Looking for advice on first cycle...

[He-Man2005]

I tried looking through past threads but got frustrated trying to find it so I thought I would post, sorry if this is a pain in the arse, I know how annoying threads can be if they show up a lot. I'm a 6'1" 185lb male who is looking to go on my first cycle. I have a lean build and I'm looking to gain somewhere between 10-15 lbs and I have little knowledge on what kind of steroid or how long to go on it. I have many friends who do steroids but I would like to keep this as anonymous as possible, so I figured I would try here. I've been reading up and it seems like Anavar interests me the most. I would prefer orals but I've been reading that I might as well go with the needle. Can anyone out there give me what would be the best oral cycle to take as well as the best injectable cycle?

 

[littleb]

i would not personally do oral cycle as first, a good first cycle most will tell you is 250mg-500mg test for 10 weeks, go for either test e or sust. also get some a dex for bloat. make sure you study pct, and have everything you need in place b4 you start, i.e hcg, nolva.
no matter what you read no need to stack on first cycle small amount of test, you will grow. good luck

 

[He-Man2005]

Ive been trying to figure out what the test cycle is? I'm extremely new to this and the short forms don't do much for me...

 

[Champ24]

Shoot 1 mL or 250 mg/mL of test enanthate on Monday and Thursday making up 500 mg/week. Do this for about 10-12 weeks while lifting as hard as you can and eating as much as you can and you will be set. Dont forget PCT too though.

 

[Champ24]

sorry, i mL of 250 mg/mL

 

[He-Man2005]

I keep reading about PCT yet I do not know what it means...I'm sorry for all these questions that I'm sure everyone knows but I have to start somewhere and I figure this is the place where I can get the most useful information.

 

[littleb]

Ive been trying to figure out what the test cycle is? I'm extremely new to this and the short forms don't do much for me...

test= testosterone

 

[He-Man2005]

I happened to look at the charts for test E and noticed that Deca also interests me. Is there a reason why I should or shouldn't take Deca as my first cycle and could I take it alone or would I have to stack it?

 

[He-Man2005]

Thanks LittleB, I did some more looking and figured that one out, the PCT is still getting me though. I understand that it's what you take after your cycle but I do not get what you take it for or why you need it...

 

[Bruce]

bra i rocked deca 600 a week alone for 13 weeks my first cycle, was fucking awesome, but my noodle works on deca, some guys need test with it for keeping it up. if you don't know though go with the basic test e cycle for 10-12 weeks. and read jenetic's pct sticky

 

[krishna]

I wouldn't do orals. You can run deca or test for a good first cycle.

 

[littleb]

Thanks LittleB, I did some more looking and figured that one out, the PCT is still getting me though. I understand that it's what you take after your cycle but I do not get what you take it for or why you need it...

there is a pct forum on this board, its lower down on the forum page, read everything you can in there. in short you will at least need hcg, and nolvadex. do a google search as well on those ,it will tell you all about them. pct is actually more important then the gear itself, without it you will lose most of what you may gain. its all about getting your natural test levels back up and running (shuts down during cycle) take your time and hang around, read up, and do it smart. peace....

 

[smaretick]

I keep reading about PCT yet I do not know what it means...I'm sorry for all these questions that I'm sure everyone knows but I have to start somewhere and I figure this is the place where I can get the most useful information.

PCT=Post Cycle Therapy...there's a Post Steroid Cycle Therapy forum under the Platinum Member boards further down the page...read the sticky's in that forum.

 

[silverbackn]

First of all, if you don't know what the most basic drug is you have no business juicing. That said, since most don't listen anyway, do 500mg's of enanthate a week for 10 weeks. Keep it simple, eat a ton, lift harder than ever in your life and you will grow.

 

[He-Man2005]

I understand that I don't know much about juicing and thats why I figured this was the best place to ask about it. If I was ignorant about it then I would have started taking it without trying to find as much info as I could. It's not like I can go ask my physician about this stuff. I apologize to all if I am coming off as a newbie but thats what I am and like I said earlier, I have to start somewhere. Any information helps me....

 

[krishna]

I understand that I don't know much about juicing and thats why I figured this was the best place to ask about it. If I was ignorant about it then I would have started taking it without trying to find as much info as I could. It's not like I can go ask my physician about this stuff. I apologize to all if I am coming off as a newbie but thats what I am and like I said earlier, I have to start somewhere. Any information helps me....[/QUOTE

This was a very humble and appropriate response. I suggest you just stick around and read as much as you can. Most guys on here will be more than happy to help you out as long as you are trying to do your part also. You're welcome here! There is plenty of information already available; you just have to dig a little. Good luck bro; and keep us posted.

 

[TRAINHD]

I understand that I don't know much about juicing and thats why I figured this was the best place to ask about it. If I was ignorant about it then I would have started taking it without trying to find as much info as I could. It's not like I can go ask my physician about this stuff. I apologize to all if I am coming off as a newbie but thats what I am and like I said earlier, I have to start somewhere. Any information helps me....

KRISHNA'S right on perfect response,but one thing you've got to remember is the most ANABOLIC substance known to man is FOOD in other words you've got to get your diet right first,and then go to the AS but make sure for gods sake you hit the PCT forum,without PCT you can kiss all your hard earned mass goodbye hope this helps PEACE

 

[ElMatador]

Bro ... go with dbol & deca or test & deca cycle.You can choose...
Nolva or Arimidex during your cycle,and HCG or Clomid for PCT...

 

[He-Man2005]

Thanks...

 

[He-Man2005]

OK, I've read the PCT forum and I understand why I need HCG and Nolva now but my question is, if I was to use test e, would I really need 8-10 weeks to gain 10-15lbs? I do not want to gain more than this. And, if I didn't need to use it for 8-10 weeks is a PCT as important or is it always important no matter how long the cycle is? Also, if this is my first cycle and I do not plan for it to be very long, do I run the risk of testicular atrophy and if so, will I need the HCG during the cycle? Thanks again....

 

[krishna]

OK, I've read the PCT forum and I understand why I need HCG and Nolva now but my question is, if I was to use test e, would I really need 8-10 weeks to gain 10-15lbs? I do not want to gain more than this. And, if I didn't need to use it for 8-10 weeks is a PCT as important or is it always important no matter how long the cycle is? Also, if this is my first cycle and I do not plan for it to be very long, do I run the risk of testicular atrophy and if so, will I need the HCG during the cycle? Thanks again....

Use at least 8 weeks. If your diet is clean and healthy, you'll need at least 8 weeks to gain 10-15 pounds. I would just do the whole 10.

 

[He-Man2005]

Well looking through all the info it looks like I would go injectable, would you recommend Test E or Sustanon? Looking at the charts I think Sustanon but nobody has really seemed to recommend that...Is one better than the other?

 

[krishna]

I used sustanon; it's fine for a first cycle.

 

[[email protected]]

Well looking through all the info it looks like I would go injectable, would you recommend Test E or Sustanon? Looking at the charts I think Sustanon but nobody has really seemed to recommend that...Is one better than the other?

From a cost standpoint, test-e will be cheaper than sustanon. But from a muscle standpoint, it doesn't matter which one you use.

 

[boyer]

Bro do test only for a first cycle. If you do a deca and test cycle and get some sides, you won't know which drug caused them or how to combat them. I would personaly do test at least 400 a week. If you want to keep it simple do either Test E, Cyp or Sustanon. Props to prop though.
You gotta do some more research though.

 

[littleb]

OK, I've read the PCT forum and I understand why I need HCG and Nolva now but my question is, if I was to use test e, would I really need 8-10 weeks to gain 10-15lbs? I do not want to gain more than this. And, if I didn't need to use it for 8-10 weeks is a PCT as important or is it always important no matter how long the cycle is? Also, if this is my first cycle and I do not plan for it to be very long, do I run the risk of testicular atrophy and if so, will I need the HCG during the cycle? Thanks again....

yes need to use test e 10 weeks, long acting ester, so takes a while to even kick in. and yes even if it is shorter cycle, pct just as important. some have testicular atrophy some really dont shrink too bad, depends on person, if you did notice a lot of shrinkage, you could do a week of hcg during cycle.hope this helps a bit. keep reading you will get there bro. take care.

 

[Nighthawkk]

Hopefully you are no longer in your teen years, but it sounds like you are doing your homework so that's a start in the right direction. If you feel that you are ready to go through with it, I would just echo what everyone says and use Testosterone as a base in your stack. A good first bulk cycle would be something like this, at least in my opinion:

Week 1-4 Dbol 25mg ED
Week 1-10 Sust 500mg
Week 1-8 Deca 200-300 mg

Many would say not to stack the first time because it would be difficult to pinpoint which substance is causing sides such as gyno, water retention, cramps, etc...but I honestly think if you do enough research you should know ahead of time what may cause problems. If you are very gyno prone you will know that you have to start using an anti-aromatase right away. It's an old school belief that using anti-e's will hinder your gains, and as that has yet to be proven, you should still be cautious and keep estrogen to a minimum. Anyways, there are multiple cycles you can choose but as long as you are safe and educated, you will gain a good amount. Don't start the cycle unless you have EVERYTHING you need (i.e. hcg, nolv, etc). And no you don't have to stack the first time around, although since the first cycle usually yields MASSIVE gains, I would tend to make it a good one

 

[He-Man2005]

Yeah I'm out of my teens, I'm 23....thanks for all the info guys, didn't realize there was this much to a cycle. If I didn't find this I probably wouldve popped winny tabs for about 3 weeks and thats it. I appreciate all the help. Hopefully I'll stay around long enough to get the hang of all these short forms Either way, thanks again for taking the time, if you think of anything else that could be useful I'm gonna keep checking this post out..