Looking at Running a 24 week cycle. ADVICE

[DiamondCutCows]

Im looking at running a longer than average cycle for my winter bulker.

I was thinking:
1-22 Test Enan (NEXUS) 600mg
1-21 EQ (NEXUS) 600mg
1-6 DBol (BD) 25mg
18-24 Winny (BD) 50mg

Now Im wondering if it might be more beneficial to run 2-3 small cycles within one??

Like a 6 weeker of Prop/Dbol, then 12 of Test Enan, followed by a 6 weeker of Npp/Prop. Im thinking it would give my body more time to adapt to the new muscles. Changing it up could theoretically keep new gains coming for the whole shebang...

DISCUSS PLEASE.

 

[Outtlaw]

Well obviously it would be better to not run the same compounds for 24wks straight. You'd want to changes things every once in a while to keep the body from adapting.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

BUMP for the night/early am shift...

 

[Jayy5921]

I am about to come off a 20 weeker. I changed up my comounds throught. in total I used some test(enanthate,sust),tren,d-bol,equipoise,and anavar. I made great solid gains throughout, I loved it. We will see how the pct goes though.

 

[VictorBR]

I am about to start a 18 weeker soon ...very soon ...I was afraid of being shut down for so long ...but I think that with the right PCT ...it is gonna be all right ...

Just focus on your PCT and you should be fine as long as you dont abuse it ...I am gonna run 1.0-1.4 g AAS per week MAXIMUM ...


Victor

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Just focus on your PCT and you should be fine as long as you dont abuse it ...I am gonna run 1.0-1.4 g AAS per week MAXIMUM ...


Victor

Any thoughts on various compounds or mini-cycles within the 24 weeks? 4 6 weekers? 2 6wkers and a 12 wker???

 

[BigAndy69]

That cycle looks awful

If you want to stay on that long, you need to switch to short ester at the very end, Test prop would be a good idea.

There are better ways of maximizing a long cycle.


Something like this would be interesting to try out:

W1-5

Dbol: 25mg ED
NPP: 150mg EOD
Prop: 150mg EOD
EQ: 400mg/week

W6-9

EQ: 400mg/week

W10-14:

Winny: 50mg ED
Tren: 100mg EOD
Prop: 150mg EOD
EQ: 400mg/week

W15-18

EQ: 400mg/week

W19-23

Prop: 150mg ED
Anavar: 50mg ED
EQ: 400mg/week (stop at week 20)

Basically 5 weeks on heavy/ 4 weeks of cruise (400mg of EQ)

HCG during the cycle.

Just a suggestion, I know many people who do well on this type of cycling including myself.

 

[juicedbeachbum]

up the doses of the test and eq after the first 12 weeks.

 

[view]

andys cycle looks pretty pimped.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

That cycle looks awful.

Exactly what Im looking for! Thanks BA

 

[yomama]

up the doses of the test and eq after the first 12 weeks.

Whoever says there is no more gain after 8weeks....up the dosage, I still gained after my 8 and then 10 and then 12 weeks. I'm wrapping up my cycle and then going to do a long one again because that's where I grow.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Whoever says there is no more gain after 8weeks....up the dosage, I still gained after my 8 and then 10 and then 12 weeks. I'm wrapping up my cycle and then going to do a long one again because that's where I grow.

Switching the drugs every few weeks should keep the body from adapting, thus NEW gains for quite a while...

BA, What PCT is best for something like this?

 

[BigAndy69]

It's not really all about your "receptors"...etc

It's your abillity to give 110% when it comes to eating and training. It's a lot easier to give a 110% for 5-6 weeks than it is for 12 weeks and up.

So you go nuts for 5-7 weeks and then you slow down for 4 weeks, give your joints a break and work on maintaining your gains and getting mentally ready for the next 5-6 week stretch.

As far PCT, it's the same as you would for any other cycle.

I like HCG for a week before I hit clomid and clen. That's the way I do it.

If you run long cycles like this, it would be a good idea to use HCG every 3-4 weeks.

Some people like to run 2 weeks of low dose Clomid during the cruise periods.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

BA, it was brought up in another thread that EQ "cruising" would effect libido, any comments?

Thanks bor

 

[yomama]

Switching the drugs every few weeks should keep the body from adapting, thus NEW gains for quite a while...

BA, What PCT is best for something like this?

I didnt think the body adapt to steroids?!

 

[hammertime30]

I didnt think the body adapt to steroids?!

Once the receptors are saturated you stop growing...end of story!

 

[Outtlaw]

I didnt think the body adapt to steroids?!

The body adapts to everything you do to it.

 

[BigAndy69]

BA, it was brought up in another thread that EQ "cruising" would effect libido, any comments?

Thanks bor

It might affect your libido all steroids do...good or bad.

 

[psychedout]

Once the receptors are saturated you stop growing...end of story!

The theory of receptor saturation has pretty much been proven incorrect. Your body upregulates the number of receptors necesary to match the amount of gear.

Also, suppose they are all saturated, you still have a hell of lot more saturated receptors because of juice than if you weren't on juice, so will you continue growing.

The only reason to not continue growing is a poor diet/training regime. Now, as you get bigger, say 1000mgs of gear won't give you as much gains as when your smaller, but thats because you are genetically further from square one. If you went back to square one and took 1000mgs of gear again, you would grow at the same pace as you originally did.

End of story.

 

[New_Mass]

It's not really all about your "receptors"...etc

It's your abillity to give 110% when it comes to eating and training. It's a lot easier to give a 110% for 5-6 weeks than it is for 12 weeks and up.

So you go nuts for 5-7 weeks and then you slow down for 4 weeks, give your joints a break and work on maintaining your gains and getting mentally ready for the next 5-6 week stretch.

As far PCT, it's the same as you would for any other cycle.

I like HCG for a week before I hit clomid and clen. That's the way I do it.

If you run long cycles like this, it would be a good idea to use HCG every 3-4 weeks.

Some people like to run 2 weeks of low dose Clomid during the cruise periods.

this is key

 

[New_Mass]

The theory of receptor saturation has pretty much been proven incorrect. Your body upregulates the number of receptors necesary to match the amount of gear.

Also, suppose they are all saturated, you still have a hell of lot more saturated receptors because of juice than if you weren't on juice, so will you continue growing.

The only reason to not continue growing is a poor diet/training regime. Now, as you get bigger, say 1000mgs of gear won't give you as much gains as when your smaller, but thats because you are genetically further from square one. If you went back to square one and took 1000mgs of gear again, you would grow at the same pace as you originally did.

End of story.

good also

 

[hammertime30]

The theory of receptor saturation has pretty much been proven incorrect. Your body upregulates the number of receptors necesary to match the amount of gear.

Also, suppose they are all saturated, you still have a hell of lot more saturated receptors because of juice than if you weren't on juice, so will you continue growing.

The only reason to not continue growing is a poor diet/training regime. Now, as you get bigger, say 1000mgs of gear won't give you as much gains as when your smaller, but thats because you are genetically further from square one. If you went back to square one and took 1000mgs of gear again, you would grow at the same pace as you originally did.

End of story.

Growth is looked at in many different ways; fat, water, muscle, strength....As far as muscle, once you've grown to certain point, your muscle gains will taper no matter how much you increase your protein or overall cal intake, yes the weight scale will continue to increase, however it will not be from muscle growth....Your body regulates how much muscle it will allow in certain intervals, however we know AAS allows up to by pass those restrictions, but even with AAS, the restrictions are still there......If that wasn't the case, we would all be able to put on 50lbs of pure muscle every year.....no matter how long you stay on a particular cycle, there will be some point where your muscle growth will taper until you allow time for new receptors to formulate, for they don't formulate on a daily basis, however if you are running a very low cycle then you can actually see a longer peroid of growth than you do with heavier cycles due to "receptor saturation"!

The only reason to not continue growing is a poor diet/training regime.

You seem like a knowledgable person so I'm sure you know that it's much more to it than your diet or training.... the size and consistency of the growth is more with respect to your genetic makeup vs your calorie intake.....If i was to train, eat and sleep and juice exactly the same as a meso/endo, I would still not grow as much or as consistent being that I'm an ecto....even if I bumped my cal intake up 500 cals over, I will still not grow as consistent.....so that quote don't realm true.........

 

[psychedout]

You do have a few good points hammertime. It is more than just diet/training.

However, my point was that the whole idea of just becoming less effective over time isn't all that accurate ~~ moreso that as you get bigger, you need bigger doses for it to carry the same level of gains. But as stated (as this is my opinion) if you took 1000mgs of gear per week, went from 150-200 (assume all muscle) and then went back to 150 pounds(all things remaining constant -- bf%, lean mass, water, diet, training), 1000mgs should have the exact same effect on the body as before.

I guess it just depends on perspective. Yes gains do slow down on gear, but its not because your body adapts to gear or because gear because less effective, its because as you get bigger, your body needs a bigger dose to respond the same way.

I dunno if that makes sense to anyone, but in my head it makes sense.

 

[hammertime30]

You do have a few good points hammertime. It is more than just diet/training.

However, my point was that the whole idea of just becoming less effective over time isn't all that accurate ~~ moreso that as you get bigger, you need bigger doses for it to carry the same level of gains. But as stated (as this is my opinion) if you took 1000mgs of gear per week, went from 150-200 (assume all muscle) and then went back to 150 pounds(all things remaining constant -- bf%, lean mass, water, diet, training), 1000mgs should have the exact same effect on the body as before.

I guess it just depends on perspective. Yes gains do slow down on gear, but its not because your body adapts to gear or because gear because less effective, its because as you get bigger, your body needs a bigger dose to respond the same way.

I dunno if that makes sense to anyone, but in my head it makes sense.

I see what you're saying...yes that makes sense.......I guess you can compare it to food in a sense....like if a 150lb guy ate 3500 cals a day for 3 months and managed to put on 20lbs.... at 170lbs he may need 4000 cals to gain another 20lbs....however if he dropped back down to 150lbs then he would not need to jump up 4000 cals in order to get back to 170, but rather start at the original 3500 cals.......