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drveejay11
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I hear mixed reviews on it's efficacy. Anyone have any comments from personal experience?????
Kynoselen.......who's used it???
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drveejay11
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I'm quite sure SOMEONE will ask, so......
Kynoselen:
Originally used by vets to inhibit protein breakdown (catabolism) in animals, this peculiar drug soon found its way into bodies of AIDS patients who desperately needed something to prevent their bodies from breaking down protein.
Kynoselen is different than steroids and induces many very important physiological processes all bodybuilders love. Increased anabolism/anti-catabolism, increased ATP production and reduced body fat levels. Kynoselen is a very popular contest prep drug in France.
Kynoselen is a vitamin/mineral supplement, not a testosterone related anabolic steroid like you might expect. Kynoselen is a new drug; and nobody has been able to precisely explain how it works. However, it's the belief by some in the scientific community that one of Kynoselen's key ingredients, adenosine monophosphate (AMP) is the main reason for its popularity with bodybuilders.
They believe that AMP acts as a signaling compound that instructs the muscle cell to initiate protein synthesis. This makes a lot of sense because increased AMP levels have been shown to dramatically increase a master enzyme that controls virtually all cellular activity.
Some bodybuilders are using Kynoselen for site injections, similar to synthol site injections. But generally most do subcutaneus injection (under the skin, like an insulin injection).
The general "gym doseage" is about 1 ml per day for a 200 lb. bodybuilder
Kynoselen:
Originally used by vets to inhibit protein breakdown (catabolism) in animals, this peculiar drug soon found its way into bodies of AIDS patients who desperately needed something to prevent their bodies from breaking down protein.
Kynoselen is different than steroids and induces many very important physiological processes all bodybuilders love. Increased anabolism/anti-catabolism, increased ATP production and reduced body fat levels. Kynoselen is a very popular contest prep drug in France.
Kynoselen is a vitamin/mineral supplement, not a testosterone related anabolic steroid like you might expect. Kynoselen is a new drug; and nobody has been able to precisely explain how it works. However, it's the belief by some in the scientific community that one of Kynoselen's key ingredients, adenosine monophosphate (AMP) is the main reason for its popularity with bodybuilders.
They believe that AMP acts as a signaling compound that instructs the muscle cell to initiate protein synthesis. This makes a lot of sense because increased AMP levels have been shown to dramatically increase a master enzyme that controls virtually all cellular activity.
Some bodybuilders are using Kynoselen for site injections, similar to synthol site injections. But generally most do subcutaneus injection (under the skin, like an insulin injection).
The general "gym doseage" is about 1 ml per day for a 200 lb. bodybuilder
Parabellum
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I've heard the same thing. Some people love it but most say it's worthless, oh and the injection area hurts like hell.
From what I understand it's a certain cc amount per bodyweight and the heaver you are the more your injecting on a daily basis. maybe the naysayers are just not getting the needed amount.
From what I understand it's a certain cc amount per bodyweight and the heaver you are the more your injecting on a daily basis. maybe the naysayers are just not getting the needed amount.
drveejay11
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Parabellum said:
Good point Parabellum.......it's definitely an "intriguing" product based on its method of action in the body.
IMO: Anything that causes an anablic state w/o forcing flux in androgenic hormone levels (IGF/GH/??Kyno??/creatine/ALA/etc....) is extremely appealing aninvaluable in some respects!!!
liftsiron
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I used kyno before anyone on the boards were even talking about it, like 10 years ago. I went up to 3cc's ed without any noticeable effect at all. I mean nana. I don't know maybe if I had injected 6-8-10cc's a day I may have had noticeable gains who knows? At that time though kyno was new to the USA and the price was sky high. I got more from 1AD than kyno and that is no bullshit.
drveejay11
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thanks LI
drgoodbody
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Took a shot of kyno and B12 this morning in my right quad. Just a couple cc's of kyno. I've been using along with B12 as sort of an energy aid. Frankly, I've seen no anabolic affects, but I do think it boosts my metabolism more than just B12 (seems to help me eat more and not gain as much fat). Before you ask, I've been using it like this for about 6 months.
And yes, injecting straight kyno will cause some knotting and soreness. That's why I mix mine with B12 or sometimes L-Carnitine (although that hurts more).
DrG
And yes, injecting straight kyno will cause some knotting and soreness. That's why I mix mine with B12 or sometimes L-Carnitine (although that hurts more).
DrG
jasonstrong
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liftsiron said:
Ditto I did the same thing when I got tired of sticking myself for nothing.
Went through 200 cc's of kyno in about 4.5 weeks popping 6 cc's daily...plus that stuff had a slight burn and sting to it.
Never felt anything other than a very slight endurance and energy increase..I personally got more results from good 'ol
B-12.
[email protected]
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Bull, never had any pain in the leg. Injected 3cc into my bicep and wanted to die but that was my own stupidity pushing in 3cc.
For the price why not just use it. We use creatine, protein, but stupid shit like RALA, so why not just use it. It’s shown to HELP muscle so even if you piss it out who cares. I need all the help I can get.
matto18
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"For the price why not just use it. We use creatine, protein, but stupid shit like RALA, so why not just use it. It’s shown to HELP muscle so even if you piss it out who cares. I need all the help I can get."
is this a joke? i want no part of paying out my ass to stick myself with something ineffective and painful. but whatever floats yer boat.
i've asked about kyno a couple times on this board and most seem to tell me what you guys have said already. i do seem to remember some odd guy saying it worked wonders for him. but i myself have no firsthand knowledge on the subject...
is this a joke? i want no part of paying out my ass to stick myself with something ineffective and painful. but whatever floats yer boat.
i've asked about kyno a couple times on this board and most seem to tell me what you guys have said already. i do seem to remember some odd guy saying it worked wonders for him. but i myself have no firsthand knowledge on the subject...
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Paying out your ass? Are you working in a McDonalds? This stuff costs about what a dinner costs. If you think sticking yourself is painful then you need not even concern yourself with real gear.
For the record I have yet to have a painful injection site from this.
liquidmuscle
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when i was in mx this past august i ran into a fellow body builder @ the veterinarian shop, he said he loves that shit and its so cheap he didnt know why i havent used it yet...my reason not enough ppl using it...now fina thats used probably as much as test i dont mind using that but kyno ...well not quite yet
matto18
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"Paying out your ass? Are you working in a McDonalds? This stuff costs about what a dinner costs. If you think sticking yourself is painful then you need not even concern yourself with real gear."
nope. don't work at mac d's, but i am a student and budgeting myself is key at the moment. i just think it would be common sense not to buy supplements that probably won't benefit me much. not many people seem to jump out of their seats advocating it either. why should i shoot this shit into me (especially after reading everyone's posts about it).
that "real gear" comment was also pretty badass. i honestly envy you and your hardcore training.. if i could only just suck you off or somethin dude... you big sexy animal.
nope. don't work at mac d's, but i am a student and budgeting myself is key at the moment. i just think it would be common sense not to buy supplements that probably won't benefit me much. not many people seem to jump out of their seats advocating it either. why should i shoot this shit into me (especially after reading everyone's posts about it).
that "real gear" comment was also pretty badass. i honestly envy you and your hardcore training.. if i could only just suck you off or somethin dude... you big sexy animal.
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meathead12
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Kynoselen is a pretty cool product. I cant say that you'll pack on the mass like you would from steroids, but if you use it right it worth the what...$25?
I've used it between cycles only. 2cc's between 1.5 and .5 hour before training. I get a really strong pump, if anyone has ever taken NO2, it kinda like that.
I've only used it between my last 2 cycles and i think it helps me not to lose strength and size. I've always held onto my gains, but with the Kynoselen i dont get that flat off-cycle feeling in the gym.
I dont think its worth taking while on steroids, but in between cycles and durring post cycle i like it. I think that most people dont get the benefits because the take it in the morning and dont workout untill after work, or just too long before a workout. ! hour is perfect...at least for me.
I've used it between cycles only. 2cc's between 1.5 and .5 hour before training. I get a really strong pump, if anyone has ever taken NO2, it kinda like that.
I've only used it between my last 2 cycles and i think it helps me not to lose strength and size. I've always held onto my gains, but with the Kynoselen i dont get that flat off-cycle feeling in the gym.
I dont think its worth taking while on steroids, but in between cycles and durring post cycle i like it. I think that most people dont get the benefits because the take it in the morning and dont workout untill after work, or just too long before a workout. ! hour is perfect...at least for me.
PBR
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using right now at 2cc per day....increase in strength is noticible but definitely not dramatic...appetite is up...mood is up....pumps are great as is endurance....vascularity is up....been on for 3 wks...will add 1/2cc and run a total of 2 1/2cc per day.....Iam using slin pins in the quad and have had no ill effects or soreness at all.....
PBR said:
Kynoselen activates C-aMP. Cyclic adenosine Monophosphate, leading to greater(in theory) fat loss.
Another drug which activates C-aMP is ephedrine. But epedrine does this via beta adrenoreceptor mediated stimulation.
What Kynoselen was theorized to do was that it raised C-aMP levels, w/o targeting the thyroid.(Ephedrine increases T4-T3 conversion)...therefore it was a great drug to use when off stimulants/Thyroid meds.
Problem is, that the body has a feedback loop for increased levels of C-aMP, so Kynoselen peters out after 2 weeks or so. Kind of like Clen.
All in all, not a worthwhile drug to use.
Fonz
Kyno's more of a novelty than anything else IMO. I do notice increased energy while on and maybe a little fat loss, but that's about it. Definetaly not something that I would go out of my way to get, but for the price and the fact that it's delivered to my door, send me two.
TPH said:
LOL...Trust me...it was the Tren and Prop doing that! Not the kyno!
emeraldkisses
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check out http://www.equineenterprises.net/
they have kynoselen (real stuff with
AMP (adenosine monophosphate)
HEPTAMINOL
VITAMIN B12 (cyanocobalamin) .
SELENIUM
MAGNESIUM ASPARTATE
POTASSIUM ASPARTATE
Also check out the other supplements. wondering about adding a few to my list.
they have kynoselen (real stuff with
AMP (adenosine monophosphate)
HEPTAMINOL
VITAMIN B12 (cyanocobalamin) .
SELENIUM
MAGNESIUM ASPARTATE
POTASSIUM ASPARTATE
Also check out the other supplements. wondering about adding a few to my list.
norcalbengal
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Has anyone ever taken this stuff orally...A bro in my gym said he was taking it along w/creatine and 1Ad, but he was taking 3ccs orally...
