kickstarting my cycle

[cdownie927]

im going to run sus 500 a week and eq 400 a week and I have some qv prop laying around and was wondering instead of buying some dbol i could use the prop to kick start it for the first 3 weeks

my question is how much do i use and how often do i shoot it and can i put it in the syringe with sus and shoot it together or should i just shoot it alone because its water based (i think).

 

[T-Biggs]

Are you running Suspension (water-based) or Sustanon (oil based) type of test?

 

[stonecold54]

of course you can use prop but you do realize that sust has prop in it. so if you put those shots together they are really going to hurt. IF you don't care about that then go for it. If it was me I would use it if it is just left over but then I LOVE test.

 

[duff_rose]

I would use 50-100mg prop EOD for 2-3 weeks.

 

[CrazyC]

im going to run sus 500 a week and eq 400 a week and I have some qv prop laying around and was wondering instead of buying some dbol i could use the prop to kick start it for the first 3 weeks

my question is how much do i use and how often do i shoot it and can i put it in the syringe with sus and shoot it together or should i just shoot it alone because its water based (i think).

get some IP dbols, they're dirt cheap. I think you would get more for your money if you went with Test-Enanthate.

Good Luck with cycle bro!

 

[duff_rose]

Re: Re: kickstarting my cycle

get some IP dbols, they're dirt cheap. I think you would get more for your money if you went with Test-Enanthate.

Good Luck with cycle bro!

Dude... He just wants a fast acting drug for the first 2-3 weeks of his cycle. He already has prop that he hasn't used so there is really no reason to buy anything more. Test-Enanthate would not help him in this situation at all.

 

[jubei]

prop will work just fine to kickstart your cycle. Can't get any cheaper than free.

 

[cdownie927]

its sustanon and the dose you think i should run would be 100mg eod until i use all the bottle which should be 2 1/2 weeks?

I can get dbol because i know someone who wants my prop. So do think i should still stick with the prop instead of dbol

 

[duff_rose]

I can get dbol because i know someone who wants my prop. So do think i should still stick with the prop instead of dbol

I really think it's up to you. They both will do great for you, you are in a no lose situation!

 

[T-Biggs]

I'd split the Sust shots into two-one at 250mg another mid-week at 250 and the days of the sust shot do not use the prop.
Use the prop at 50mg on non-sust shot days this way you have 50mg of prop running everyday.

Ex:

Sun: Sust/250mg
Mon: Prop/50mg
Tues: Prop/50mg
Wed: Prop/50mg
Thurs: Sust/250mg
Fri: Prop/50mg
Sat Prop/50mg

Wed of Thurs. for second shot

 

[jubei]

T-biggs, I have though about doing shots like that too because it would utilize the prop that is already in the sust, and I'm curious how it would work. If you want the BEST cycle possible I would keep your prop, buy some dbol and run it like this.

Week 1-4 25mg dbol ed
Week 1-9 500mg sust/week
Week 1-10 400mg eq/week
Week 9-12 100mg test prop eod

This strangely enough is exactly what my next cycle looks like. You can always front load the sust and eq and forget about dbol, but I like the looks of things as presented above. Using prop at the end of the cycle as opposed to the beginning will facilitate a much faster recovery due to the short half life of the propionate ester. Also for the last 3 weeks you will have a tapering amount of sust and eq in your system as well as the prop giving you good gains right till the end.

 

[cdownie927]

jubei, that looks like what im going to do but forgot to mention i was going to run winny at the end too. i was going to do 50mg eod weeks 9-13. The only other problem is the fact i only have 1 10ml bottle of qv prop and i probably will only get about 2 1/2 weeks out of it running it like that so what do you think is the best way to run this cycle.

any comments on this?

 

[jubei]

Well, if you have a 10ml bottle @ 100mg/ml and you run 10ml eod that would be 20 days of prop. 3 weeks being 21 days so your not far off. Run the winny 1 week earlier so you end it at the same time as prop. Running it with prop is convenient because then you can put winny and prop in the same pin.

 

[cdownie927]

alright i think i finally got it what do you guys think

25mg dbol weeks 1-4
500mg sus weeks 1-9
400mg eq weeks 1-10
100mg prop eod weeks 10-12
50mg winny eod weeks 8-12

liqudex 1mg eod
hcg 1666iu 3x week 12-14 (because each amp is 5000iu)
Nolvadex 20mg ed 12-14
Clomid 15-17 weeks 15-17 300mg day1/100mg day2-10/50mg day11-21

3rd cycle stats are 5'7" 175 about 12-15%bf

also have 4 weeks of clen so I was going to run that the first or second month with nyc and maybe yohimburn df (if i got extra money)

 

[jubei]

Looks good to me. You might want to do less hcg per injection and just inject more often. 5 x 1000iu injects would be preferable to 3 x 1666 IMO. Also you could use .5mg liquidex eod as well as 10mg ed of nolva just because it is cheaper and should be fine for the amount your doing. Also you can use nolvadex post cycle and forget about clomid. Although they use a different mechanism nolva and clomid basically do the same thing. You will probably get less sides from nolva especially acne and morning sickness. I would be taking in at least 500g of protien a day.

 

[cdownie927]

you think 10mg of nolv and .5mg liqudex is good for bloat and gyno because i bloat very easy i was bloated on 600 mg enth and 400mg deca last cycle and i dont want to be bloated for summer.

also i dont want to add extra water to my hcg so i guess i could run it at 16 on a insulin pin and get 800iu for 6 days roughly instead i just figured it would be easier running it at 33 on a insulin pin 3xweek. If i dont run the clomid how do i run just nolvadex would it be(10mg until i start hcg then bump it up to 20mg for 3 weeks with hcg and then 3weeks after at 20mg)

 

[DaddyX]

listen to jubei - hes knows his shit. goodluck bro

 

[jubei]

I would try with .5mg liquidex eod and 10mg nolva ed to start with. If you run into bloat you can always bump up your nolvadex to 20mg/day and or liquidex to .5mg/day. Keep in mind that retaining water is good for building mass even if it doesn't look pretty. Also estrogen upgrades the adrogen receptor meaning you will make more gains with some estrogen present.

Another thing to consider is that bloat is really only a problem on your face. For this you could try yohimburn df as it is reported to work very well in that respect.

 

[cdownie927]

Thanks you were a big help and thats what im going to do

but you didnt say anything about the hcg and nolvadex for post therpy the hcg is 1 amp of 5000iu and correct me if im wrong thatss how i should run it on the previous post but your saying it will be better to run it at roughly 833iu for 6 days instead of 1666 for 3. I never seen an insulin pin so Im quessing it would be 16 on that pin which would equal 833iu.

 

[jubei]

Administer the Hcg IM so there is no need for an insulin pin at all. Run nolvadex at 40mg/day while you are using hcg until 4 or 5 days after that. Then run nolva at 20mg/day for an additional 2 weeks.

 

[cdownie927]

i was going to do it im (in delt or thigh) I cant use a regular pin because i dont know what it would be on a 3cc syringe (probably be like a 1/3rd of a cc so i figured it would be easier on a insulin syringe (the hcg is 5000iu per amp so i was going to get 3 amps)
(I didnt want to buy water and vials so i can use a 3cc syringe)