Just got back from the counselors

[chesty]

Well,
Let's say I am feeling better each day. The best part is the counselor actually does see things as I see them as far as how/why she is acting up.

She said one of the requirements of the counseling during the 6 months is to not be involved with this third party and she is going to hammer it home for her.

Reason is, he just amplifies the bad feelings about me and of course only the good stuff is amplifed for him. So there is no true representation while on the emotional roller coaster.

She also told me that neither I nor her are to ever introduce a partner to the kids unless we are getting married to them. And we are not to tell them about anything as far as decisions to be made until we have gone at least 6 months of counseling with a significant amount of time being apart.

We are supposed to remain celibate period. I am, it sucks, but I am. My wee wee don't even move any more! Jami however, is not abiding by the rules cause she can't. In other words she is still weak and will never grow nor change her lifestyle to be stronger this way. Guess what? Oh well! Too bad.

If she is there and has a better understanding of herself and wants to see where we go great if not buh bye.

You know the sad thing is that when you give her something to read she only sees what will support her current position even though the very next sentence will tell her to do something else before arriving at the conclusion you currently desire. Selective reading, hearing, thinking. She is gonna get crushed soon!

So, anyway, I can't wait to get to TX, and leave her to her own devices! I feel bad and want to help, but she made her bed now she can lie in it.

I told her that I love her so much that I want her to go to this guy and do what she does if it makes her feel better and such (emotionally, etc) Don't like it, but if there were to be a chance for you to come back you have to arrive at that. That is how much I love you I told her, I love you enough to let you go to him instead of being with me. You would think she would say thank you I appreciate that, right? Well, she had nothing to say. She was like a deer in the headlights! Blank, pot stare.

Not only have I given her the house, all utilities paid as well as the mortgage, her truck and ins. Medical ins as well will be covered. All she has to do is make food, gas and play money. I think she is just dumbfounded about how nice I am being and continue to be. She sees all the changes, but still hides in her own world.

I just love heaping on the good stuff. Makes me feel better and I get to see the uncertainty and guilt run through her brain!

 

[Viking850]

I told her that I love her so much that I want her to go to this guy and do what she does if it makes her feel better and such (emotionally, etc) Don't like it, but if there were to be a chance for you to come back you have to arrive at that. That is how much I love you I told her, I love you enough to let you go to him instead of being with me. You would think she would say thank you I appreciate that, right? Well, she had nothing to say. She was like a deer in the headlights! Blank, pot stare.

Not only have I given her the house, all utilities paid as well as the mortgage, her truck and ins. Medical ins as well will be covered. All she has to do is make food, gas and play money. I think she is just dumbfounded about how nice I am being and continue to be. !

Chesty, How in the hell do you love a woman that has cheated on you repeatedly and has flat out told you that she has no feelings for you whatsoever? In your post yesterday you mentioned about the time that she came home and you realized that she had oral sex with her boyfriend. Then previously you mentioned that she was taking her sex toys with her when she went out. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO WAKE UP?????????????????

In reading your posts you sound like your entire persona and life is wrapped around this woman. I ask you WHY? She is no good! She is no good for you! She is a whore! Have nothing to do with her! From your posts yesterday, there is a whole history of cheating and the threats to have you killed by the two guys.......I mean come on. Yet you still tell her that if she changes her mind you will be there for her. Why? Why are you there for her? Was she there for you? No! When you were down,hurting, trying everything to make the relationship work she was out drinking and getting laid! That is how much she thinks of you. Even still, after all of that you are still willing to take her back!

Where do you draw the line Chesty? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Why in the hell are you paying her mortgage, insurance, utilities, etc. Why are you taking care of her? Has she fulfilled her marriage vows? You think that by being nice to her she will come around and feel guilty? You think she will realize you are a good person and come back to you? Well she wont. She will see this as a WEAKNESS on your part. This will give her the green light to do ANYTHING SHE WANTS and you will still take her back. She has nothing to lose!

Mark my word Chesty, if you don't wise up, this dude will be in your house, sleeping in your bed with your wife, and will be around your kids while your gone! I don't care what that dingbat is promising you right now. She does not care about you and will continue to lie to you! You will be gone.....she will do whatever she wants and laugh her ass off at what a fool you are!

Sorry if that sounds harsh Chesty. I am not trying to be an ass, but you need to wake up! This woman is playing you for a fool ! Find a Family Law Attorney immediately and file for divorce. That is your only option. Again, DO NOT give her anything more than you are ordered to by the court. Be smart!

 

[chesty]

Not at all. The way I see it is that I will always take the high road. The counselor has warned me that it will get much much worse before it gets better. You know what, I love her, can't change that. She is on an emotional roller coaster and has acknowledged to the counselor that she realizes that what she is doing is not helping herself and will prevent her from becoming the better person she wants to be.

I and her agreed to 6 months with an evaluation at the end to see where we are at. If it is a no go, then bye bye, if not then we keep working on it.

Jami will just have to realize that what ever the outcome if she dicks with me she will go from a 3300 dollar a month package to 600 dollar a month check for child support.

This will force her to start doing things like finding guys to pay rent etc in return for favors.

The old saying, the grass is always greener on the other side? that is till you get there.

If she comes home great, if not her loss, not mine. Doesn't mean that I don't love her though strange as that may sound and contrary to what I have advised people to do in the past.

 

[The_Ghost]

Chesty, you gotta stop the couselour said this about her or agrees about me on her on this that and everything.

Until you stop talking about her and involving her in all your thought processes you are not moving on or healing.

Time to suck it up and stop living in the past and accept the fact that this is done.

 

[Werd]

Chesty, you gotta stop the couselour said this about her or agrees about me on her on this that and everything.

Until you stop talking about her and involving her in all your thought processes you are not moving on or healing.

Time to suck it up and stop living in the past and accept the fact that this is done.

WERD

 

[chesty]

I have moved on. I also agreed to give the process 6 months. So, until then I will do this. I also told the wife that I am gone next week and I am not coming back. So, she can either come to me or be on her own and figure out how she will live. Violate my trust on this and she will be way screwed. I have all the legal stuff in place to protect me if she decides to go off the deep end.

 

[Viking850]

I also agreed to give the process 6 months. .

So in other words what your saying is this:

Jami, go ahead and continue with the affair with your boyfriend for the next 6 months if you wish. During this time I will pay all of the bills so you won't have to work. Then YOU can decide if you want to come back to me or stay with him. I will take you back no matter what because I love you unconditionally.

 

[jestros]

Why dont you get custody of the kids? I got mine, best thing that could have happened.
I wouldnt for a million bucks leave my kid with a psyco slut like your X.

 

[Werd]

Why dont you get custody of the kids? I got mine, best thing that could have happened.
I wouldnt for a million bucks leave my kid with a psyco slut like your X.

Ummmm sorry, but you need to back that thang up.

Custody to a psycho slut?.... or to the man that made her become that way?


You're right.

A man that can fuck his wife up like that would be a much better parent than a woman who doesn't know which way is up because she dedicated her life to a controlling jerk that waiting far too long (ie - some other controlling jerk that AIN'T HIM to want her) to *snap out of it* and realize - "HEY I AM A CONTROLLING JERK... BUT I REALLY DO LOVE HER!"

 

[jestros]

A man that can fuck his wife up like that ....
"HEY I AM A CONTROLLING JERK... BUT I REALLY DO LOVE HER!"

Your saying these things about chesty? or me?

 

[Werd]

Your saying these things about chesty? or me?

I don't know you so I can't say.

I am talking specifically about Chesty's situation as sadly I know it all too well... and I am not talking about what I have read on elite. I am talking about info I know off the boards both in his situation and experience that I have gleened from my own.

 

[chesty]

Yep, the difference is I started to wake up quite some time ago. She hasn't begun to wake up yet. So, if it is that she won't do what is required of her in the counseling to get the results she wants, ie keep on swabbing this guys crank, then she gets what she puts into it. Nothing. I will honor the requirements and committments given to us to make this successful for me. If she is there at the end and wants to make it work great if not, I will not suffer over it. I have already done that. She will have to pay the price for lying to herself. Yes, I would take her back. Don't expect anyone to understand either.

 

[Werd]

Yep, the difference is I started to wake up quite some time ago. She hasn't begun to wake up yet. So, if it is that she won't do what is required of her in the counseling to get the results she wants, ie keep on swabbing this guys crank, then she gets what she puts into it. Nothing. I will honor the requirements and committments given to us to make this successful for me. If she is there at the end and wants to make it work great if not, I will not suffer over it. I have already done that. She will have to pay the price for lying to herself. Yes, I would take her back. Don't expect anyone to understand either.

Chesty - I 100% UNDERSTAND!

But listen carefully to what I am saying. Once you have done your work in counseling to better understand YOU (separate from your issues with her) - YOU MAY VERY WELL NOT WANT HER ANYMORE. Not saying this because she is a "crazy psycho whore" (as the men with small minds and even smaller penises on here say) but because you will have evolved into the type of person that no longers craves a relationship with the type of person she STILL IS BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EVOLVED as she is refusing to face her own issues independent of you.

I was asked an interesting question recently.

If my ex was NOT crazy (as he has been legally proven to be) would he still be a good father? My instant answer was, "If he wasn't crazy then we would still be married!"

Again that same person, just 48 hours later, asked me the same question. And it was pointed out to me why I am in counseling in the first place - I failed to recognize that though my ex may truly believes in his mind that he loves our kids - HE IS AND ALWAYS WAS A TERRIBLE FATHER... that the only positive fathering he did was as a direct result of MY influence.

How could any man that HATES a child's mother, be a good father?

I still have a very long way to go before I can properly assess who I bring into my life and subsequently into the lives of my kids.

Seriously, once you get deeper into counseling for YOU, you will see her totally differently. If she could only realize for HERSELF how much she is shortchanging the kids by not facing her own issues. I would have remained in counseling all along 3 years ago when my nightmare began, but I was not so lucky to have an ex that cared about our kids. I didn't have any money. Finally I found a GREAT ORGANIZATION that helps abused women - they have a sliding scale for fees and if I can't find 30$ a week to get my head out of my ass then I may as well just buy a gun and do my kids a favor and blow my fucking brains out.

 

[chesty]

Ours is a sliding scale too. The way I look at it and read 1 Corinthians 13.4-8 is that I may very well not feel the same way. But the whole point is to become a better person and for her to become a better person and then together relearn how to love each other. If she is an unwilling participant then she loses.

To me this fight is worth it. In the end I will be better no matter the outcom.

 

[jestros]

Not saying this because she is a "crazy psycho whore" (as the men with small minds and even smaller penises on here say

I know that one was aimed at me.
Look, she is married, has kids and is cheating, and wont stop.
To me that makes her a psyco whore. If she has problems with chesty, she should work them out without jumping on another guys sausage.
IMHO, when you get married, it's a lifetime deal, especially when you have kids.
Chesty, stop being reasonable and go for custody!!!!!
In 3 years when your emotions for her are gone, and you can think with your brain again, you'll thank me.

 

[chesty]

I might

 

[GoldenDelicious]

i understand chesty. unconditional love, and the 6 month thing is your closure and to adress your guilt.

its a huge step having to back away from the protector role and watching someone you love crash and burn. neccessary though.

good luck mate

 

[Werd]

To me this fight is worth it. In the end I will be better no matter the outcom.

That is what I have been saying from the getco.

 

[chesty]

Amen.

 

[Werd]

I know that one was aimed at me.
Look, she is married, has kids and is cheating, and wont stop.
To me that makes her a psyco whore....

Chesty, stop being reasonable and go for custody!!!!!
In 3 years when your emotions for her are gone, and you can think with your brain again, you'll thank me.

Sorry, he won't get custody... as HE MADE HER THAT WAY.

Joint physical and joint legal is what he will get regardless... unless she gives it to him.

I am telling Chesty to protect his custodial rights.. NOT TRY TO TAKE HERS AWAY... there is a HYUGE difference.

 

[jestros]

Just so you know, in custody cases these days, possesion is 9/10s of the law.
So if you live in seperate places, and the kids are with her for 6 months, you will have a hell of a time getting custody. You will have to prove she is an unfit parent, and that's alot harder to prove than you'd think.
Your best bet is to get the kids with you now, just tell her you'll figure out custody later. Werd is gonna love that but she is a man hater so dont listen to her.
Trust me, the most important thing in a fathers live is his kids. Do you want to have your kids living with your x in 3 years, she's on her 6th boyfriend and being a f-ed up role model?

 

[jestros]

as HE MADE HER THAT WAY.

Yeah, you're right, men make women do all the bad things they do. Shit if it wasnt for us this would be the perfect world. He practically got his wife naked and stuck some guys dick in her. Damn, what was I thinking.

 

[Werd]

Just so you know, in custody cases these days, possesion is 9/10s of the law.
So if you live in seperate places, and the kids are with her for 6 months, you will have a hell of a time getting custody. You will have to prove she is an unfit parent, and that's alot harder to prove than you'd think.
Your best bet is to get the kids with you now, just tell her you'll figure out custody later. Werd is gonna love that but she is a man hater so dont listen to her.
Trust me, the most important thing in a fathers live is his kids. Do you want to have your kids living with your x in 3 years, she's on her 6th boyfriend and being a f-ed up role model?

Man-hater? Naaaaaaaaah I only hate abusive assholes and they come in BOTH genders.

Yea, that's right... let's talk about the law.... FUCK THOSE KIDS AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM!

Be prepared when you go through those psychological evaluations though, a money-hungry attorney might be fooled, but the shrink won't be.

Let's see it only cost MY KIDS 100 THOUSAND USD to find out that their father is LEGALLY crazy.

 

[Werd]

Yeah, you're right, men make women do all the bad things they do. Shit if it wasnt for us this would be the perfect world. He practically got his wife naked and stuck some guys dick in her. Damn, what was I thinking.

I suppose she made him cheat as well, right?

Yea, and I suppose all those guys that beat their wives and gf's to the ground were MADE to do it?!

LOL

 

[jestros]

FUCK THOSE KIDS AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM!

Why is it best for them to be with thier mom?

 

[Werd]

Why is it best for them to be with thier mom?

Did you not read a word I typed?

Where did I say that?

 

[jestros]

I suppose she made him cheat as well, right?

Yea, and I suppose all those guys that beat their wives and gf's to the ground were MADE to do it?!

LOL

Ok, so he cheated? And that makes him an unfit parent? She did too right?

Did he beat her, or are you just bringing that up because all men are evil?

Back to my question, why is it best for his kids to live with thier mom?

 

[chesty]

She is not a bad person, she has just been around those lately with bad influences and bad intentions. She needs to think for herself instead of continuing her passive, low self-esteem personality. Otherwise, she will be a sausage rack

 

[Werd]

Ok, so he cheated? And that makes him an unfit parent? She did too right?

Did he beat her, or are you just bringing that up because all men are evil?

Back to my question, why is it best for his kids to live with thier mom?

Back to MY question:

Show me one place where I said that it would be better for the kids to reside with Chesty OR her.... please.

Where did I say Chesty beat his wife?

And I clearly stated that abusive assholes come in BOTH genders.

Frankly, unlike you, I don't give a fuck about Chesty or his wife.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS FOR THOSE KIDS... Obviously, by your lack of being able to comprehend the simple things that I DO say and your feeling the need to put words into my mouth that were never there - you are clearly demonstrating that you have an agenda far different then that.

Don't you worry none, though... we can all see it. And by Chesty's replies... it is clear that he can see that as well.

 

[Werd]

She is not a bad person, she has just been around those lately with bad influences and bad intentions. She needs to think for herself instead of continuing her passive, low self-esteem personality. Otherwise, she will be a sausage rack

Her being a sausage rack is the least of anyone's worries. There are things far worse that could come to pass and I really wish that you would stop saying things like that.

I know you are angry at her for "pissing it all away" - I was fucking pissed at my ex for that for a long time too.. but I WISH he would poke some other pussy... then MAYBE he would leave me and my kids THE FUCK ALONE!

 

[Viking850]

Unconditional Love is complete B.S. It lacks any sense of logic, sanity, or reason. It omits standards for decency or morals and basically gives the person getting "unconditional love" the green light to act without any sense of personal responsibility for their actions. It also completely disregards how the actions will affect others.

In a marriage and other relationships, there has to be a mutual respect between the parties and a common standard of morality(ie knowing the difference between right and wrong).

Do you "unconditionally love" a spouse that is physically abusing you?

Do you "unconditionally love" someone at work who regularly steals from you and the company?

Do you "unconditionally love" a cheating spouse who refuses to stop cheating and let him/her continue while you wait?

Do you "unconditionally love" a family member who is hooked on cocaine, steals anything he can get his hands on for his next fix, and refuses to get help?

The answer to all of the above in absolutely not!

 

[chesty]

I am not angry. I am genuinely concerned that she at the moment has the great potential to ruin her life, which will in turn hurt the kids. I don't want to see her end up being passed around to pay for rent. I hope that never happens, but at this moment she is headed that way fast with no brakes.

I spent 17 years staying pissed at my first wife and it bled into my second marriage and it drained me of my humanity. I can't do that any more and refuse to as well.

 

[jestros]

Back to MY question:

Show me one place where I said that it would be better for the kids to reside with Chesty OR her.... please.

you said

Man-hater? Naaaaaaaaah I only hate abusive assholes and they come in BOTH genders.

Yea, that's right... let's talk about the law.... FUCK THOSE KIDS AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM!

I assumed when you said that you meant that it wasn't best for the kids to be with chesty.

Where did I say Chesty beat his wife?

you said

I suppose she made him cheat as well, right?

Yea, and I suppose all those guys that beat their wives and gf's to the ground were MADE to do it?!

Really you need to keep all that BS outta the thread if it doesnt have to do with the situation.

Frankly, unlike you, I don't give a fuck about Chesty or his wife.

how nice of you.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS FOR THOSE KIDS...

If that is your only concern why did you get all mad when I gave him advise to get custody. Again, why is it not best for the kids to be with him?

Obviously, by your lack of being able to comprehend the simple things that I DO say and your feeling the need to put words into my mouth that were never there - you are clearly demonstrating that you have an agenda far different then that.

Your the one throwing things out like cheating guys who beat their wives, and I have an agenda?
I was looking out for the guy, he has a similar situation to the one I had.
Good luck chesty.

 

[Werd]

you said

I assumed when you said that you meant that it wasn't best for the kids to be with chesty.



you said

Really you need to keep all that BS outta the thread if it doesnt have to do with the situation.



how nice of you.

If that is your only concern why did you get all mad when I gave him advise to get custody. Again, why is it not best for the kids to be with him?



Your the one throwing things out like cheating guys who beat their wives, and I have an agenda?
I was looking out for the guy, he has a similar situation to the one I had.
Good luck chesty.

See all of your issues are based on one thing:

YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED I SIDED WITH "THE CRAZY WHORE".


*AAAAAAAAAAHHHH*


WRONG.

Chesty and his wife did this to EACH OTHER - so I don't give a fuck about either one of them (guess what? I AM CHESTY'S FRIEND!!!) They are adults and need to pull their heads out of their asses.

See, I had a circumstance very similar to his as well, but I got it from the "other end" - yea, I am "the crzay psycho whore". Only turns out that my ex is the one who is LEGALLY CRAZY and *cough* guess what else? I AIN'T NO WHORE. Just because a woman decides she no longer wants to fuck her crazy controlling husband, does not make her a whore if she actually wants to fuck some other guy!

But being as how Chesty is my friend and REALLY REALLY is doing soul-searching and truly wants to be a better person FOR HIMSELF - he recognizes that they BOTH must shoulder responsiblity - I am actually looking out for HIM.

However, "get custody and fuck that crazy whore because I am a woman-hating asshole myself" positions are not helpful to anyone.

I was clearly VEHEMENTLY defending Chesty's rights as a parent.

He wants to move away. That is HIS CHOICE. (Just as it was mine to move away in my case.) He had better be DAMNED sure that he knows what he is doing legally - and for his kids.

For you to suggest that he "trick" his wife into getting temporary custody not giving a fuck about what is best for his kids I find to be socially disgusting, but morally reprehensible as well.

Children need fathers, that is true.

But unless you can provide me with something a little bit stronger than "she is a psycho whore because she would rather fuck somebody other than me" I am sorry - a child belongs with their mother. If you can't see this, then that is on you.

What is it with white American men?

NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD DO MEN ACTUALLY ENJOY USING CHILDREN TO FUCK WITH THEIR MOTHERS. BLACK AND LATIN AMERICAN MEN DON'T DO THIS... WHITE MEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES DONT DO THIS. ASIAN MEN DONT DO THIS.

ONLY WHITE AMERICAN MEN REGULARLY USE THEIR KIDS TO FUCK ON THEIR CHILDREN'S MOTHERS.

SHAME THE FUCK ON YOU!

 

[jestros]

Werd, you really need some counseling.
Stop making this about you, if you want to make it about you, get your own thread.
Way to avoid all my questions,
I say
chesty should try to get custody
you say
FUCK THOSE KIDS AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM!
I say
why is it not best for the kids to be with him?
you say
YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED I SIDED WITH "THE CRAZY WHORE".

Arguing with you is like trying to nail jello to a tree.
Seriously, get counseling.

 

[Werd]

LOL Nice edit job

You say tomatoes and I say tomahtoes...

You say Chesty should try to get the kids.

No, what you are REALLY saying is:

FUCK YOUR KIDS CHESTY!

Because I used my kids to fuck with their mother, I think that you should do it too!!

hehehehehehee




And I think that arguing with you is rather amusing.

And it didn't even cost you 100K to be proven to be crazy... just a few posts on elite.






PS - it is BECAUSE I am getting counseling that it only took me reading ONE of your posts to see exactlywhat kind of man you are.

 

[jestros]

Because I used my kids to fuck with their mother, I think that you should do it too!!

PS - it is BECAUSE I am getting counseling that it only took me reading ONE of your posts to see exactlywhat kind of man you are.

Ok, listen, I got custody because I love my daughter and she means everything to me. My kid is well adjusted, smart, athletic, very friendly and all her teachers love her.
If you PM me I'll give you the # for her school and see if I'm lying. If I was really as awful as that it would show.
I have had custody for over 5 years, during which time her mom lived in another state and sees her daughter 3 times a year.
Single fathers CAN do a great job parenting, chesty feel free to PM me about anything. I remember how bad a felt during the divorce, and I'll help anyone I can get through it.

 

[powerforward]

ONLY WHITE AMERICAN MEN REGULARLY USE THEIR KIDS TO FUCK ON THEIR CHILDREN'S MOTHERS

how many white american men have you been married to? don't put all of you past experiences onto everyone else. also if your ex is crazy, doesn't that mean you made him that way?

 

[Werd]

Ok, listen, I got custody because I love my daughter and she means everything to me. My kid is well adjusted, smart, athletic, very friendly and all her teachers love her.
If you PM me I'll give you the # for her school and see if I'm lying. If I was really as awful as that it would show.
I have had custody for over 5 years, during which time her mom lived in another state and sees her daughter 3 times a year.
Single fathers CAN do a great job parenting, chesty feel free to PM me about anything. I remember how bad a felt during the divorce, and I'll help anyone I can get through it.

Hhhhhhhhmmmm something doesn't sound right with your story. Why would her mother PURPOSELY leave her only daughter (especially her being so young) with you?

And why do I say this?

BECAUSE YOU GIVE DECEPTIVE ADVICE ON HOW TO TAKE CUSTODY FROM THE CHILD'S MOTHER. AND ARE NOT ADVISING CHESTY ON HOW TO PROTECT HIS RIGHTS AS LOVING AND CONCERNED PARENT.

And the number to your daughter's school dont mean DICK to me. The counselor at my kids school JUST GOT BUSTED IN OUT AND OUT LIES at the reports she furnished the evaluators!

Sorry....

Something does NOT FLY with your story because you are working too hard to put words in my mouth that were never there.

Bottom line is this -

Unless you can give ANY COURT evidence more concrete than "she is a whore" NO CHILD would be better of with the father - NOT ONE. Not unless BOTH parents agreed to it of their own free will. In those cases - NO DECEPTION NEED COME INTO PLAY.



Chesty isn't an imbecile, fella. We have known each other for nearly 3 years now! LOL

What do you think? He is like you?!

Sorry, I don't know you, but from you have typed I dont WANT to.

Chesty is a good man. He needs help, that is true. All of us could us help sometimes. But I highly doubt anyone that gives a flying fahootie about their CHILDREN would need YOUR "help".


...only my .02

 

[Werd]

ONLY WHITE AMERICAN MEN REGULARLY USE THEIR KIDS TO FUCK ON THEIR CHILDREN'S MOTHERS

how many white american men have you been married to? don't put all of you past experiences onto everyone else. also if your ex is crazy, doesn't that mean you made him that way?

Sorry darlin'... but it is FACT.

Nowhere else in the world is the legal system designed for men to willy-nilly fuck with their children's mothers than in the US. Black american and Latin american don't do this shit... ONLY WHITE AMERICAN MEN.

And I am not the one who said my ex was crazy. IT WAS THE COURT APPOINTED PSYCHOLOGIST THAT HE SCREAMED UP AND DOWN IN COURT FOR... YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I AM JUST A CRAZY WHORE WHOSE CHILDREN NEED PROTECTION FROM HER!

heheheheheheheheeee

I have friends from all over the world and NO ONE can believe the shit that goes on in the US in regards to matters such as this. NO ONE.

I don't NEED to be married to more than one American man, Sugar. I only have to talk to someone at the busstop... or read posts on elite.... or turn on the TV.

Every other country in the world recognizes the sanctity of the mother-child relationship. Non-white American cultures recognize it too. The problem is that too many white American men are allowing themselves to be used by soulless money-grubbing attorneys with their own agendas. And they are too STOOPID to see past the ends of their dicks to recognize it! LOL

"But your honor - she is a crazy whore who wants to fuck *all* these other men so I WANT you to give me custody because that child's mother OBVIOUSLY doesn't love them anymore... She is alwhore can't you see? She can't POSSBILY love their child!... SHE WANTS TO FUCK ALL THESE OTHER MEN... THAT WHORE!!!"



The lawyers get rich.
The kids get fucked up.
But goddammit men like that sure showed everyone what a WHORE their exs where!... Didn't they?!
Now EVERYONE knows what a fucking WHORE that bitch is an on top of that I MADE HER FUCKING PAY FOR KICKING MY SORRY ASS OUT OF THE BED!And my kids are better off now that that WHORE is not their mother anymore.

 

[powerforward]

no one called you a crazy whore(so don't start that) you did call your ex psycho in this thread and i asked you if he is doesn't that mean that you made him that way(in regards to your earlier statement).

How is our legal system designed for men to f-over their childrens mothers. women get custody of their children more than men do.

And one last thing, if he is crazy, why would you ever let him have custody? especially if mothers having custody of their children is the best thing for them?
(if this last bit is a little to personal to answer, please disregard and i apologize/i know you have been thru a tough time and i don't mean to attack your situation)

 

[chesty]

Chesty will always take care of his family and that includes his wife. she comes back to me great she doesn't well that is her choice. But as long as she needs help I will provide it.

The kids will be taken care of and I will never allow them to become a pawn.

There is a difference here. I do what is right not what I want to do. What I want to do is find this ass hole (I already know where he lives and works. Caught her red handed with our truck in his driveway last saturday morning) beat him within an inch of his life and sexually dysfunctional the rest of his life. However, is that the right thing to do? No, it would not bring her back to me. The only way that happens is of her own free will and that she chooses to do so.

 

[jestros]

And the number to your daughter's school dont mean DICK to me.

Something does NOT FLY with your story because you are working too hard to put words in my mouth that were never there.



Unless you can give ANY COURT evidence more concrete than "she is a whore" NO CHILD would be better of with the father - NOT ONE.

1.I could scan 5 years worth of her report card with evaluations, but you'd believe they were fake, or think school was lieing. I could careless, I just want chesty to know that a man can sucessfully take care of his children.

2. I didnt put words in your mouth, I quoted your damn posts.

3. NO CHILD would be better with thier father, and your not a man hater?

 

[chesty]

A child will should be with both parents. If both are equally capable then it doesn't matter. If one has problems or is dysfunctional in some way that prevents them from properly raising a child then the child needs to be with the other parent. Chesty contracts so it is not in their best interest as I travel alot.

 

[Werd]

1.I could scan 5 years worth of her report card with evaluations, but you'd believe they were fake, or think school was lieing. I could careless, I just want chesty to know that a man can sucessfully take care of his children.

2. I didnt put words in your mouth, I quoted your damn posts.

3. NO CHILD would be better with thier father, and your not a man hater?

Ummm nope sorry, wrong again.

You DID put words into my mouth with a bit of editing LOL.

What I said was

*I am typing this slowly so you can understand*

Unless you can give ANY COURT evidence more concrete than "she is a whore" NO CHILD would be better of with the father - NOT ONE.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MANIPULATING THE LAW IN ORDER TO GAIN CUSTODY AND TAKE A CHILD FROM THEIR MOTHER BECAUSE SHE *IS A WHORE*.

If you think that any man could properly parent a child in those circumstances then you need to be evaluated.

All the scanned report cards on earth don't mean dick. I am not that child's mother - and I am neither her father. You are very obviously hiding something as you can only offer "her mother was a whore" as to why YOU SHOULD have custody.... Of course, I could be wrong, but judging by the manipulation of the spirit of the law advice that you are offering Chesty I am willing to wager that you can NOT offer a ONE sound reason.

...and to think, I thought you were a he-man woman hater! Where do ya think I got an idea like that?!

 

[Werd]

A child will should be with both parents. If both are equally capable then it doesn't matter. If one has problems or is dysfunctional in some way that prevents them from properly raising a child then the child needs to be with the other parent. Chesty contracts so it is not in their best interest as I travel alot.

You mean you don't think that the child by default BELONGS with the father if the mother is *a whore*?!

(You do realize Chesty, that my rhetorical question was NOT directed towards you.)

PS - I also agree with you that the children belong WITH BOTH PARENTS in the case of divorce. That is the optimal situation... but with all the He-Man Woman Hating Imbeciles... it is getting harder and harder for the kids.

 

[jestros]

You are very obviously hiding something as you can only offer "her mother was a whore" as to why YOU SHOULD have custody.... Of course, I could be wrong, but judging by the manipulation of the spirit of the law advice that you are offering Chesty I am willing to wager that you can NOT offer a ONE sound reason.

Did I say my x was a whore and thats why I got custody? No, I did not.

I was telling him to manipulate the law. I was explaining the reality of custody rules.
Which are:
If the kids live with the mom for 6 months, they arent going to change that.
Most men dont realize this and if they want to get custody, they need to NOT just move out, then let it play out in court.
You are a freaking loon and dont read a single word I write, so I wont bother with your posts anymore.

Chesty, Im glad your looking out for your kids, what with your traveling and all. I wish you luck.
Keep this in mind, you can't make someone change. If your wife wants to go down a different road, you should spend some serious time thinking about what you can do for yourself and your childern to make the best of it.

 

[Werd]

Did I say my x was a whore and thats why I got custody? No, I did not.

I was telling him to manipulate the law. I was explaining the reality of custody rules.
Which are:
If the kids live with the mom for 6 months, they arent going to change that.
Most men dont realize this and if they want to get custody, they need to NOT just move out, then let it play out in court.
You are a freaking loon and dont read a single word I write, so I wont bother with your posts anymore.

Chesty, Im glad your looking out for your kids, what with your traveling and all. I wish you luck.
Keep this in mind, you can't make someone change. If your wife wants to go down a different road, you should spend some serious time thinking about what you can do for yourself and your childern to make the best of it.

Nope wrong again...

You most certainly DID say those things because you said "I was in a situation similar to yours".... "Chesty, here is how to manipulate the law so you can TAKE CUSTODY from your wife... (I am assuming) Just like I did to my exwife"

...even though Chesty clearly stated several times that his wife is a good mother (even though she has some issues that she NEEDS to deal with) and he can NOT REPSONSIBLY HAVE NOR WANTS CUSTODY several times - another FACT that you are conveniently ignoring leading me to draw the conclusion that you don't give a fahootie about Chesty OR his kids. You clearly have your own agenda. And that is to ease your own consciense about what you did to your OWN child.

And again, I have yet to hear you give ONE REASON why any child is better off with the father. NOT ONE.

If you would even be silly enough to ask for ONE REASON why any child would be better off with the mother in situations where it is not possible for that child to be with both, then you, kind sir, are the loon.

 

[chesty]

I am thinking about the fact that she may go a different way. I have a set time limit in mind and beyond that anything that she do to want to come back at that point is borrowed time with no gaurantees. She doesn't know that, but I do.

 

[Werd]

I am thinking about the fact that she may go a different way. I have a set time limit in mind and beyond that anything that she do to want to come back at that point is borrowed time with no gaurantees. She doesn't know that, but I do.

Listen Chesty - you can *think* whatever you want. If you leave the state leaving her custody and you decide 6 months down the road that you have changed your mind, unless she has murdered someone, if she wants to fuck you by keeping the kids from you... SHE CAN.

Please protect yourself by getting the custody arrangements specifically spelled out before you do a goddamned thing, otherwise YOUR KIDS WILL BE AT HER WHIM TO USE AGAINST YOU IF SHE SO CHOOSES. Especially in your specific personal situatuion - the one that Mr Jestros is most likely unaware of.

(I guess that I am not a card-carrying member of the he-woman man-haters club after all )

 

[chesty]

You have to trust me on this one. I have all the legal stuff in order. She cannot leave the state for more than 60 days without my written permission and approved bythe courts.

I am not going to change my mind on this one. If I return to the house it is because she wants me too. If not like I said above, I have drawn a line in the sand at a specific time and anything beyond that is borrowed time for her. I dont' expect anything though to change unless she follows the directions of the counselor to the letter. So you won't catch me holding my breath.

 

[Werd]

OK Chesty.... I am only telling you that remember, she can do whatever the fuck she wants once you are gone and the only right you will have is it "file papers and take her to court" then you will have a 3-ring circus ensuing to prove that she did not violate your agreement. This could take many, many months as you know about my situation.

No one said that it would be LEGAL. I am only making you aware of what COULD BE done.

Good luck Chesty. Stay in counseling and fix YOURSELF.... You will be so much happier and be the parent that you want to be. Not knocking your parenting, Chesty.. not at all! Just telling you that you might not even be aware of how all of this has been affecting you in that regards. I know it wasn't until I fessed up to myself 100% how much in denial I was about what an absolute MONSTER my ex IS AND ALWAYS WAS - counseling helped me to see that and now I am working on fixing my head so that I will never EVER make that mistake again.

I am only looking out for you and your kids and believe it or not, I feel terrible for your wife. She has NO CLUE how much she is fucking herself by NOT going to counseling for herself... perhaps the reason she fighting that is because she MIGHT be feeling that the only reason you want her to go is not so that she can fix herself for herself and the kids, but because she feels you want her to fix herself... FOR YOU.

I want you to think about my last statement....

It puts you in a hard position, I know. You have been REALLY REALLY hurt and you have every right to be mad as hell. But you need to back off of her and treat this as if you guys are done. But not in an "I hope you fall on your ass, bitch" way... But in the regards that "you need to be free to do what you want to do FOR YOU". and then trust that she will not take your kindness and use the children to hurt you when she DOES fall on her ass. That is why I keep telling you to make ONE THOUSAND PERCENT SURE that she can not use your decisions against you later.

IF she feels that you truly are letting her go - not out of hate and anger - but because you recognize that you are truly trusting her to TRY to figure shit out FOR HER - then who knows what will happen.

I am asking you to think about A LOT.... Don't take my advice on faith. But I want you to please print out THIS POST of mine, take it to the counselor and see if any of what I am saying about what your wife *might* be thinking/feeling has ANY VALIDITY whatsoever.

I am not trying to blow air up your skirt or give you false hope or interfere in YOUR LIFE. I am merely trying to help you to understand so that YOU can make better decisions regarding such important life decisions.

As I said before, if my ex had shown 1/10 of the interest in fixing HIMSELF as you are showing here perhaps things might have turned out so much differently for my family. But shoulda, woulda, coulda... irrelevant at this juncture. All I care about is fixing me for me and my kids. My ex has made his own bed and will now have to answer for his behavior - in a court of law, but most important to OUR KIDS.

You're a good man, Chesty.

STEER CLEAR OF NEGATIVITY. SURROUND YOURSELF WITH POSITIVE THINGS!!!!

 

[chesty]

That is all true. That is why I have told her and I am doing it that I truly do love her and that is why I am letting her go. Because true love does not control, envy, etc. And that if there was a chance for us the only way she would come back is if it was of her own free will.

I talked to her about this at great length about the bf of hers, the fact that he broke up with her once because of the situation and how he said he couldn't handle it then he turns around and calls her two days later saying his eyes are wide open goin into this.

How she doesn't like not being able to see him let alone call him while we are under the same roof, because how would she know how she felt about him after a month. She told me he thinks that she wants t be with me and that is why she isn't seeing him right now so she is like if I can't talk to him how is he going to feel about me? Really, I could give a flying fuck (I didn't tell her that) So, she even has doubts about the whole thing. She don't sleep cause of the big mess as she puts it. Well, she created it, not me.

In the end all I did was tell her that as much as it hurts me, I truly love her and that because I do I must set her free and hope and pray that she may come home someday.

On a side note, with the money I am making now I will be able to hire a pi to take all the video, notes, pics etc as well as tape any phone convos from landlines at the house and from her cell phone. So, if she wants to play nasty in the end, she is in for a rude awakening.

But let's hope it don't go there.

 

[powerforward]

chesty, don't play nasty(pi's/phone tapping/etc.) just figure out the best course for your children and let her go. things are probably beyond repair and you need to get yourself started on the next part of your life.

get into a good church, get some postive people around you, try something new=think of something that you may have always wanted to do/be and go do it.
focus on these things and on helping your children deal with the situation that you and their mother has put them in, and be willing to help them thru this.

Best of luck man, and stay faithful and strong.
God Bless.

 

[Werd]

chesty, don't play nasty(pi's/phone tapping/etc.) just figure out the best course for your children and let her go. things are probably beyond repair and you need to get yourself started on the next part of your life.

get into a good church, get some postive people around you, try something new=think of something that you may have always wanted to do/be and go do it.
focus on these things and on helping your children deal with the situation that you and their mother has put them in, and be willing to help them thru this.

Best of luck man, and stay faithful and strong.
God Bless.

WERD