Just how good is Ttokkyo Deca?

[the_Pikey]

I know I can get my hands on this stuff, and it seems to be all over the place right now, but I haven't really heard alot of people praise it.

My buddy tried it and it was definately real, although he said the less potent Deca gave him better results. He also got a flu-like sickness immediately after starting this stuff. He's convinced it was the Ttokkyo Deca that did it.

His he just a fruitcake? How good is this compared to other Deca?

 

[Slopain]

Flu sickness is very normal at the begining of any as usage, its your bodies reaction to the sudden fluctuation in hormones and in general is a good thing b/c your about to grow (look up: sus flu). Your buddy unless hes the bionic man has absolutely no way of knowing which drug in a stack that causes it, and its generally caused by all of them in conjunction. To answer your question its very good quality.

btw: people really cant judge the effectivness to easy of stuff b/c nothign ever remains constant, your body and routine and diet is always changing, making it impossible to determine exactly what is doign what and compared to what happened in previous cycle - much less receptor up/down regulation (whichever you believe in) that makes that 2nd cycle so much less powerfull (mg per mg) than that first one.

 

[the_Pikey]

Okay, I totally agree on you that you can't realistically judge its effectiveness because your body is always changing and you have other steroids in your stack as well... BUT..

This particular friend of mine is a brand-spanking newbie to the sauce, and so he has never done a "stack" only a few cycles of a single steroid. So he knew the reaction he was getting was caused by the Ttokkyo because it was all he was taking at the time.

Also, I have heard of this flu, however I didn't think that even a simple cycle of deca alone would cause it. Would it?

...I just meant that overall do most people feel that this higher mg dosage is as potent as it should be?

 

[Slopain]

Okay, I totally agree on you that you can't realistically judge its effectiveness because your body is always changing and you have other steroids in your stack as well... BUT..

This particular friend of mine is a brand-spanking newbie to the sauce, and so he has never done a "stack" only a few cycles of a single steroid. So he knew the reaction he was getting was caused by the Ttokkyo because it was all he was taking at the time.

Also, I have heard of this flu, however I didn't think that even a simple cycle of deca alone would cause it. Would it?

...I just meant that overall do most people feel that this higher mg dosage is as potent as it should be?

yes it is, it has been lab tested which is a little more ccurate than your buddy like I said he is a newbie right? with each passing cycle his body is becoming less responsive to the gear, which explains why he isnt fealing it as much maybe. And a simple cyce of deca alone can cause the flu and does.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Hey Slopain, do you think we will ever get to a point where someone doesn't ask, 'Is the ttokkyo -fill in the blank here- any good?'

I am starting to lean towards 'No'.

 

[Maxx Out]

Flu sickness is very normal at the begining of any as usage, its your bodies reaction to the sudden fluctuation in hormones and in general is a good thing b/c your about to grow (look up: sus flu). Your buddy unless hes the bionic man has absolutely no way of knowing which drug in a stack that causes it, and its generally caused by all of them in conjunction. To answer your question its very good quality.

btw: people really cant judge the effectivness to easy of stuff b/c nothign ever remains constant, your body and routine and diet is always changing, making it impossible to determine exactly what is doign what and compared to what happened in previous cycle - much less receptor up/down regulation (whichever you believe in) that makes that 2nd cycle so much less powerfull (mg per mg) than that first one.

Good words Slopain. Good words!

 

[Slopain]

Hey Slopain, do you think we will ever get to a point where someone doesn't ask, 'Is the ttokkyo -fill in the blank here- any good?'

I am starting to lean towards 'No'.

heheh I think we are stuck with this one, can I drink winny, and "Ive got 3 amps of sustanon 2 pink pills, and creatine make me a cycle." lol

thanks maxx

 

[vegeta#1]

actually bro dont mean do be a smart ass but. sust flu is caused by the ester in propionate wich in some people is very irratating to the muscle and causes inflamation at the injection site wich in turn causes that person to have a low grade fever as the body fights this irritation or localized allergic reaction. some people hurt from sustanon and get a low grade fever it is because there body does not like the ester in propionate.some people can take a sustanon with virtually no pain because they are not allergic.as far as deca never remember in the good old days before this animal stuff that real deca(organon)ever caused anyone to ever have flu like symptoms that is most likely due to ther bieng some impurities in this other deca.

 

[Slopain]

actually bro dont mean do be a smart ass but. sust flu is caused by the ester in propionate wich in some people is very irratating to the muscle and causes inflamation at the injection site wich in turn causes that person to have a low grade fever as the body fights this irritation or localized allergic reaction. some people hurt from sustanon and get a low grade fever it is because there body does not like the ester in propionate.some people can take a sustanon with virtually no pain because they are not allergic.as far as deca never remember in the good old days before this animal stuff that real deca(organon)ever caused anyone to ever have flu like symptoms that is most likely due to ther bieng some impurities in this other deca.

Sus flu is another word for Steroid flu, any test or anythign taken in quantities to suppress test (natural) can cause the flu. It was traditionally called sus flu b/c that was the most common test. Propiniate does cause irritation tot he site its injected to and also because it hits a bit quicker, but suspension will cause it as well the quicker acting steroids (prop esterfied and no esters or suspension) are the most obvious b/c they hit quicker and change the hormonal balance quicker, but all steroids are capable of the achy/sick feeling that typically occur towards the begining of cycle. Take enanthate at 750 grams a week and you will feel the flu, enanthate or cyp obviously dont have prop in it and still cause the flu. Its b/c of the hormonal fluctuations and your body trying to stabalize when exogenous hormones are placed in it.

 

[vegeta#1]

immune fluctuations happen at the start and end of a cycle but the term sust flu is because of the prop irratation and applies only to sustanon. as for someone gettin flu like symptoms at the begining of a cycle that would be because of bacteria or impurities or an allergic reaction to the product you are using.when hormones are given to someone immune system changes do occur for the better you get a heightened immune system and don not easily get sick when yaou are consistently doing gear (500mg a wk of test dec whatever)it is when you come off of the drug thats when the immune system drops down low.how many people have you known to have gotten the flu after discountinuing a heavy test cycle plenty.aids patients are now given deca and test because of thier immune increasing properties.even gh increases your immune system.flu like symptons on legitimate products is not normal it does not matter if your body natural hormones are fluctuating as long as exogenous levels remain high.if the synthetic ones remain high you will not get sick its when they drop that you do.people get sick from these vet products because of the standards by wich they are manufactured under.that irritation or fever is your body fightin off bacteria.

 

[the_Pikey]

see this is exactly what I was thinking.

I mean this stuff is supposed to be veterinary, and its brewed in Mexico (the Mexico part probably being the worse of the two). But between these two, theres bound to be impurities sometimes.

Right?

Thanks for all the intelligent posts.

 

[gorth97]

ttok is good shit.. i doubt theres much impurities, and if there are, your norma or oganon has just as much chance of being impure as the ttok deca.

 

[vegeta#1]

only a counterfeit norma or organon would have impurities or sterility issues.real organon has millions upon millions of dollars of sterile lab equipment ampoule machines and manufacturing protocols.organon practices good manufacturing practices and you will never find there products bieng a cc short or ever find a FLY!! floating in them. you are in denial bro wake up mexico vetrinarian versus HUMAN GRADE LEGIT PROD.quit bieng cheap and bite the bullit.

 

[Amp]

I got the flu for the first time last night. I can normally bang out 3ccs of sust in the morning and be fine. I did 2cc's of the ttokkyo cyp with 2 cc's of the sust and by evening I felt sick. I was worn down, didn't sleep all night, and was nauseaus in the morning. It went away by mid day but I don't want to feel like that again. My friend told me that even though they fixed the cyp you should mix it with deca because the alcohol can give you those systems. I have a nice welt where I injected it also. I guess it's not completely fixed or I have an old lot.