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[testcyp007]

ok, here i go, want to gain some muscle, but i will still be doing alot of cardio

how should i run this

test prop(can get as much as i need)
50ccs fina 100mg
50 ccs of 50mg winstrol

or should i try something else



1st cycle sust 250 mg a week for 10 weeks
2nd cycle 500mg sust 400mg eq a week for 10 weeks

5'11 198 15%bf

 

[Corleone]

I would say around 100mg's of prop a day along with 50mg's tren a day(no point in going higher since this is only your third cycle.

I would also throw the winny in at 50mg/day

So something like

1-12 weeks 700mg/week prop
1-12 50mg/day tren
5-12 50mg/day winny

You'll get some nice gains from this especially since your last two cycles were moderate. Remember though tren will mess with your cardio capacity, so don't be surprised if you burn out quicker than usual.

 

[Johnny Cut]

why dont u get some profina or make your own

 

[rrwwdd]

I like what corleone has but I would run the fina 100mg ed for 50 days, 12 weeks is too long.

 

[Spidey]

I like what corleone has but I would run the fina 100mg ed for 50 days, 12 weeks is too long.

Why is that too long? Fonz just completed a 48 week fina cycle at 100 mg ed and his liver and kidney values were in the normal range. Not that I am advocating 48 weeks of any AS but it goes to show that much of the hype and rumors about fina being so harsh has no basis in reality. As long as he takes a few supps to help out (ALA for the liver, etc.), he should be fine with 12 weeks of fina at 50 mg ed.

Secondly, since this his first time using fina and he isn't sure how his body will react, 100 mg ed is way too much. The risk of all the uncomfortable sides like insomnia, muscle cramps, fina cough, high BP and night sweats is greatly increased at that dosage vs. 50 mg ed. It would be more prude3nt IMO to start at 50 mg ed for a few weeks and if that isn't doing enough for you, up it to 75 mg ed. Fina isn't for everyone. I had great results with minimum sides on 50 mg ed for 8 weeks but I know of others who couldn't handle even 37.5 mg ed; they just felt like shit.

Be sure to include some liquidex with that much test. The combination of aromatizable test with PR binding fina (which also may upregulate estrogen receptors) is a gyno problem waiting to happen. It would be wise to keep 4 to 5 months worth of nolva on hand as well.

 

[Corleone]

I think the traditional theory of keeping tren cycles short is based on the theory that it is a very harsh drug on your body.

I've done a few cycles of tren, and I don't see the effects on the body. It's not 17aa so it's not killing your liver, and the rumor of being hard on the kidneys has never been proven. I think fonz said he had high cholesterol from fina, so that has to be taken into consideration, and I would never advocate going a year with any drug, but fonz is the resident board guinea pig

The effects of the tren will not diminish after 6 weeks, in fact I'm willing to bet you'll get as good of gains from 6-12 as you got form the first six weeks. I just started what will be a 16 week tren cycle.

50mg's is a high enough dose for any first time tren user. . .remember it is 3 times more androgenic than test. You don't need to do 75-150mg's a day, I believe those are for more advance users, but if your body tolerates it well you can alway's experiment with a higher dose.

Good luck and be safe. If you get prolactin sides add a small amount of bromocriptine and as alway's with any test cycle you should keep some arimidex or at least nolva on hand.

 

[testcyp007]

i wa going to run like either 50mg prop aday or 100mg EOD for * week, so i dont gain to much water, just want a kick and a little boost. which is beter, 50ED or 100EOD, ill be making my own fina with about 50ccs at 76mg'ml so i will do 76ml EOD for a while then up to ED for about 8 weeks, what yall think about that