kickstarts and backloading ?

[nickb86]

Just theorising really, but was thinking about using different tests and esters to maximise the time on cycle and gains.
I am not a big fan of the sound of orals (at the present) and would prefer to inject indervidual products so i know the feeling of them kickin in, and the feel of them working their magic and to see how my body responds to each one.
I say this because i know alot of guys stack dbol etc as a starter.

My plan/idea is for example:
1-3 prop (dosage ?)
1-10 test 500mg/week
11-14 prop (dosage ?)

this allows the cycle to start gains straight away (while test e kicks in), is then carried by the test e, then the prop would keep levels stable whilst the test e slowly fades. Once the cycle has ended transition into pct should be smoother and easier as the shorter esters clear quicker.

Is this idea ok as im only running one compound at a time really ? (only one working at a time)

Has anybody done this at the beginning ? and how does it compare to a dbol kicker cycle for gains, quality etc ?

Would the ending (prop part) and movement into pct be a smoother transition like i think ?and would it be better then running into pct with the longer esters still clearing like most do ?

any dosages, suggestions and personal experiances are more than welcome, say what you think.......

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Just theorising really, but was thinking about using different tests and esters to maximise the time on cycle and gains.
I am not a big fan of the sound of orals (at the present) and would prefer to inject indervidual products so i know the feeling of them kickin in, and the feel of them working their magic and to see how my body responds to each one.
I say this because i know alot of guys stack dbol etc as a starter.

My plan/idea is for example:
1-3 prop (dosage ?)
1-10 test 500mg/week
11-14 prop (dosage ?)

this allows the cycle to start gains straight away (while test e kicks in), is then carried by the test e, then the prop would keep levels stable whilst the test e slowly fades. Once the cycle has ended transition into pct should be smoother and easier as the shorter esters clear quicker.

Is this idea ok as im only running one compound at a time really ? (only one working at a time)

Has anybody done this at the beginning ? and how does it compare to a dbol kicker cycle for gains, quality etc ?

Would the ending (prop part) and movement into pct be a smoother transition like i think ?and would it be better then running into pct with the longer esters still clearing like most do ?

any dosages, suggestions and personal experiances are more than welcome, say what you think.......

It doesn't IMO. Prop is good its just been nothing like dbol, sd, adrol, for me. I wouldn't run prop on back end and to get full benefits out of test e it needs to be ran 12 weeks. In summery prop is a waste as a kick start to me.

 

[nickb86]

yup agreed prop on the backend bad idea , run at the start with test

Testosterone Cypionate - iSteroids.com

thanks for the arnswer i guess but if you actually read the post you'd see i was thinking about using it at the BEGINNING while the test starts to kick in
AND then using it to keep levels stable while the test e clears.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

thanks for the arnswer i guess but if you actually read the post you'd see i was thinking about using it at the BEGINNING while the test starts to kick in
AND then using it to keep levels stable while the test e clears.

Naw, just let it tapper off. You'll be at peak bloods it will be in you for anther 16 or so weeks. Running prop at end is bad imo your only asking for more suppression and harder recovery

 

[nickb86]

ok cool so you'd kinda reccomend the kick start at the beginning but not the ending dose, just theory really but thought it was somthing different maybe bring afew new ideas to the table

 

[nickb86]

not being funny right but i had 4 crowns and now i have those stupid green lines again, if i have been DE-ranked because the I-steroids couldnt be bothered to read the thread and OP, then i suggest the mods seriously look at how they review and grade people !!

 

[stevesmi]

you are overthinking things too much.

stop obsessing over having your levels be flat. its impossible to do that. the closest you will get to that is when the juice peaks in the body and stabilizes assuming you are sticking to a set schedule of injections.

google "PCT calculator" and play around with that site you get so you better understand what you are asking.

 

[digit0x]

its not a horrible idea.

 

[nickb86]

you are overthinking things too much. Story of my life steve lol

stop obsessing over having your levels be flat. its impossible to do that. the closest you will get to that is when the juice peaks in the body and stabilizes assuming you are sticking to a set schedule of injections.

I would be mate id be doing test e 500mg/wk 1-10 with weeks 1-3 test prop 150mg/eod and weeks 11-13 prop again at approx 150mg/eod

google "PCT calculator" and play around with that site you get so you better understand what you are asking.

I will mate il have a look now, reason i asked was because i was enquiring about frontloads and liked the idea of prop over dbol, I then saw a piece by needto suggesting it would be cleverer to use prop at the end of the cycle rather than doing a kickstart/frontload i think, so started thinking about this methodology.
Thanks for your help tho

 

[nickb86]

ignore the prop dosages i put in my post was rushing i know you'd have to taper the dosages up and down depending on whether its the front or back prop dosages.

 

[nickb86]

thanks for the arnswer i guess but if you actually read the post you'd see i was thinking about using it at the BEGINNING while the test starts to kick in
AND then using it to keep levels stable while the test e clears.

sorry for the response just read it back and its comes off as fucking rude my apologies mate...

 

[nickb86]

i had a look on the pct calculator shpwing the half lifes of the test with a test prop stack

Test E 250mg e3days 12 weeks

Test prop 12 days, doasge day 2 150mg, day 4 150mg, day 6 150mg, day 8 100mg, day 10 50mg, day 12 50mg
levels are as follows:

Day 1: 250mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 2: 376.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 3: 311.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 4: 660.7mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gifhttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 5: 553.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 6: 620mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 7: 759.3mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 8: 800.9mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 9: 669.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 10: 966.9mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gifhttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 11: 818mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 12: 850.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 13: 961.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 14: 979.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 15: 827.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 16: 957.9mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 17: 838mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 18: 738.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 19: 903.7mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 20: 808.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 21: 724.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 22: 901mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 23: 812.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 24: 733.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 25: 912.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 26: 824.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 27: 746.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 28: 925.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 29: 837.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 30: 758.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 31: 936.5mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 32: 847.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 33: 767.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 34: 945.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 35: 856.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 36: 775.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 37: 952.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 38: 862.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 39: 781.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 40: 957.6mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 41: 867.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 42: 785.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 43: 961.5mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 44: 870.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 45: 788.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 46: 964.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 47: 873.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 48: 791mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 49: 966.6mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 50: 875.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 51: 792.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 52: 968.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 53: 876.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 54: 794.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 55: 969.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 56: 877.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 57: 795.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 58: 970.3mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 59: 878.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 60: 795.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 61: 971mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 62: 879.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 63: 796.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 64: 971.5mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 65: 879.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 66: 796.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 67: 971.9mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 68: 880mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 69: 797mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 70: 972.2mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 71: 880.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 72: 797.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 73: 972.4mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 74: 880.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 75: 797.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 76: 972.5mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 77: 880.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 78: 797.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 79: 972.6mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 80: 880.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 81: 797.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 82: 972.7mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 83: 880.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 84: 797.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 85: 972.8mg T, 0mg E/D/Thttp://pct.befit4free.net/syringe.gif
Day 86: 880.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 87: 797.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 88: 722.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 89: 654.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 90: 592.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 91: 537.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 92: 486.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 93: 440.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 94: 399.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 95: 361.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 96: 327.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 97: 296.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 98: 268.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 99: 243mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 100: 220.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 101: 199.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 102: 180.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 103: 163.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 104: 148mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 105: 134.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 106: 121.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 107: 109.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T - Start PCT

by using these dosages the test builds very quickly and stays levelish between the 700-900 ranges throughout the cycle until pinning stops. Hope this may help anybody whos interested.

My questions are: is this PCT calculator accurate enough to plan a cycle on or this a rough approximate guide to follow ?

Would this dosage of test be ok or would a user be open to alot of sides with such a fast jump up in test levels ?
thanks

 

[RickRock13]

I think that you are over thinking things, just like Steve said. I'm not a fan of front loading myself. It generally just leads to more sides coming on faster, and not so much benefit in the gains department over just straight consistent dosing. If you want to get things kicked in quicker, then running test prop at the beginning will do it if you are trying to avoid orals

 

[nickb86]

ok cheers rick and evryone thats helped il prob just stick to what im gonna do, maybe put a prop start in there wel see, thanks agin everybody