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Never actually started the teachings but, I know something of it. Supposed to be a pattern of upwarding moving interconnected levels. The path to true enlightnenment is said to reside at its apex. Although those that try mostly fail. Once you start the path you cannot stop or all is said to be lost. People have dedicated entire lifetimes to its study and have accomplished nothing so I would be very hesitant in its undertaking. There are many teachings over the net if you look hard enough and some of them are good but mostly they are opinionnated...Try if you want but, be aware that there are consequences to all the actions that you take. 
musclebrains
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i took a class in it. It's some weird shit.
BaBa-BooeY
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i thought you were talking about the klingon language
The Qabalah (spellings vary as the word is transliterated from Hebrew).
Legend has it that the Qabala consists of secret knowledge of Torah and of God, which was handed down to Adam by the angels. The Qabalah imparts mystical meanings to the entirety of Torah and Jewish tradition.
It maps the universe and all existence to a glyph called teh Tree of Life, or Etz Chayim. It is said that my traversing this tree in reverse, we can come close to union with God.
In the Middle Ages, Christians began studying Qabalah in an effort to use it to prove the Divinity of Jesus, and therefore convert Jews.
From there, Qabalah bacame popular among various Hermetic societies and is, to this, day (in a vastly modified form) very popular among contemporaryt occultists.
Crowley's O.T.O and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn use the Hermetic Qabalah in their magickal workings, and even a substantial number of we Wiccans make heavy use of the Hermetic Qabalah in our religious practices.
Legend has it that the Qabala consists of secret knowledge of Torah and of God, which was handed down to Adam by the angels. The Qabalah imparts mystical meanings to the entirety of Torah and Jewish tradition.
It maps the universe and all existence to a glyph called teh Tree of Life, or Etz Chayim. It is said that my traversing this tree in reverse, we can come close to union with God.
In the Middle Ages, Christians began studying Qabalah in an effort to use it to prove the Divinity of Jesus, and therefore convert Jews.
From there, Qabalah bacame popular among various Hermetic societies and is, to this, day (in a vastly modified form) very popular among contemporaryt occultists.
Crowley's O.T.O and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn use the Hermetic Qabalah in their magickal workings, and even a substantial number of we Wiccans make heavy use of the Hermetic Qabalah in our religious practices.
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Steroid_Virgin
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The basic premise of the entire phlilosophy (of which the kahbala really is) states, fundementally that we (our physical selves) have been plunked-down at a given place in SPACE and TIME, and bestowed with a certain type and amount of MASS (our bodies). These three elements (MASS, SPACE, and TIME) completely define our physical existence, from the day of our birth through the day of our death. So the MASS/SPACE/TIME of our birthday represents our starting point (A). Similarly, the MASS/SPACE/TIME of the day of our death will also be a fixed point in our future, let's call it (B). Our BODY, throughout the course of our physical life, travels a specific, singular, physical path between (A) and (B). However, our "UN-BODY" (our non-physical SPIRIT, SOUL, and MIND) is responsible for the CHOICES about which physical paths we travel in our lives.
In essence, OUR LIVES ARE, LITERALLY, A PHYSICAL JOURNEY OF OUR BODIES THAT IS CREATED BY OUR NON-PHYSICAL "UNBODIES"!
Every single new day in our life offers new twists and turns....new detours and bypasses......new barriers and beach roads. Each new road we journey upon, each new choice that we make, teaches us new things, brings us new people, and aids us in experiencing the knowledge we were meant to receive as we travel our particular path. The more we know about both the structures of our physical BODY and our non-physical UN-BODY, the more aware we become of the spiritual journey we are on, and how to achieve the results we wish to come to pass.
almost sound like they are trying to sell a new car doesn't it? fucking smacks of dianetics and L Ron Hubbard... its a great thing for suedo intelectuals to discuss.. when you grow up, let me teach you about catholicism..
In essence, OUR LIVES ARE, LITERALLY, A PHYSICAL JOURNEY OF OUR BODIES THAT IS CREATED BY OUR NON-PHYSICAL "UNBODIES"!
Every single new day in our life offers new twists and turns....new detours and bypasses......new barriers and beach roads. Each new road we journey upon, each new choice that we make, teaches us new things, brings us new people, and aids us in experiencing the knowledge we were meant to receive as we travel our particular path. The more we know about both the structures of our physical BODY and our non-physical UN-BODY, the more aware we become of the spiritual journey we are on, and how to achieve the results we wish to come to pass.
almost sound like they are trying to sell a new car doesn't it? fucking smacks of dianetics and L Ron Hubbard... its a great thing for suedo intelectuals to discuss.. when you grow up, let me teach you about catholicism..
musclebrains
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I took a class in Kabbalah, as part of my doctoral work, from Daniel Matt, who is a preeminent and serious scholar in the subject. If you're interested in the subject, I recommend you read his book, The Essential Kabbalah, a translation with commentary.
The Kabbalah, which is a beautiful teaching, has unfortunately been appropriated and cheapened with all kinds of bullshit by New Age types. Throughout history it has sometimes been hybridized with alchemical and Rosicrucian systems, when it's typically called Hermeticism.
The Kabbalah, which is a beautiful teaching, has unfortunately been appropriated and cheapened with all kinds of bullshit by New Age types. Throughout history it has sometimes been hybridized with alchemical and Rosicrucian systems, when it's typically called Hermeticism.
Steriod Virgin, again, I must emphasize that there are several versions of the Kabalah, and they each vary considerably.
Even different schools of Jewish Kabbalah disagree on major points.
And it is much more than a "philosophy."
Daniel Matt is an excellent reference on the Jewish Kabbalah, as are the works of the late Gershon Scholem (long considered the authority on Jewish Kabbalah.)
Here's a good intriductory site on Jewish Kabbalah: http://aish.com/spirituality/kabbala101/ and http://www.smoe.org/arcana/kabbalah.html
If you're interested in Hermetic Qabalah, check out "The Mystical Qabalah" by Dion Fortune, or "Garden of Pomegranates" by Israel Regardie.
Also check http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/index.htm
and
http://digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm
There's quite a lot of NewAge rubbish on the market these days about Kabbalah since they have seen that there is money to be made on this topic.
Also lots of people passing themselves off as teachers...
Even different schools of Jewish Kabbalah disagree on major points.
And it is much more than a "philosophy."
Daniel Matt is an excellent reference on the Jewish Kabbalah, as are the works of the late Gershon Scholem (long considered the authority on Jewish Kabbalah.)
Here's a good intriductory site on Jewish Kabbalah: http://aish.com/spirituality/kabbala101/ and http://www.smoe.org/arcana/kabbalah.html
If you're interested in Hermetic Qabalah, check out "The Mystical Qabalah" by Dion Fortune, or "Garden of Pomegranates" by Israel Regardie.
Also check http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/index.htm
and
http://digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm
There's quite a lot of NewAge rubbish on the market these days about Kabbalah since they have seen that there is money to be made on this topic.
Also lots of people passing themselves off as teachers...
musclebrains
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bwahahahahahahah
musclebrains
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Here's my favorite site for alchemical images, many of which are derived from cabbalistic systems. Some of them are unbelievably weird:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/home.html
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/home.html
It's all kinda arbitrary, to some extent, isn't it, if you think about it???
I mean, think of a typical Charismatic Christian. Just by way of example...I'm not saying they are 'worse' although in some ways they are because they say they are the only ones who really 'have it' (so you set youself up for criticism...go figure!!!
)
They say they believe the Bible but don't do what it says.
(They have some theological catch-all excuse for that though)
So they are mean but - according to them - it is the Wiccans who are shaking their fist at God, destined for eternal torment as a punishment for that
and - according to them - Kabbalah etc is of the very devil, satanic teaching.
And what do they do, when they are not being mean?
Go blah blah blah...
and call it 'speaking in tongues' a gift from God...
It has awesome mystical powers doncha know??? Praying in tongues is much more 'effective' than praying in your own language, i have read...yeah right.
as if God is like that
And I bet there are some pretty decent Wiccans and Jewish Kabbalists (?) out there...
So let's play theological word games and avoid the real business of living life...(this is to anyone who does, not any particular subgroup)
Uh-huh.
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helen
I mean, think of a typical Charismatic Christian. Just by way of example...I'm not saying they are 'worse' although in some ways they are because they say they are the only ones who really 'have it' (so you set youself up for criticism...go figure!!!
)They say they believe the Bible but don't do what it says.
(They have some theological catch-all excuse for that though)
So they are mean but - according to them - it is the Wiccans who are shaking their fist at God, destined for eternal torment as a punishment for that
and - according to them - Kabbalah etc is of the very devil, satanic teaching.
And what do they do, when they are not being mean?
Go blah blah blah...
and call it 'speaking in tongues' a gift from God...
It has awesome mystical powers doncha know??? Praying in tongues is much more 'effective' than praying in your own language, i have read...yeah right.
as if God is like thatAnd I bet there are some pretty decent Wiccans and Jewish Kabbalists (?) out there...
So let's play theological word games and avoid the real business of living life...(this is to anyone who does, not any particular subgroup)
Uh-huh.
love
helen
M.O.D
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BigWh1tey, the type of Kabbalh they teach the "The Kabalah Center" doesn't exactly require knowledge of Hebrew.
It's the "pop kabalah" that Madonna, Roseanne Barr, Sandra Bernhard, and other great holy people "study," and now they can claim to be "Kabalists." It kind of turns my stomach.
I've been studying Kabbalah, Gematria, Notariqon, (both Hebrew and Hermetic) etc. for around four years (it makes up a large portion of my spiritual practices) and wouldn't be so arrogant as to call myself a "Kabbalist."
It's the "pop kabalah" that Madonna, Roseanne Barr, Sandra Bernhard, and other great holy people "study," and now they can claim to be "Kabalists." It kind of turns my stomach.
I've been studying Kabbalah, Gematria, Notariqon, (both Hebrew and Hermetic) etc. for around four years (it makes up a large portion of my spiritual practices) and wouldn't be so arrogant as to call myself a "Kabbalist."
BTW, the Kabalah Center is run by Schmuley Boteach a wacko Rabbi whose best friend is the sick bastard Michael Jackson.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,25444,00.html
"But during the day I learned some surprising things about this self-described publicity-hound. In 1999, the British government criticized his L'Chaim Society of Oxford, London and Cambridge — an organization that was supposed to support and promote Jewish thinking and life on the Oxford campus — when they discovered that Shmuley (his name is Shmuel but he loves the nickname) had been dipping into the funds. "
And from http://www.mjni.com/site/news/michael_and_me.htm
Boteach, meanwhile, is confident that the public perception of Jackson will not be an impediment to their new venture. "And anyway, look at how public perception changes - just look at Bill Clinton!"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,25444,00.html
"But during the day I learned some surprising things about this self-described publicity-hound. In 1999, the British government criticized his L'Chaim Society of Oxford, London and Cambridge — an organization that was supposed to support and promote Jewish thinking and life on the Oxford campus — when they discovered that Shmuley (his name is Shmuel but he loves the nickname) had been dipping into the funds. "
And from http://www.mjni.com/site/news/michael_and_me.htm
Boteach, meanwhile, is confident that the public perception of Jackson will not be an impediment to their new venture. "And anyway, look at how public perception changes - just look at Bill Clinton!"
john937 said:
I look down on the Schmuley Boteachs of the world just as I look down on the Benny Hinns of the world. Just as I look down on the rich suburban housewives who study their own versions of Buddhsim and Hinduism and claim great accomplishment within bastardizations of genuine relisious systems.
I've done the research on this topic, have you? If not, don't judge me.
john937 said:
Bro, I'm not dissing M.O.D. at all! I respect the man for being interested in Kabbalah. When I consider a topic important, such as this, I will share my honest opinion. From what I have seen, I am not impressed with The Kabbalah Center or other "pop Kabbalah" type books, organisations, etc.
M.O.D. should research for himself and find the school that he feels is best for him. I'm just trying to present him (and anyone else interested) a range of information, links, etc. to let him make an informed choice.
I respect you for looking out for him, though.
john937
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peace. Didn't mean to start a flap. Let me start over.
I heard about this topic a long time ago, and am interested in other forms of spiritual discovery, but never got into kabalah.
Recently there's been cable access television programs on it by
a guy named Stan Tenen. http://www/meru.org
He seemed really interesting especially when he started talking about how
the 2 dimensional shape represented in kabalah can be
displayed in 3 dimensions as a spiral wound around a doughnut shape.
But if you're starting the topic at the begining,
how is anybody to know whether the guy is a guru or a crackpot?
So I guess I'm a little sensitive to criticism of beginners.
I heard about this topic a long time ago, and am interested in other forms of spiritual discovery, but never got into kabalah.
Recently there's been cable access television programs on it by
a guy named Stan Tenen. http://www/meru.org
He seemed really interesting especially when he started talking about how
the 2 dimensional shape represented in kabalah can be
displayed in 3 dimensions as a spiral wound around a doughnut shape.
But if you're starting the topic at the begining,
how is anybody to know whether the guy is a guru or a crackpot?
So I guess I'm a little sensitive to criticism of beginners.
peace, john. I'm not dissing beginners, just those in authority who would mislead them. I first started reading about teh Meru Foundation a few years ago, and I'm not sure what the point of it all is. Hand positions representing the letters? His shapes often don't even resemble the letters, and his papers seem complicated enough to not even have any impact on the layman. IMHO, of course, as all of my posts are.
Peace.
Peace.
john937
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Weapon X said:
I think what excites me about it (from a math background) is it looks like
he's on the edge between Math, Physics, and MetaPhysics.
as though God, matter, and psyche may share a basic pattern... a sort of "unified field theorem".
But, like I said, he could just as easily be a crackpot.
IMHO (as usual), too many people are looking for "unified field theory" where none exists and none need exist.
Too often the thing sbeing united get benmt out fo shape and broken in order to squeeze them in to convenient packages.
Christianity isn't Hinduism, Judaism isn't Buddhism, Taoism isn't physics, etc.
I think we all need to learn that not everything has to end up being the same thing. TH edifference is what is wonderful.
Too often the thing sbeing united get benmt out fo shape and broken in order to squeeze them in to convenient packages.
Christianity isn't Hinduism, Judaism isn't Buddhism, Taoism isn't physics, etc.
I think we all need to learn that not everything has to end up being the same thing. TH edifference is what is wonderful.
M.O.D
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Weapon X said:
yes the so called celebs that go there is the downer part since most people think they walk on water...i know many of them and they are some real fucked up people....im not a church going go and dont want to talk to a shrink...im just fighting depression real bad right now and im going to give this center a chance..
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