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Ever tried Kava Kava to fall asleep ?

Any comment ?
 
Never tried it go to sleep, but heres an interesting, but unrelated to your question, story about Kava Kava

One of my cousins married a guy who is half Samoan and half Korean. Most of his close family is Samoan, real big fuckers. Well, one time I went to visit them in northern Cali and it happened to be some kind of Samoan holliday. Apparently, in Samoa, on this holliday, the village priest or elder prepares Kava Kava root as a drink, and is considered a spiritual drink. So, obviously, there is no tribe elder here, so the oldest of the fam got to prepare the drink. The kava root is ground into a fine powder and placed inside a cloth. The cloth is summersed in water and drained, this is repepated over and over until all the "good" stuff from the kava is drained. We sat in a circle and the kava was pased around one person at a time. We drank out of a bowl that was half a coconut. Each time a person was served, the entire group had to chant "kava kava" then the person would drink. Once the drink has gone around the group once, if anbody else asks for another drink, the entire group has to drink. You also ask for another drink by chanting "kava kava". The drink tastes like dirt, so I was chasing it with a beer. Apparently, this is a strong intoxicant and i was not aware of it. After two rounds, most of the circle was done, but I kept asking for more and each time I asked for a drink, the entire circle had to drink too. After a while, these guys started passing out and getting real fucked up. I didn't understand because I was not that buzzed and i kept drinking after the kava was finished. I sure felt like shit the next day though.
 
Only problem with Kava is if you buy in supp form the dose needed to see appreciable effects is VERY high and it WILL cause a great deal of liver stress.

If your familiar with Erowid, I followed info on there which was a few grams of Kava-Kava. Woke up that same night feeling like I had taken 5-6 shots of 151, throwing up everywhere and had everyone asking me why I was yellow (liver issues).
 
Anthrax said:
Ever tried Kava Kava to fall asleep ?

Any comment ?


absolutely nothing out of it - so far only Rx sleep aids were able to induce sleep in me successfully (trazadone hcl=perfectum ) :o
 
MrMakaveli said:
Only problem with Kava is if you buy in supp form the dose needed to see appreciable effects is VERY high and it WILL cause a great deal of liver stress.

If your familiar with Erowid, I followed info on there which was a few grams of Kava-Kava. Woke up that same night feeling like I had taken 5-6 shots of 151, throwing up everywhere and had everyone asking me why I was yellow (liver issues).

So what would you advise for inducing sleep ?

Prescription medications are not an option (see below)
 
juve said:
absolutely nothing out of it - so far only Rx sleep aids were able to induce sleep in me successfully (trazadone hcl=perfectum ) :o

I am sure Rx sleep aids would be more effective but I'm afraid of

physical dependence and addiction
other side effects
 
traz hcl is not habit forming :o


just stay away from benzo's (zolpidem, etc) if you're concerned about addiction :o
 
SoreArms said:
Tried melatonin?

Really helpful for jet lag

Not so much for insomnia
 
i'm not sure if ZMA would help...people have said it helps them drop pff after weights

aside from the warm milk and crushed almonds....umm....guess you got to go with kava kava. i did read somewhere there wre 2 varieties of it, one of which is worse for the liver than the oher...i can;t remember anymore than that though :<
 
have you tried 5-htp? 100-150mg 15-20 minutes before bed?
also valerian root might help.

or you could try PSeven.
 
Millie said:
or you could try PSeven.

hmm, on the subject of pseven - a good combo would be to mix pregnenolone and dhea (they are quite anxiolytic) into it, although I'm not sure if the yield is going to be applicable. Maybe ulter/macro can chime in :o
 
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Millie said:
have you tried 5-htp? 100-150mg 15-20 minutes before bed?
also valerian root might help.

or you could try PSeven.

I've found 5-HTP to work quite well

I use to take 5-HTP (50 to 100 mg) + melatonin (.5 to 1g) + valerian

I've heard that vitamin B6 could also help
 
Anthrax said:
I've found 5-HTP to work quite well

I use to take 5-HTP (50 to 100 mg) + melatonin (.5 to 1g) + valerian

I've heard that vitamin B6 could also help


Animal's board used to rave about Taurine (10 g) before bed as a great sleep aid, I tried it once and it works well but I'm not sure WHY it works and therefore be carefull when trying it if you do.
 
MrMakaveli said:
Animal's board used to rave about Taurine (10 g) before bed as a great sleep aid, I tried it once and it works well but I'm not sure WHY it works and therefore be carefull when trying it if you do.

Yep, I've already heard of taurine (though never tried)

Taurine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, and its main use has been to help treat epilepsy and other excitable brain states, where it functions as a mild sedative. Research shows low taurine levels at seizure sites and its anti-convulsant effect comes from its ability to stabilize nerve cell membranes, which prevents the erratic firing of nerve cells. Doses for this effect are 500 mg. three times daily.
 
Anthrax said:
I've found 5-HTP to work quite well

I use to take 5-HTP (50 to 100 mg) + melatonin (.5 to 1g) + valerian

I've heard that vitamin B6 could also help

I also love 5-HTP, and I found that 50-100mg before bed works great. However, if I took more, then it had an opposite reaction. Weird.
 
Millie said:
I also love 5-HTP, and I found that 50-100mg before bed works great. However, if I took more, then it had an opposite reaction. Weird.

I experienced the same phenomenon w/ melatonin
1mg works better than 3mg
 
Millie said:
I also love 5-HTP, and I found that 50-100mg before bed works great. However, if I took more, then it had an opposite reaction. Weird.

I experienced the same phenomenon w/ melatonin
1mg works better than 3mg
 
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