quick fix is partially broken,'' says Peter Lurie, deputy director of health research for the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen, a longtime critic of irradiated food.

Anthrax bacteria are much harder to destroy than food-borne pathogens such as listeria and E. coli. To kill anthrax, machines must be set for higher doses.

``You can use as much as you want, and the food would not be unsafe,'' says Lester Crawford, director of the Center for Food and Nutrition Policy at Virginia Tech. But at higher doses, irradiation can oxidize fats, giving food a rancid taste, and affect texture, says Christine Bruhn, director of the Center for Consumer Research at the University of California at Davis.


Irradiation Basics

There are several ways to irradiate products, including electron beam acceleration, a non-nuclear method; X-rays; and cobalt-60, a nuclear method. Medical supplies such as tampons and baby bottle nipples are sterilized at higher doses than food.

The FDA allows up to 30 kilograys to irradiate spices, with levels for raw meat and fruit much lower. Refrigerated raw beef, for example, can be treated with 4.5 kilograys, frozen meat with 7 kilograys and fresh fruit with 1 kilogray. Food for astronauts, treated to prevent any spoilage for up to a year in space, receives 35 kilograys, says a spokesman for Titan Corp., which makes irradiation equipment.

A dose of at least 41.5 kilograys is needed to kill anthrax, Titan says.

The FDA first approved irradiation of food in the 1960s, for wheat and white potatoes. It has approved the process for products such as raw meat, dehydrated spices and fresh fruit for various purposes, including killing bacteria, controlling insects and extending shelf life.

Consumer acceptance has been slow. Irradiation makes food safer from bacteria that can cause food-borne illness, such as salmonella, listeria, campylobacter and E. coli, says Christine Bruhn, director of the Center for Consumer Research at the University of California at Davis. Irradiation is endorsed by the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the American Dietetic Association.
 
I guess the anthrax people will have to stop mailing anthrax and start mailing letter bombs.
 
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