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long term low dose T3
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Yes, I totally agree.
I tried T3 in the past, ramped up and down and guess what...my thyroid recovered but did not recover to pre-treatment levels. Prior to treatment, TSH was consistently between 1 and 2 (which is the optimal youthful range), after it is between 3 and 4 usually. I am considering thyroid hormone therapy for life because of this...it has not recovered since then (I only used t3 for 3 weeks, and it has been 1 year since that time)
Monkeying around with your thyroid WITHOUT close monitoring is utterly stupid, IMO. Because T3 suppresses TSH far more than T4 does...
I tried T3 in the past, ramped up and down and guess what...my thyroid recovered but did not recover to pre-treatment levels. Prior to treatment, TSH was consistently between 1 and 2 (which is the optimal youthful range), after it is between 3 and 4 usually. I am considering thyroid hormone therapy for life because of this...it has not recovered since then (I only used t3 for 3 weeks, and it has been 1 year since that time)
Monkeying around with your thyroid WITHOUT close monitoring is utterly stupid, IMO. Because T3 suppresses TSH far more than T4 does...
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I would love to see more thoughts on this. I could swear I saw DrJmw post that a lose dose like 12.4mcg / day was absolutely harmless even long term. I am not postive on that but thought I did. I knwo I have read that elsewhere to. I was considering running 12.5mcg / day and glucphage with my Gh
jcam222 said:
Harmless? Depends on your definition. At that dosage, you won't become hypothyroid after cessation. But your thyroid output will probably not retun to pre-treatment levels, and the 5-6 weeks after stopping your metabolism will be very sluggish.
My TSH with light t3 use, as mentioned above, went from between 1 and 2 to between 3 and 4. This is signifigant....technically, that isn't the hypothyroid range, but thats probably the TSH that someone signifigantly older than myself would have. Between 1 and 2 is the optimal youthful range.
TheOak01 said:
FYI I am taking the T3 as part of a cutting cycle plus, I have taken it before in high doses.
The reason I am taking only 12.5mcg long term is that I do not want to take enough to shut me down but at the same time I want to take enough to bring my thyroid up a bit.
Why?
Well it's because I am on 1200 cals a day, even without T3 my metabolism would be slower so the 12.5 mcg I am taking will pick it up somewhat.
How much by I do not know but I feel fine, the weight is dropping off and I know 99.9% that when I stop taking it my Thyroid will come back a lot better than the others on here who take 100mcg daily.
Sure, I'm not getting any bloodwork done but I don't feel I need to, not on such a low doseage...and the kicker is I personally feel its working so even if it isn't the psychological benefits have to be taken into consideration.
It takes at least 25 mcg to fully shut you down, as 25mcg is the daily dose of T3, so theoretically my thyroid is still going at least 50%
Also I am taking it in the morning when my T3 levels are the highest so my body doesn't think that the T3 I take is exogenous, a bit like the morning Dbol. This last bit may prove to be complete bulshit but if ever it is proven to work then great my theory would be proved right.
At the end of the day my opinion is just that, it doesn't mean it should get flamed on the forums and given the choice I would pick T3 at a low dose over something like Clen, I'd rather not have enlarged heart muscle, the shakes or the sweats.
Also when I did take T3 in a 100mcg dose (on a taper) my thyroid levels were almost hyper (high) after 4 weeks, then they went down to normal levels.
Gel2 said:
You say you never get bloodwork and then this. Do you mean shut down or suppressed? You will be suppressed at any dosage, even 10 mcg. Look.... I've seen it happen. Just like testosterone, exogenous thyroid intake often means that endogenous thyroid output won't be where it was prior to treatment. But if you're happy with your long term T3 intake, whatever. You don't have the bloodwork to show anything....stop cold turkey, get bloodwork done, and even several months later i'm willing to bet your TSH will be high.
25 mcg is a direct replacement doseage.
I mean 25mcg 'should' fully shut you down, I'm certainly not arguing than 12.5mcg will 100% not supress you but I don't think the human body is that accurate to work on %'s
If I took 12.5mcg does that mean it will definetely cause 50% suppression? or just 25% or 10%?
Most of our bodies run happily on the T3 levels we naturally have, if I can get the figure up by a small bit without causing suppresion then I would rather do that than a high dose course the benefits of which will be traded off when I come off it.
I agree it would be interesting to see some bloodwork as it ends speculation but I'm not paying the $$$'s to get it done, I did when I was on the high dose T3 but that was because I wanted to make sure everything was back to normal, which it was.
I mean 25mcg 'should' fully shut you down, I'm certainly not arguing than 12.5mcg will 100% not supress you but I don't think the human body is that accurate to work on %'s
If I took 12.5mcg does that mean it will definetely cause 50% suppression? or just 25% or 10%?
Most of our bodies run happily on the T3 levels we naturally have, if I can get the figure up by a small bit without causing suppresion then I would rather do that than a high dose course the benefits of which will be traded off when I come off it.
I agree it would be interesting to see some bloodwork as it ends speculation but I'm not paying the $$$'s to get it done, I did when I was on the high dose T3 but that was because I wanted to make sure everything was back to normal, which it was.
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Gel2 said:
Everything was back to normal? What were your numbers then. There is a drastic difference between having a TSH of 1 and a TSH of 5. The endocrinologist testing you will tell you everything is fine because you are in the normal range, but its a bunch of shit. 5 is probably "normal" for someone that is 70 years old.
25mcg is *more* than the thyroid produces naturally daily, BTW.
theoak01
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by thinking 12.5mcg wont shut you down is ridiculous,just because 25mcg is given to people with a thyroid disfunction to function normally that doesnt mean 12.5 wont shut you down totally,your either functioning or your not is how I look at it.
thats like me saying my body produces 7 mg of test a day,if I only take 5 I wont be shut down,which is fools talk as my body will see no need to produce its own it any from another source is introduced
thats like me saying my body produces 7 mg of test a day,if I only take 5 I wont be shut down,which is fools talk as my body will see no need to produce its own it any from another source is introduced
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