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Bulldog_10

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Hey bros...just a quick lawyer question. My buddy got busted a while back, selling weed. He is facing 2 class A felony counts = 7-15 years.

Now, he hired this lawyer...supposedly the best guy in the area, gave the guy $5 grand, and the guy ain't doing shit so far. He'd never around to meet with him, he has his secretary trying to get back the things they seized from my buddy, and he says shit like "what do you want me to do for you? They caught you, there's nothing I can do." He hasn't even found out what evidence they have against my buddy...he thinks they might have been watching him...not sure.

My buddy wants to get it knocked down to a misdemeanor, and this guy doesn't even seem to be trying.

What I want to know is, is this normal? He hasn't been arraigned yet, that's coming up in about a month...so maybe it's a little early for the guy to start working on the case?

I told him to give Rick a call when it first happened, but he's kind of far away...and he needed a lawyer right away, so he went with this guy.

Any of this seem strange to anyone else? Everything my buddy tells me about this guy makes me seem like he is a shitty lawyer...there's more, I just can't think of any examples right now.

Anyways, let me know what you think...
 
My brother had a similar situation. He got busted for assault as a juvenile (although he was attacked first by a guy twice his size who didn't want to press charges), and my parents ended up getting him a reputable pricey lawyer. They paid him 4k upfront, he said it would have been 15k if he was an adult as there is more work involved in adult court. In the end the good pricey lawyer only did what any idiot could have done and was always preoccupied with his other clients.

And my brother got put on house arrest until everything was over, got tried as an adult, got community service, anger management courses, fines, and went to adult prison on weekends while he went to school on weekdays for about a month. This was about the worst case scenerio that could have happened to my brother, except the pricey lawyer was able to entertain with stories of his current and past clients who was beng tried for murder and such. A person should almost ask a lawyer exactly what they will do for you and pay half up front, half later with bonus options depending on how hard the lawyer worked and how well he did.
 
plethos said:
My brother had a similar situation. He got busted for assault as a juvenile (although he was attacked first by a guy twice his size who didn't want to press charges), and my parents ended up getting him a reputable pricey lawyer. They paid him 4k upfront, he said it would have been 15k if he was an adult as there is more work involved in adult court. In the end the good pricey lawyer only did what any idiot could have done and was always preoccupied with his other clients.

And my brother got put on house arrest until everything was over, got tried as an adult, got community service, anger management courses, fines, and went to adult prison on weekends while he went to school on weekdays for about a month. This was about the worst case scenerio that could have happened to my brother, except the pricey lawyer was able to entertain with stories of his current and past clients who was beng tried for murder and such. A person should almost ask a lawyer exactly what they will do for you and pay half up front, half later with bonus options depending on how hard the lawyer worked and how well he did.

Yeah man...this guy sucks. For a guy that insisted he get the $5k right away so he could get started, he ain't doing shit.
 
Go to the website for your state's bar (not bar association) or attorney disciplinary board -- whoever regulates lawyers -- and see what the procedure is for filing a complaint. Criminal attorneys can be real scum -- you have to pay them a lot up front and they know that it will amount to little more than them seeing what the prosecution is willing to offer and trying to bully you into accepting. The less work for them the better. Oftentimes, you are better off with the public defender -- but you'd have to prove you are indigent. You could try though. The public defender oftentimes has a better relationship than the private attorney because they are usually assigned to the same drug court and see each other almost daily.

How much weed was it? Is he a first time offender? If you give me the state I may be able to give you an actual legal answer.

But first you have to wire me $5,000. (Just kidding). Let me know.
 
BBkingpin said:
Go to the website for your state's bar (not bar association) or attorney disciplinary board -- whoever regulates lawyers -- and see what the procedure is for filing a complaint. Criminal attorneys can be real scum -- you have to pay them a lot up front and they know that it will amount to little more than them seeing what the prosecution is willing to offer and trying to bully you into accepting. The less work for them the better. Oftentimes, you are better off with the public defender -- but you'd have to prove you are indigent. You could try though. The public defender oftentimes has a better relationship than the private attorney because they are usually assigned to the same drug court and see each other almost daily.

How much weed was it? Is he a first time offender? If you give me the state I may be able to give you an actual legal answer.

But first you have to wire me $5,000. (Just kidding). Let me know.

hahah...the $5000 is on the way. LOL!

He IS a first time offender, no prior record at all. They stormed his house with guns drawn and found 2 ounces. They also took his $8000 cash, and all the money he had in the back, totalling about $14000. And they took his cell phone ($400).

He lives in New hampshire...the whole reason this happened is because this moron got caught with an eighth and they told him he was going to prison unless he gave someone up...pussy.
 
I see the problems for your friend in that police had an informant and then executed a "buy and bust."

In any event, as in any profession, attorneys will run the gamut from the most diligent to those who just go through the motions (pun intended).

I know that all clients, especially in criminal matters, want their case to be the priority in their attorney's office. The truth of the matter is that the practice of law is also a busines and many attorneys stretch their resources far too thin by assuming more work than they can handle. One of the most notorious omissions is the failure to return phone calls. Knowing that it's commonly done, I always made an effort to be diligent about it, and I've observed Rick make every effort to be available in the late afternoon for phone accessibility. There are always brush fires and the unexepected in the profession; most often a successful law office resembles controlled chaos during a typical day. But attorneys who make no effort do an obvious disservice to the client, and hurt themselves also in the long run. Giving short-shrift to a case is only going to result in less than desirable results and damage that attorney's reputation.


That being said, I'm assuming your friend spoke with others (friends, family acquaintances and other trusted persons in the community) about this attorney's reputation and therefore retained the supposed best attorney in the area for this type of case. In my experience, the best way is to find anyone (attorney, physician, plumber, even a furniture mover) is predicated upon the recommendation of somone who you who know, trust and can value their opinion. To find that person may be just as difficult, if not more so, as finding a good attorney.

In any event, Martindale-Hubbell (www.martindale.com), currently reviews or assigns Ratings for over 100,000 lawyers each year. According to Martindale, presently, 45% of US lawyers in private practice have Martindale-Hubbell Ratings. Further, according to martindale, the rating system is based on the confidential opinions of members of the Bar and the Judiciary, including both those who are rated and those who are not. Confidential questionnaires are sent to lawyers and judges in the same geographic location and/or area of practice as the lawyer being rated. Members of the Bar are instructed to assess their colleague's legal ability and general ethical standards. Now this is the part that I like, lawyers under review are sometimes asked to provide professional references to assist Martindale with the process. Human nature (and a common sense of survival), tells me that these attorneys are in all likelihood going to provide only those references that will provide glowing reviews. That being said, the higest level rating on Martindale is an "AV" rated firm.

It goes without saying that everyone is impressed by the attorney with academic accolades from the most highly-regarded law schools in the nation. But of course these too can be a red-herring. There are just as many, if not more, so-called second-tier law school graduates who are tenacious litigators. Many times the city college graduate is passionate, aggressive, unrelenting and knows how to "work" a jury far more than their Ivy League brethren.

There is an ongoing effort by all Bar associations to encourage pratitioners to contribute to the community by accpeting cases on a pro bono basis. I'm not aware of what is available in New Hampshire, but New York has an 18-b assigned counsel defender program where private practitioners take on these cases for a nominal fee, which essentially amounts to them volunteering their time.

Good luck to your friend,

RW
 
Thanks for all your help RW! I'll check out that site. I'll hit ya with some karma if i can.

Thanks again...
-Bulldog
 
ROID WARRIOR said:
That being said, I'm assuming your friend spoke with others (friends, family acquaintances and other trusted persons in the community) about this attorney's reputation and therefore retained the supposed best attorney in the area for this type of case. In my experience, the best way is to find anyone (attorney, physician, plumber, even a furniture mover) is predicated upon the recommendation of somone who you who know, trust and can value their opinion. To find that person may be just as difficult, if not more so, as finding a good attorney.

This is not always possible, especially if you are fairly new to the community or your friends and family have limited experience or are very discreet about their experiences with lawyers and legal trouble. Even if someone has been in legal trouble before that you know, chances are they can't tell you which lawyers are good and bad ones out of a few dozen to few hundred/thousand depending on where you live.

When I got busted the most advice I could find about lawyers was right in jail. Everybody had an opinion on which lawyers were good or bad: my cellmate, the people who worked there, even the lady who came to see me to figure out what she should recommend for bail. The Martindale-Hubbell reviews looks like a great resource, but I'm sure it is very possible to get a lawyer with a good rating and then get stiffed because of a large work-load, personal issues of his, or other factors I'm sure I'm not even aware of. He may be rated as a good litigator but that doesn't mean much if your case doesn't go to court (they rarely do) or a firm may be rated AV but the person who handles your case may be the new guy they recruited and are testing out on you.

The worst part of it is that they almost always demand their money up front where they get paid no matter what they do or don't do. Then you are not only at the mercy of the legal system, but the lawyer you've already paid as well. You can always fire them, but who has the money for that?
 
A lot of attorneys don't like communicating with their clients... which they are supposed to do, like BBKing said... the ARDC of each state is where you would file a complaint...

I know I have worked for an attorney who made serious attempts to not talk to clients because he woudl "be on on the phone with them for hours" -- at least, he could shoot you an e-mail explaining what he knows ... and his gameplan...

C-ditty
 
Some clients would be satisfied with an e-mail, and yet others would see it as an invitation to flood you with a relentless barrage of phone calls.

Every client believes that their case, no matter how threadbare, is the most important one in your office. Almost every defendant in a civil matter who is being billed on an hourly basis will mercilessly keep you on the phone reiterating the minutae of the discovery process, and the possibilities and likelihoods of the outcome... until they receive your bill and see what those phone conferences have cost them.

I've found that if you've been in practice long enough, you discover that no matter what you do you can't make everybody happy all of the time.

RW
 
When you're paying them several thousands of dollars your case should be treated as if it was one of the most important things he has going. You should be able to be on the phone with them for as long as you want discussing every minute detail and be getting updates on what he knows when and his gameplan and how you can contribute to it. When your paying them many thousands of dollars it isn't chump change, your case should be handled as if they are getting thousands upon thosands of dollars for it, which they usually are. They should go out of their way and work hard for and deserve those thousands you are giving them. If they have too many clients to be treating every one of their cases this importantly, they shouldn't be accepting so many cases.

Few lawyers actually handle their practice this way. It becomes advertising and selling law instead of actually practicing it. Many attorneys take as many cases as possible, get the money up front, and then do just enough to keep their clients from complaining. This was my brother's experience anyway and it it capitalistic greedy business at it's worst. You know the overwhelming majority of politicians are lawyers? That is why I suggested one should almost ask a lawyer exactly what they will do for you and pay half up front, half later with bonus options depending on how hard the lawyer worked and how well he did. If the lawyer doesn't want to handle things this way you can go on to one that will because you can see he isn't going to put in the effort to keep you for that last half of the money or go out of his way to get that bonus.
 
plethos said:
When you're paying them several thousands of dollars your case should be treated as if it was one of the most important things he has going. You should be able to be on the phone with them for as long as you want discussing every minute detail and be getting updates on what he knows when and his gameplan and how you can contribute to it. When your paying them many thousands of dollars it isn't chump change, your case should be handled as if they are getting thousands upon thosands of dollars for it, which they usually are. They should go out of their way and work hard for and deserve those thousands you are giving them. If they have too many clients to be treating every one of their cases this importantly, they shouldn't be accepting so many cases.

Few lawyers actually handle their practice this way. It becomes advertising and selling law instead of actually practicing it. Many attorneys take as many cases as possible, get the money up front, and then do just enough to keep their clients from complaining. This was my brother's experience anyway and it it capitalistic greedy business at it's worst. You know the overwhelming majority of politicians are lawyers? That is why I suggested one should almost ask a lawyer exactly what they will do for you and pay half up front, half later with bonus options depending on how hard the lawyer worked and how well he did. If the lawyer doesn't want to handle things this way you can go on to one that will because you can see he isn't going to put in the effort to keep you for that last half of the money or go out of his way to get that bonus.

Exactly! I don't want to hear lawyers complaining that they're on the phone too long or some bullshit like that...especially if I just handed over $5000. If you don't have time, take less clients...or how about if the case isn't that important, charge less.

Most laywers suck, unless you know them...in my experience at least.
 
In a perfect world, anabolic-androgenic steroids would be legal for sale for cosmetic purposes, there would be peace in the Middle East, we'd all have 21 inch guns at 3 percent bodyfat, I'd be waking-up next to Monica Brant, and all lawyers could devote 24/7 to one banal, vapid discon case.

There has always been a popular misconception, perhaps fueled by Hollywood, that everyone in the profession is a courtroom virtuoso who is showered with good fortune. The fact of the matter is that it is grossly overcrowded, ferocioulsy competitive, often very unrewarding and the source of a great deal of hearthache and disappointment. And before you say that you know plenty of obnoxious shysters with money, there are plenty of good, kind-hearted, well-intentioned ones who are struggling. Hold on, I can't believe I'm actually coming to the defense of the profession.

In any event, an attorney receiving a substantial retainer in advance is most often in the criminal defense area of the practice. The reason why should be obvious. But this is not the rule.

In fact, attorneys representing plaintiffs in bodily injury litigation accept absolutely no money in advance to handle a clients case. These cases are taken on a contingency fee basis, and counsel can invest hundres of billable hours, absorb fees for court filings, medical exams, diagnostic tests, physical therapy, examinations before trial, expert testimony and incidental expenses. They can proceed all the way through to trial and verdict and, if there is a defense verdict, recover nothing and have to absorb that as a loss. In New York, generally speaking, the average bodily injury case proceeds through the discovery process and is placed on the trial calendar in the course of about three years. More complex medical malpractice and products liability cases will generally take about four years. Of course, during that time they have to maintain an office, pay rent, pay salaries for staff and feed themselves. That's a lot of time and money to invest for no return.

Attorneys representing the defendant in these actions operate on an hourly billing basis. Time is truly money in this instance. An attorney is only paid for billable hours, as such, sullen, associates in these firms can peevishly recount the myriad of all-nighters and weekends sequestered in the office in the hunt for the elusive 2300 hour minimum billing. And if they don't meet the minimum billing, out they go. Each year there's a bumper crop of eager new grads, up to their asses in school loans, who will do the work even cheaper. Moreover, generally speaking, where these firms have been retained by an insurance carrier to defend, the rates are far lower than that which is generally charged in the community. As such, partners wives still have their suburban homes, Mercedes sedans and country club luncheons, but the associates get squeezed. Despite the foregoing, many attorneys practice this type of law because they're good at it and they feel passionate about their cause. Being passionate about something is rare in the fast food, instant gratification, in-your-face "me generation" world of today.

Granted, by and large, attorneys are generally a despicable, loathesome lot that deserve the plethora of pajorative jokes directed at them. That having been said, over the course of my lifetime I haven't seen anyone in any other business conduct themselves any differently. When I bring my luxury sedan in for repair I want it to be handled with velvet gloves, buffed with a fine chamois and treated like it's the only one in the garage; when I go to the doctor for some follow-up bloodwork after a cycle I want him to drop everything else and go line by line over the report from SGOT to LDL like I'm the only one in the world; when I go for sushi, I want the chef to painstakingly slice it with a razor until it's transparent; But they don't.

From now on, I'm going to adopt the "I'm the only one in the world approach." So, when I get to the squat rack at the gym tonight I'll take all the time I want. I don't care if you're standing behind me waiting. To hell with you, I paid my dues, and I'm the only person in the world.

RW
 
I try to spend as much time as possible telling a client where they stand from the beginning ... and tell them that i will keep them updated as I find out information...

I at least take the call, or tell them to send me an e-mail... sometimes, there aren't any developments for weeks... and since I take the time to totally lay out the strategy from the beginning... they feel like they aren't in the dark.

Most importantly, I lay it out in terms they can understand... I tend to say "that muther fucker" and "dirtbag" alot... it makes them feel like you are going to do a good job... which I do...

C-ditty
 
Update:

The arraignment was today...the lawyer didn't go. Is that normal? He also said my buddy didn't have to go either. So no one went.
 
My firm is regularly appointed to investigate grievances against lawyers on behalf of our county bar association. The most common complaint is the lawyer's failure to communicate, particularly the failure to return phone calls. Too many lawyers are notorious for this, and it really sucks. Client calls should be returned the same day, or at worst within 24 hours. Period.

Anecdotally, I see a very high level of job dissatisfaction and general malaise among lawyers. It may be a cause of their crappy client relations. I can't express how grateful I am and how unbelievably fortunate I feel to have the practice I do.
 
Rick Collins said:
My firm is regularly appointed to investigate grievances against lawyers on behalf of our county bar association. The most common complaint is the lawyer's failure to communicate, particularly the failure to return phone calls. Too many lawyers are notorious for this, and it really sucks. Client calls should be returned the same day, or at worst within 24 hours. Period.

Anecdotally, I see a very high level of job dissatisfaction and general malaise among lawyers. It may be a cause of their crappy client relations. I can't express how grateful I am and how unbelievably fortunate I feel to have the practice I do.

Rick, just curious...do you only handle cases in NY?
 
ROID WARRIOR said:
From now on, I'm going to adopt the "I'm the only one in the world approach." So, when I get to the squat rack at the gym tonight I'll take all the time I want. I don't care if you're standing behind me waiting. To hell with you, I paid my dues, and I'm the only person in the world.

RW
If you're giving them many thousands of dollars for their service, then by all means you should.

Bulldog_10 said:
Update:

The arraignment was today...the lawyer didn't go. Is that normal? He also said my buddy didn't have to go either. So no one went.
Not sure, it may depend on the jurisdiction and the seriousness of the complaint. But I would assume somebody should be there to argue on your behalf!
 
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Rick Collins said:
My firm is regularly appointed to investigate grievances against lawyers on behalf of our county bar association. The most common complaint is the lawyer's failure to communicate, particularly the failure to return phone calls. Too many lawyers are notorious for this, and it really sucks. Client calls should be returned the same day, or at worst within 24 hours. Period.

Anecdotally, I see a very high level of job dissatisfaction and general malaise among lawyers. It may be a cause of their crappy client relations. I can't express how grateful I am and how unbelievably fortunate I feel to have the practice I do.

LOL -- I was unhappy at my firm because my boss was an asshole...

C-ditty
 
Oddly enough, in some jurisdictions the "arraignment" on minor crimes where bail/bond isn't an issue is customarily accomplished merely by the attorney's filing a Notice of Appearance in advance. Maybe that's what happened here.

To answer Bulldog's question, I've been involved in cases across the country, either as lead counsel, as associate counsel, or as a consultant. I've been licensed to practice in New York state courts since 1985, and am also admitted in a variety of federal district courts (including W. Dist. Texas), in the Second Circuit, and in other federal appeals courts. I've also been admitted pro hac vice to handle cases in Maryland and California.
 
Rick Collins said:
Oddly enough, in some jurisdictions the "arraignment" on minor crimes where bail/bond isn't an issue is customarily accomplished merely by the attorney's filing a Notice of Appearance in advance. Maybe that's what happened here.

To answer Bulldog's question, I've been involved in cases across the country, either as lead counsel, as associate counsel, or as a consultant. I've been licensed to practice in New York state courts since 1985, and am also admitted in a variety of federal district courts (including W. Dist. Texas), in the Second Circuit, and in other federal appeals courts. I've also been admitted pro hac vice to handle cases in Maryland and California.

I only ask because my first reaction when he told me this was "Rick Collins," but you being in NY and my buddy being in NH, that probably wasn't feasible. Especially since they told him he'd need a lawyer right away...so he just went with a local guy.
 
Update:

Earlier this week the lawyer's secretary calls my buddy, and says they've scheduled a meeting with the NH task force (the guys that arrested him) to talk about a plea bargain. Well the meeting was today...my buddy went, no task force, no plea bargain...nothing.

The lawyer told my buddy that he doesn't even know what evidence they have against him! What the hell has he been doing with the $5 grand? He cashed the check last week.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Update:

Earlier this week the lawyer's secretary calls my buddy, and says they've scheduled a meeting with the NH task force (the guys that arrested him) to talk about a plea bargain. Well the meeting was today...my buddy went, no task force, no plea bargain...nothing.

The lawyer told my buddy that he doesn't even know what evidence they have against him! What the hell has he been doing with the $5 grand? He cashed the check last week.

It really sucks to be left in the dark... I'm not sure exactly where you are in the process of the prosecution... and I can't remember if you/your friend have even been charged with anything yet? formally? -- Sorry, I just caught on your update -- forgot about the rest of the thread. :(

Anyway... I've known some prosecutors to hold off on what they tell you until they workout some sort of plea ... but typically they have to turn everything they have over in a discovery before it goes to trial ... to allow you to present a fair defense.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:


It really sucks to be left in the dark... I'm not sure exactly where you are in the process of the prosecution... and I can't remember if you/your friend have even been charged with anything yet? formally? -- Sorry, I just caught on your update -- forgot about the rest of the thread. :(

Anyway... I've known some prosecutors to hold off on what they tell you until they workout some sort of plea ... but typically they have to turn everything they have over in a discovery before it goes to trial ... to allow you to present a fair defense.

C-ditty

Yeah...this guy really seems to be a shitty lawyer. He had my buddy thinking tonight was the night he was going to find out the whole deal and get a plea bargain and be done with it...then it ends up being nothing. And the lawyer doesn't know shit about what's going on...

I'm not sure about the legal process at all...so I'm not even sure if this is normal..it just seems off.

Citrus...the arraignment was about 2-3 weeks ago...should the lawyer know more about what's going on by now?
 
Cases Against Accused Attorneys Drag On
Discipline System Criticized as Being Too Slow and Padded With Protections

By Lena H. Sun
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 16, 2003; Page A12


Wayward probate lawyers are rarely punished by the District's attorney discipline system, even when they have broken the law, violated ethical standards or failed their clients. When it does punish, the system is inconsistent and slow, giving accused lawyers so many protections that cases can drag on for as long as nine years, according to court records and interviews.

"You get more due process in the disciplinary system than a first-degree murder defendant," said Mark Foster, a former chairman of the Board on Professional Responsibility, which is appointed by the D.C. Court of Appeals. "The system is created by lawyers for lawyers."

Prosecutors recommended in 2000 that Eugene Austin be disbarred after they said he duped an elderly woman out of nearly $27,000. A hearing committee agreed with the disbarment. Austin did not object by the deadline. But the board -- seven lawyers and two non-lawyers who rule on attorney misconduct -- refused to disbar him. Instead, it recommended an 18-month suspension.

Stunned, the D.C. Office of Bar Counsel, which prosecutes ethical violations, appealed.

"If . . . clear and convincing evidence that a lawyer engaged in fraudulent and predatory acts directed at an elderly, uneducated and vulnerable client is not enough to place a lawyer's moral fitness to practice law at issue, Bar Counsel is at a loss to understand what would," wrote Assistant Bar Counsel Julia Porter in her appeal this past October, now pending before the D.C. Court of Appeals.

Austin said he thought he was acting lawfully and has asked the appeals court for lenient treatment.

Attorney discipline systems nationwide have long been criticized for being too slow, too secretive and too insular. Last year, a D.C.-based legal reform advocacy group, HALT, surveyed disciplinary systems nationwide and found a "wide pattern of delay, secrecy and toothless sanctions that amount to a national disgrace," according to its report. Thirty-nine jurisdictions received grades below C, including the District, Maryland and Virginia.

Last year, the D.C. Office of Bar Counsel received 1,393 complaints about attorneys in all types of cases. Typically, more than half are dismissed without a formal investigation, officials said, because they do not allege ethical violations. The office investigated 41 percent of the complaints last year, or 575 cases. Of those, 41 were probate cases.

Among those formally investigated in an average year, fewer than 10 percent will go through the entire disciplinary process, with charges, referral to a hearing committee and review by the board. Discipline ranges from an informal letter admonishing the lawyer to disbarment.

Over the past decade, 12 probate attorneys have been disbarred.

Carrie Fair, who was appointed to handle an estate and distribute about $44,000 among 13 heirs, was recommended for disbarment in 1999. Disciplinary documents indicate that she paid herself $6,600 in fees from the estate without seeking court permission.

It was not until nearly 11 years after her 1987 appointment that Fair distributed the funds. She later told a hearing committee that bureaucratic delays in the probate court were partly to blame. The heirs, mostly elderly and some in dire financial need, wrote Fair more than 30 letters asking about their money.

"I need oil to burn & a top on my house & I get nothing but a little S.S. check & I would surly thank you if you get the checks out this month because I am in need badly," wrote one elderly cousin, Marie Bryant of Ahoskie, N.C. She and several other heirs died before receiving any money.

One business day before her disciplinary hearing in 1998, Fair sent out the first checks -- for $3,800 each.

Fair did not respond to telephone calls or a letter delivered to her Silver Spring home.

The hearing committee concluded that she had not misappropriated money, noting it was accepted at that time for attorneys to pay themselves and request permission later. It recommended that she be suspended for 60 days. The disciplinary board, however, found that she had misappropriated funds and urged that she be disbarred. But the D.C. Court of Appeals rejected disbarment, instead suspending her for 14 months. The court said the D.C. Council had later eliminated the need for trustees to get prior court approval to pay themselves.

Under court rules, the disciplinary board has five weeks to hold a hearing, but lawyers say it often takes as long as three months. The hearing committee has 60 days to issue a report, but that can take up to two years. Of 24 cases awaiting hearing committee reports this spring, 14 were overdue, the board said.

"The disciplinary system is very slow to work," said Leonard Becker, a former bar counsel. "The delays don't do anybody any good -- not the lawyer nor the complaining party nor the court system."

Board Chairman Joanne Doddy Fort blamed the delays on understaffing, lack of resources and a system that relies on lawyers to volunteer their time.

It took nearly two years for a hearing committee to issue its report on lawyer Eugene Austin.

His client, Lettie Saunders, was a 73-year-old retired cleaning woman with a fifth-grade education, living on an annual Social Security income of less than $6,000. She hired Austin to help her get reimbursed $26,709 for payments she had made on her late brother's mortgage.

Austin, whose law practice was failing, knew Saunders had limited assets because he persuaded her to take out a second loan on her home and had filled out the financial papers. Then, over a two-year period, he took most of her life savings through 10 "loans" he sought from her, totaling about $27,000, hearing committee records show.

In 1997, before closing his law practice and moving to Georgia, Austin repaid Saunders just $1,700. The D.C. Bar's Client Security Fund later reimbursed Saunders about $29,000.

"He kind of took advantage of me because I told him I wasn't educated so I would have to trust him to do right by me," Saunders said. "I don't think he should be able to do things and get away with it."

Austin said in a telephone interview that he had planned to repay her but didn't have the cash and had to care for ailing relatives. He borrowed the money, he said, "in the mistaken belief that it was legit."

The board said he engaged in "morally reprehensible conduct" and "enriched himself at his client's expense." But it overruled the hearing committee, which wanted Austin disbarred, saying that because he had intended to repay Saunders, there wasn't enough evidence to disbar him. It also pointed out that the misconduct involved "the mistreatment of a single client by an experienced attorney with no prior history of discipline."

In a blistering dissent, board member Paul Knight, a former federal prosecutor, said, "I see no reason why the Board should bestow on [Austin] the gift of an 18-month suspension when [Austin] himself does not object to his disbarment."

The case is pending before the appeals court.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62884-2003Jun15.html
 
I'll simply add my two cents' worth. I'm licensed in Missouri and Kansas, as far as credential go.

The two best things you can do as an attorney for your client is 1. be up front about a worst case scenerio 2. Significantly beat the worse case scenerio. A brief note about reteiners . . . I have taken many cases from people who promised to pay. Consequently I have acounts receiveable in excess of $50,000 right now.

Perhaps more informative information follows, and is applicable in Missouri, and to some degree, Kansas.

Procedurally speaking, if you are charged with a felony here's what you can expect: Of course at some point you are either arrested or ortherwise notified of charges against you. If you suspect charges will be filed, it is a good idea to get a lawyer immediately - who can kep in contact with the Sheriff. The prevents you from actually getting arrested (at work, church, on a date, etc) and lets you turn yourself in having arranged for bond, and get the hell out within a couple of hours, vs. a few days.

After you have been arrested or otherwise formally notified of the charges against you, there is a formal araignment. Most criminal defense attorneys will waive this for two reasons: first, the formal arraignment is simply a reading of the charges against you in open court. Most people don't want everyone in the Courtroom knowing what they're being charged with. Second, it is less work for the prosecutor that way, which will bode well for you in plea negotiations.

After the formal arraignment, the case is set for preliminary hearing. The preliminary hearing is simply a hearing where the prosecution must show by a preponderance of the evidence that there is sufficient evidence to establish probable cause for setting the case for trial. In other words, the prosecution must show that there is at least some quantum of evidence to proceed on to trial. This step is designed to be a check on powers of prosecutors - kind of a hoop to jump through. The prosecutor must convince the judge (no jury at this stage) that there is sufficient evidence to make it to trial. If ther eis truly no case, a good criminal defense atty will let the prosecutor know they will seek to have the case dismissed at preliminary hearing. But since the burden of proof is very low for the prosecutor, if there is at least some evidence against you, your atty will often times waive preliminary hearing and seek a trial setting. This accomplishes a couple of things too. First, this takes the prosecutor off the hook as far as preparing a case - in short, the prosecutor can, and will procrastinate in preparing the case for trial. Second, and again, by keeping the prosecutor from having to do much work, you aviod having a highly motivated prosecution against you. And bear in mind, most good criminal defense attorneys do have a good relationship with prosecutors . . .

The formal arraignment and preliminary hearing are both in the associate division of the circuit court. To simplify things, the associate division is in some ways similar to a magistrate division - a "kid brother" to the circuit division. The biggest distinctions are that an associate division judge can arraign and hold a preliminary hearing, but cannot entertain guilty pleas on a felony. they can entertain guilty pleas on a misdemeanor though.


After the preliminary hearing is heard or waived typically the case is set for a status appearance at the circuit court level. Often times a plea bargain is reached at this point. The plea is usually reached at this point because 1. A plea bargain can't be heard in felony cases at the associate court level, so this is the first time the Court can actually enter the guilty plea; 2. The prosecutor wil have to start preparing the case for trial soon after this point, and it's far easier for them to negotiate a plea than to prepare for trial; 3. The case at this point has gone far enough that the prosecutor knows the strength of his case and the strength of the defense attorney, and the mentality of the elected County prosecutor toward the particular offense (ie. meth cooking and selling generally gets punished harshly with little room for pleas, while possession of pot for personal use cases generally allow a lot of discretion in plea agreements to "underling" prosecutors.)

At the end of the status appearance in the circuit court, the case is usually set for trial. The trial date will be the final incentive to get a plea bargain entered, in that both sides will actually have to prepare the case for hearing - and remember very few cases are actually tried. If there is a problem with evidence or your attorney has a good case to establish reasonable doubt as to your guilt, that can leverage a very good plea on your behalf. Obviously the better your case, the greater the likelihood that your attorney may advise you to stand trial in expectation of an acquittal - individual cases all vary on quantum of proof and expected outcomes though.

Obviously, if the case plea bargains, instead of a trial, you will face the judge, who approves or modifies the plea recommendation of the prosecutor. It is good practice as an attorney to be knowledgeable as to whether local judges are prone to augmenting or reducing prosecutorial recommendations on pleas. Ask you attorney about this if you have any questions - if your attorney can't answer it, find another atty asap. Many defendants are promised a "deal" from the prosecutor which quickly sours as a judge adds conditions, and potentialy jail time to it.

If no plea is reached, buckle in and prepare for trial. That's a whole post topic by itself though.

Finally, there are jurisdictions where prosecutors are "ultra conservative." Cass COunty Missouri, for example, has a prosecutor who is cut from the same cloth as Ashcroft - and will only offer ridiculous pleas that no one would take - for instance two years jail and a felony conviction on the record for possession of pot. If you are in one of these jurisdictions, your attorney may advise you to enter a "blind plea" - pleading guilty to the judge without benefit of a deal from the prosecutor and just letting the judge set the sentence. Judges rountinely will give a far lesser sentence if you do this than if you go to trial and are found guilty - again, a good attorney will know what the judge is likely to do.

In "blind plea" cases, the judge will hear the guilty plea, then refer you to a probation officer who conducts a "pre-sentence investigation," which includes a recommendation for sentencing. Obviously this involves risks, but if your case is weak and the prosecutor is motivated, this is a good option. Again, before agreeing to do this, make damn sure your atty knows what he or she is doing.

This stuff is just basic procedure, but might alleviate some insecurities about what is going to happen at each stage of the game. If nothing else, if your attorney can't explain any of that to you, you might consider hiring someone else.

As an after thought - two more terms that might be of interest are "suspended imposition of sentence" (SIS) and "suspended execution of sentence"(SES) BOth are used in cases where probation of some sort is used, however the distinction is well worth noting. A "suspended imposition of sentence" means that there is an underlying "sentence" of some punishment that is waiting if you violate the terms of your probation - usually like 30 days in prison or something like that. A suspended imposition of sentence, however, also means that if you successfully somplete probation, the conviction is not on the record - which is extremely important if it's a felony - for job purposes, military, etc. A suspended "execution" of sentence is the same as suspended impositon fo sentence, with the huge exception that the conviction is on the record no matter what. If it's a felony, you'll have a felony on your record. period. In short, if your atty can get you a (SIS) over a (SES), he or she has done you a significant service, as far as your record and future employability go.
 
Thanks for your excellent input on Missouri and Kansas procedure (worth much more than your "two cents' worth"!). Each state has its own criminal justice procedures (and its own names for iits various courts, types of hearings, sentence deals, etc.). While there are some significant variations from state to state, your comments are generally instructive in many jurisdictions.
 
Thanks beanball...I'm gonna hit ya with a karma blast!

Here's the latest:

They offered him a plea bargain, but it seems a little strange to me, actually very strange. They said that he could either plead guilty to a misdemeanor and spend 2 months+ in jail...or he could plead guilty to one felony count and walk free. How the HELL does that work? Makes no sense to me.

Well, either way...he didn't want to do either of those...so they're gonna wait for something else to come along. The lawyer is now saying that there is a good chance that he can get him off with no felony and no jailtime, which would be fucking AWESOME!

Thanks again for everyone's help...:)
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Thanks beanball...I'm gonna hit ya with a karma blast!

Here's the latest:

They offered him a plea bargain, but it seems a little strange to me, actually very strange. They said that he could either plead guilty to a misdemeanor and spend 2 months+ in jail...or he could plead guilty to one felony count and walk free. How the HELL does that work? Makes no sense to me.

Well, either way...he didn't want to do either of those...so they're gonna wait for something else to come along. The lawyer is now saying that there is a good chance that he can get him off with no felony and no jailtime, which would be fucking AWESOME!

Thanks again for everyone's help...:)

They sure gave him a hard choice. 2 months in prison sucks but a felony will follow him forever.
 
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