Levels of suppression?

[Vicious cycle]

Is there a difference in the amount the HPTA is suppressed by the amount of AAS used or is suppressed, suppressed? Is it a relationship, like the more AAS used the more suppressed you become?

 

[Boulder257]

No, once you begin to supplement, all you have to do is reach the level your body normally produces. Then, your body, seeing that it is receiving enough, will suppress natural production. Therefore, you can use about 250mg a week of test and shut down just as hard as if you were using a gram a week.

 

[buckwheat1]

The amount and strength of the androgen will influence how much your body suppress.


20 mg/day anavar vs 20mg/day fina . If you were to take anavar for a week and then measure your LH/testosterone levels, you would probably find that some suppression has taken place.

If you now do the the same experiment with 20mg/day fina, I pretty sure the LH/testosterone levels will have declined more than the anavar.


But there is a point where if you take enough of a substance than you are pretty much are fully suppressed. Taking even more of the substance would not get your more suppressed.

 

[Laser0001]

Recently, I have read that duration is another factor.

 

[OXANDRIN]

No, once you begin to supplement, all you have to do is reach the level your body normally produces. Then, your body, seeing that it is receiving enough, will suppress natural production. Therefore, you can use about 250mg a week of test and shut down just as hard as if you were using a gram a week.

simply not true. don't forget. your body only results in lower testosterone because of a decrease in GnRH which results in less LH inturn producing less testosterone.

 

[NFG123]

No, once you begin to supplement, all you have to do is reach the level your body normally produces. Then, your body, seeing that it is receiving enough, will suppress natural production. Therefore, you can use about 250mg a week of test and shut down just as hard as if you were using a gram a week.

Right on. However, many people report that depending on the TYPE of AAS you use and the half life, that certain AAS (such as nandrolone decanoate, or deca) will leave you shut down for longer. There is substantial evidence of this. Others report that hte more androgenic steroids (such as trenbolone) are more likely to lower endogenous T production for longer and to a greater degree than a small amount of non-AR binders such as, oxymetholone at 50 mg ED.

NFG

 

[Boulder257]

I should have been more specific; however, I was referring to using synthetic test. The type and duration do matter. But, let's not forget that the persons question was in reference to dosages, not type, time, etc. If you look at the actual question, and my answer, they match up. Please don't say "simply not true" when you are not referring to the person's actual question.

 

[OXANDRIN]

i'm not looking to argue with anyone here. there are too many unknowns and every person reacts differently.

500mg of test E with 2.5 mg of letrozole will result in less supression than

250mg test E with no aromatase inhibitor.

 

[Vicious cycle]

So who is of the opinion that HPTA isn't an on/off sort of situation? Its, let say for arguments sake, 10 - 1. 10 Being totally back to normal and 1 being permanent raisins. You go from 10 to 1 gradually depending on time of use and amount used? Or is it 1 (normal) and 2 (shutdown) regardless of use and amount?

 

[buckwheat1]

So who is of the opinion that HPTA isn't an on/off sort of situation? Its, let say for arguments sake, 10 - 1. 10 Being totally back to normal and 1 being permanent raisins. You go from 10 to 1 gradually depending on time of use and amount used? Or is it 1 (normal) and 2 (shutdown) regardless of use and amount?

It is not a on/off thing. The amount of LHRH that is released from hypothalamus will vary by the amount of androgens and estrogen in your system. So LH levels could be at 1/2 normal level or almost no-existant.



Deca suppression is abit different. It of course effects the hypothalamus but suppression is also occurs at the testes even if LH is adminstered. This means that HCG is less effective at restoring testicular volume when using DECA as opposed to something else.