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Low dose T3 cycle duration

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I see the consensus seems to be not to stay on T3 for more than 6 weeks. However, is this recommendation also appropriate for low dose cycles of 20mcg per day? If not, how long can I stay on this dosage before tapering off?
 
outsized said:
I see the consensus seems to be not to stay on T3 for more than 6 weeks. However, is this recommendation also appropriate for low dose cycles of 20mcg per day? If not, how long can I stay on this dosage before tapering off?
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Well man.. this is what I think.. of course I am no doctor.. but I do base my opinions on medical research mostly.. and secondly by people's success stories and any other info i can find out about the human body.. my sisters in sports med.. :) anyway.. i have been considering exactly what your considering.. running a low dose t3.. for a long time.. but so low that it will not shut down your thyroid.. well.. here's what i propose..

According to doctors and different studies.. the thyroid bounces back after replacement horomones almost just as fast in someone who has been on replacement therapy for 30 years.. as someone that was on it for only days at a time.. that in itself is pretty important.. goes to show that the thyroid is very strong and will not just give up even if it doesn't produce any horomones for 30 something years.. NOW.. does that mean when you do go off replacement horomones.. that your natural level of thyroid horomones will be as high? I haven't found a study on that.. but I would almost surely imagine the level of output would be diminished... not so great that you would become a tub of lard probably.. but you may have to be slightly more careful in your diet..

Now there is another side to this.. since it keeps you shut down.. couldn't you just stay on replacement horomones instead of letting your body produce it... well.. you could.. and it would work.. but it would be hella expensive.. and you would need blood tests to find out what the normal level of thyroid horomones should be and use whatever amount of replacement horomones keeps you at that level.. THEN.. whenever you would like to cut up or something.. just bump up that level to whereever you want.. and when you done.. go back to your baseline.. then there is no worry about if your thryoid will be shut down or diminished output.. because your doing it's job already.. but you have to be smart if your going to do that.. and probably have a GOOD bit of money.. or a doctor's rx for it.. which is probably even harder..

I've heard people say on different boards and places that any amount of t3 or thyroid horomone will shut you down.. but more often you will find that to be false.. most people say anything under 25mcg of t3 will shut you down.. again.. there is no telling.. it's an individual thing.. each person's thyroid has a low setting.. a middle setting.. a high setting.. and overload which is when it shuts down... your goal for LONG term use of t3 would be to keep your thyroid always in the high setting.. so you can be like all those lucky people with fast metabolisms all the time.. but you don't want to push it so much that your thyroid gets shut down.. but then again if your on such a low dose.. coming back should not be hard.. and according to the same studies about long term usage.. it takes around the 2 week mark for the thyroid to return to full capacity..

Ok.. so now that i've talked about everything.. (hope some of that was helpful).. here is what i'm actually doing right now through the christmas season... (since i tend to overeat this time of year.. but who cares).. i am running 12.5mcg in the am.. and around 6mcg at night before bed.. I have always sort of had a slower metabolism and was easy to gain fat and weight.. just genetics.. so i believe a dosage that low should put me in the high-normal range of thyroid output and my thyroid will still be active and function.. which is my main goal.. so far.. about 3-4 days in.. i feel much more active.. alert.. a little hungrier.. but i feel good.. hopefully because i have achieved what i wanted.. a high metabolism.. plus at this level.. and as long as diet and training are good.. t3 is not gonna eat your muscle.. it will probably help you build muscle.. give you more energy.. allow you to eat more food to feed your muscles.. and can have some small anabolic effects.. mostly from those already listed..

Let me know the kind of cycle your considering and for how long.. I'm running this through christmas and maybe a little longer.. I will probably run it straight for around 2 months and see how it goes.. if at any time i start to feel different and suspect my thyroid.. i will quit.. i also hope to run a good cutter sometime beginning of next year with t3 at much higher doses but with some gear of course..

Hope this helped man.. let me know if you've got anymore questions.. the thyroid has always been an interest of mine so i've done a lot of research.. take care man and good luck
 
good post. Have one Question. If you take a higher dose of T3 and your thyroid does shut down is there anything that you can take PCT to help it get back pumping again?
 
Otis Hurtz said:
good post. Have one Question. If you take a higher dose of T3 and your thyroid does shut down is there anything that you can take PCT to help it get back pumping again?
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Thanks man..

Well.. there a few different ideas and thoughts about PCT for thyroid and t3.. the first idea is to taper down.. I've done it before.. seemed to work just fine.. but according to the medical studies.. whether your shut down on 25mcg.. or shut down on 100mcg.. it will still take around 2 weeks.. (give or take a few days depending on age.. health.. etc.) for the thyroid to recover to full output.. so with that being said.. the taper off idea really doesn't stick except for this one point.. going from 100mcg of t3 in your body a day.. to nil.. will wreak havoc on your energy.. diet.. and make you gain weight quick if you aren't careful.. like going from have 1g of test/week in your body to nothing... you can see where i'm coming from.. that's where the taper method comes into play as far as i can see.. but as far as ACTUAL recovery.. you could just stop all t3.. and recover just the same.. keep that in mind..

As for things to take.. I have seen people advocating taking L-Tyrosine in amount of 1-3g per day.. some say it helps.. some say it doesn't.. haven't actually tried it.. and have yet to find an actual study that incorporates its use in thyroid horomone replacement.. but it's always worth a shot and not that expensive.. another thing is to carb up.. this is a solid idea but be careful because you don't want to gain back all the weight you just lost.. but carbs help rev up the metabolism and the conversion of t4-t3.. so this can aid in recovery.. but really this shouldn't be done until after or around the 1st week when the thyroid is really starting to output horomones again.. More people as well have said to stay away from anything else that affects metabolism.. such as clen.. eca.. but once again.. i do not see the merit in this and think it's just a rumor.. this is the time you should really be using these products to help keep the weight off till your thyroid bounces back again.. clen would be a GREAT choice here.. especially if you were already using it.. and can keep using it along with ketotifen.. would definatly help keep the weight off after the t3 cycle..

So to sum things up.. here is what should be incorporated into a thyroid hormone PCT..

Week 1:
L-Tyrosine 1-3g daily (debatable but worth a try)
More cardio (help keep weight off)
More carbs and a very clean diet (probably want to have lower calories during this week since your thyroid will be shut down still)
Clen 100-160mcg day or ECA (help keep the weight off, mildly anti-catabolic)
Ketotifen 1mg day (help keep clen effective)


Week 2:
L-Tyrosine 1-3g daily
More cardio (also helps speed up metabolism and the conversion process once the thyroid is active again which should be sometime during this week)
Carb up but still keep calories fairly low (your thyroid is just now starting to come back so carb up to help conversion of t4-t3 but keep calories low enough to keep off fat and weight gain)
Clen 100-160mcg day or ECA
Ketotifen (only if clen was used)

Now that was really an unofficial pct.. for the people that have done it.. what works for you.. then stay with it.. this works for me very effectively.. and anyone feel free to correct anything i've said.. add studies to back up anything i've said.. or add to what i've said.. this is a topic that has been thrown around for a LONG time with no real solid answers..

Good Luck!
 
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