Let's talk bout tipping people..

[KillahBee]

I would love to know how this custom came about. I don't get it anymore. For me, you should tip a person when their "service" exceeds expectation, possibly. Somehow we have gotten to the point where we, the customer, are actually paying someone else's payroll for them! How did this happen? Waiters get paid like $2 an hour b/c of this custom of tipping. Therefore, the customer is paying the employee, the boss isn't! It's insanity.

 

[havoc]

Ahh, throwing someone a bone or two is not going to break your wallet, you know it's customary.

 

[Forge]

I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

 

[KillahBee]

Ahh, throwing someone a bone or two is not going to break your wallet, you know it's customary.

I figured that would be the typical response to this thread. This post is not about "breaking my wallet" or being nice. It is about a "custom" that has the customer saving the employer money, on top of paying for the product. How is the customer not paying wages here? The only reason a waiter makes $2 an hour is because society has deemed tipping a necessity. What would happen if everyone stopped tipping waiters? They would not be able to live b/c they would now only be making what their employer is paying them!

 

[TheProject]

It's the way the service industry is...if they give you good service, they're rewarded for it (theoretically) by a bigger tip.

If everyone were to not tip, then eventually, waiters and waitresses would be paid a higher rate, and service would start to suck.

 

[havoc]

I figured that would be the typical response to this thread. This post is not about "breaking my wallet" or being nice. It is about a "custom" that has the customer saving the employer money, on top of paying for the product. How is the customer not paying wages here? The only reason a waiter makes $2 an hour is because society has deemed tipping a necessity. What would happen if everyone stopped tipping waiters? They would not be able to live b/c they would now only be making what their employer is paying them!

Good point, would be interesting to see this scenario played out.

 

[InTraining]

I would love to know how this custom came about. I don't get it anymore. For me, you should tip a person when their "service" exceeds expectation, possibly. Somehow we have gotten to the point where we, the customer, are actually paying someone else's payroll for them! How did this happen? Waiters get paid like $2 an hour b/c of this custom of tipping. Therefore, the customer is paying the employee, the boss isn't! It's insanity.

That is the way it is in Europe and Australia, makes more sense to me at least....I was talking to some Australians recently and they said they tip maybe once out of 50 times when the service is exceptional..also the tips are included in the price you pay for the meal anyway....tipping after getting a haircut is simply unheard of...

 

[KillahBee]

It's the way the service industry is...if they give you good service, they're rewarded for it (theoretically) by a bigger tip.

If everyone were to not tip, then eventually, waiters and waitresses would be paid a higher rate, and service would start to suck.

That's my point - "It's the way that the service industry is". That's not a good enough reason for me to pay someone's wages that isn't my employee. And I can't buy that second statement either. How does every other industry in the world operate successfully then? Shit, I don't get tips, yet I work just fine! And there are plenty of other areas of the service industry where tips are not customary and service seems to be fine, generally speaking.

 

[TheProject]

That's my point - "It's the way that the service industry is". That's not a good enough reason for me to pay someone's wages that isn't my employee. And I can't buy that second statement either. How does every other industry in the world operate successfully then? Shit, I don't get tips, yet I work just fine! And there are plenty of other areas of the service industry where tips are not customary and service seems to be fine, generally speaking.

Okay, look at it another way: yes, in one sense you're subsidizing that employee's wages. However, because every business is out to make money, you're going to pay for that service either way, whether it's in the form of an increase in prices, or tipping.

It's just like some people prefer stores with commissioned salespeople. They feel like they get better service when the employee stands to gain something. Personally, I can't stand 'em.

I go out to dinner to enjoy it, and service is a part of that...the simple fact of the matter is, if someone's making a flat rate of $8 an hour, regardless of how they treat you, they're going to do what they have to to get by, and no more, generally speaking.

 

[Y_lifter]

If everyone were to not tip, then eventually, waiters and waitresses would be paid a higher rate, and service would start to suck.

Super Bada Bing on target... It sucks but this is why it got started..
Same with Sales commisions..

 

[KillahBee]

Okay, look at it another way: yes, in one sense you're subsidizing that employee's wages. However, because every business is out to make money, you're going to pay for that service either way, whether it's in the form of an increase in prices, or tipping.

good point. I just think it is healthy to question these customs that Americans seem to follow with more conviction than actual written laws.

 

[Y_lifter]

What I hate is the tiping customs to people that basically do nothing out of the ordinary customer service wise..

Such as cabbies, bell hops, skycaps, doorman...

I mean, how can you screw up driving or carrying bags to a room or opening a door and hailing a cab ?

 

[TheProject]

What I hate is tiping customs to people the basically do nothing out of the ordinary
customer service wise..

Such as cabbies, bell hops, skycaps, doorman...

I mean, how can you screw up driving or carrying bags to a room or opening a door and hailing a cab ?

My roommate just started working as a wheelchair guy at the airport, and will eventually move on to skycap...the thing is, those are a contract service provided as a convenience to you...not really subsidized by the airline.

You don't HAVE to use them...you can carry your bags yourself.

To me, it's kinda like tipping at Golden Corral...what, you get extra money for filling up my Coke? Big whoop.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I would love to know how this custom came about. I don't get it anymore. For me, you should tip a person when their "service" exceeds expectation, possibly. Somehow we have gotten to the point where we, the customer, are actually paying someone else's payroll for them! How did this happen? Waiters get paid like $2 an hour b/c of this custom of tipping. Therefore, the customer is paying the employee, the boss isn't! It's insanity.

Don't you have an MBA you silly man?

The customer actually saves money. Wait staff typically get paid in the realm of $2.90 per hour, higher in some places, but across the board low.

The customer makes up the difference in tips. If the employer had to pay a market-derived salary, the cost of employees would be like $12 per hour.

Cost of eating at a restaurant would skyrocket. And service would fall.

Back to class with you!


Note: I tip everybody. everybody. a lot.

 

[KillahBee]

Don't you have an MBA you silly man?

The customer actually saves money. Wait staff typically get paid in the realm of $2.90 per hour, higher in some places, but across the board low.

The customer makes up the difference in tips. If the employer had to pay a market-derived salary, the cost of employees would be like $12 per hour.

Cost of eating at a restaurant would skyrocket. And service would fall.

Back to class with you!


Note: I tip everybody. everybody. a lot.

Lmao! True. My original comment wasn't really aimed at the economics of the situation, but rather at the societal issues that are at play here.

Note: I am a very good tipper, if you deserve it.

 

[Y_lifter]

Yea, tipping at buffets is a big WTF?. They are lucky to get a $1 from me.

Haircut Great Clips. #3 sides and back and blend in the top.. 5 min $8
And I'm supposed to tip $2 ? That's 25%

 

[Dougly]

"It's not tipping I believe in, it's over tipping."

 

[KillahBee]

"It's not tipping I believe in, it's over tipping."

I watched that movie the other night. Funny ass film. I first saw it with my family when I was in 6th grade and we had just moved to Ohio (land of the white people). The theater was packed, but when she asked him what his dog's name was and he said, "Fongule", my entire family burst out laughing and realized that not one other person in the entire place cracked a smile cause not one of them had any clue what it meant.

 

[TheProject]

Don't you have an MBA you silly man?

The customer actually saves money. Wait staff typically get paid in the realm of $2.90 per hour, higher in some places, but across the board low.

The customer makes up the difference in tips. If the employer had to pay a market-derived salary, the cost of employees would be like $12 per hour.

Cost of eating at a restaurant would skyrocket. And service would fall.

Back to class with you!


Note: I tip everybody. everybody. a lot.

And I figured this all out by myself, with no MBA! Yay me!

Course, I didn't use fancy terms like "market-derived"...

 

[Y_lifter]

and "realm"

 

[Forge]

I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

Heh, just to clarify I am a very generous tipper. It's just that whenever a conversation about tipping comes up I always think of this quote by Mr. Pink. I'm suprised none of you bors picked up on this...

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

and skyrocket

 

[TheProject]

Heh, just to clarify I am a very generous tipper. It's just that whenever a conversation about tipping comes up I always think of this quote by Mr. Pink. I'm suprised none of you bors picked up on this...

I caught it, I was just trying not to saturate this thread with my brilliance.