keeping Halo gains

[oxymoron]

tyically u'd piggy back halo in a cycle but does the steroid by itself create real keepable gains or is it temporary strength and some fat burning?
I've read that its highly androgenic changes are only good for the duration of it's activity in ur system and once its gone, the effects are gone, particularlly the power and explosiveness you get. ALTHOUGTH I've also read that ur muscles are trained to be stronger after a short cycle and you won't keep 100% but with the proper post cycle routine it's possible to hold on to a portion of the strength increase. Very limited growth should be expected with it by itself.

Anyone got any personal experience with adding late cycle or by itself so they could see difference it made?


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[oxymoron]

^^^any input....

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[oxymoron]

plenty of views, i guess this is a tricky question ^^^

 

[sharkmaster]

you should keep gains on halo good. Its a more dry compound so you wont get bloat or be loosing any at the end of the cycle. Its more of a mild steroid so recovery in pct should be easy but id still incorperate a good one.

 

[eddymerckx]

Mild???? are you kidding? it highly liver toxic and sends aggression through the roof. your gains from halo are really just strength and it's use is for pre-contest (not sure why--some competitors can explain--something about adding size while drying??) and I know its used in the strong man competitions.

for fat loss...insane--and you can't take it long enough for it to really matter.

 

[GreenBastard]

I have done a few halotestin only cycles over the years, my first being nearly 15 years ago. I ran it at 30mg ed and to this day I have never felt anything like that. I had a few 10 week test cycles under my belt at the time with some d bol and some var, i was young and not very bright and i was experimenting with things periodically, short 3 or 4 week cycles of orals, 8 or 10 weeks of test, two by themselves one with deca, i had been training for over 10 years at the time seriously.

Halo is a very touchy and sensetive drug. Many guys can't handle it their first go. A 5mg change in dosage from one day to the next is noticable. The agression effects different people in different ways. Some want to scream and yell and fight everyone, some become irritable and super focused, some become very quiet until they hit the gym, some dont feel it that much at all. My last Halo only cycle was last year over the summer for 4 weeks, I did 30mg per day, 10mg in AM, 10mg pre workout, 10MG after supper or before bed. You will not need any preworkout supps or coffee in the morning. You will be wired and energetic all day until bed then i found i crashed around 11pm...the agression for me is the focused type. I am pretty tolerant of it and i can control my temper, others cant. if someone gives you shit at work or gets in your face they are going to the hospital you feel completely fearless. strength increases are incredible, my bench went up i think 65lbs the first time i tried it, 75 the last time thanks to 15g per day of creatine and glutamine. with proper diet and a very strong pct, you can keep as much strength from halo as you would with var. i got a weight increase of 6 lbs, and i kept 5 of them, still have them and i havent touched a single drug since then, gonna start a test cycle in a month. i like lots of recovery time these days, not 4 weeks like i used to lol.

i would run some hcgenerate, with unleashed post cycle, run milk thistle the entire cycle (i only ran half the recomended dose and i was okay) sometimes youll get a headache but for me it was nothing severe. try 10mg pre workout and see how you feel.

 

[eddymerckx]

I used it a bunch times...just before races @ 1 3/4 pill (about 17.5 mgs)--and it worked wonders--but a GB said when I first tried 30 I was sick as a dog/raging headache.

 

[training700]

LOVE halo on it right now drive and aggression.
I keep a little bit of strength gains
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[oxymoron]

thanks guys, that helps. i was under the impression it was a good booster for other compounds but really didn't do much more than assist you to get more out of a stack. apparently this is not the case, although i would not be running it alone. this is a waaaays off, but i'm "considering" a low dose prop/tren ace/halo cycle. i'm considering a lot of other stacks but that undoubtedly would be a fun but wild ride and again is a few months down the road.

 

[GreenBastard]

one of the best ever cycles i have ever done in my life was this

Test Prop at 100mg EOD weeks 1-12
Tren Ace at 100mg EOD weeks 1-12
Deca at 300mg a week weeks 1-10
Anadrol 100mg weeks 1-4
Halotestin 30mg weeks 8-12
I think i threw in 40mg of Var at week 10-14 aswell for that cycle.

This was 10 years ago, when I could better tolerate this shit lol. The sides from this cycle at times were very harsh, headaches were bad, i would get random nausea, temper with Anadrol was jekkyll and hyde. The gains though were out of this world. My strength on everything was crazy. I went from doing behind the necks with 225 for 10, to doing 275 for 12. I shit you not. I was curling 90s for 8 reps per arm, I could squat 5 plates for 8, bench was close to 500 at the time, after the cycle (and this is 10 years ago with minimal pct, clomid, nolvadex and i think i had arimidex too, even though pct wasnt a big deal i know that i had to do something because when i came off previous test cycles i felt like total shit and was as weak as a little girl, so i used whatever resources i had to put together a makeshift 2003 pct lol) I also ran milk thistle the entire cycle and added liv52 post cycle, i know of anadrols and halos toxicity, hence why i diddnt run them together. with todays pct i would think this cycle would work much better. i kept about 75% of what i gained post cycle which for the time was phenominal. I also ran creatine and glutamine with bcaa capsules like i do most cycles. weight gain was like 34lbs on cycle and i kept 26 off them. water weight was minimal. hope this helps, best of luck!

 

[oxymoron]

That's a pretty crazy cycle there green guy. I guess the halo could be run from either perspective, kick start or finish, both time frames have their benefits. Did you have any agression issues with the halo/tren combo?

 

[GreenBastard]

Halo with Tren was pretty harsh on me for sides at times, nightsweats were bad some days, theres were days when i walked into with with a pissed off look on my face and refused to talk to anyone, other times i was my normal self, like i said it was a very touchy drug (halo) there were days when i would either cut the dosage or skip the shot all together if i felt bad. but overall, it wasnt intolerable. Would i do halo with tren again, possibly, only i wouldnt add 3 other compounds. now days i like a max of 3 steriods at once. if you have the money for this stuff the skys the limit.

I train with guys who have gone to jail on halo and anadrol. my one buddy (one of the first guys out of our gym circle to use gear way back in the day) got into an argument with a guy who was 6 inches taller than him and 45lbs heavier in a grocery store one day, i cant even remember what it was about, but he got one years sentence for assault, he beat the living hell out of the dude, and this was 50mg of anadrol by itself 2 or 3 weeks in. i wouldnt recomend halo or anadrol, (definately not that cycle i posted either) to anyone who is married or has kids. hurting your family and yelling at your children over the dumbest little things, making them live in fear and what not isnt worth putting a few pounds on your max lifts.

and again, some people do not feel anything on halo. its a very slippery drug per say, it effects every user differently, much like anadrol.

 

[b fold the truth]

Just like any androgen...it takes whatever personality that you naturally have and it amplifies it. If you are super calm and laid back like myself, you will continue that way. If you are a cocky butt hole, expect to be a bigger one.

I used Halo long term for a while (I am a big guy with a wasting disease) to try and hold onto my muscle. We used lots of other products during this time and most had way too many side effects to justify the benefits (I was already bleeding internally and becoming anemic). Keep in mind that Halo was easily purchased here as well.

I saw not major side effects. Because of the severity of the disease, nothing was going to help me keep my strength but it did help me once my calories were extremely low AND my absorption rate was almost at nil.

I've worked with clients that have used Halo for bodybuilding, powerlifting, and strongman. All of them had great luck combining them with Peptides (biggest synergistic effects of all) and finishing off with something very mild like Anavar. I know...Anavar is expensive...but not as expensive as Halo and if you are running Halo, you can afford Anavar.

 

[sharkmaster]

Mild???? are you kidding? it highly liver toxic and sends aggression through the roof. your gains from halo are really just strength and it's use is for pre-contest (not sure why--some competitors can explain--something about adding size while drying??) and I know its used in the strong man competitions.

for fat loss...insane--and you can't take it long enough for it to really matter.

my bad i thought he was talking about halodrol which that would be very different! lol