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Just couldnt wait.... MY NEW CYCLE.

BionicBC

A 'HALO' over my head...
Platinum
I was gonna wait a month to start this, but damn I couldnt. Here goes....

Jintropin @ 3iu daily, moving up to 4 later-6 months total
Slin-2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 10iu postworkout
T3-ramping up to 75mcg, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Clen 1 week on, 1 week off, 120mcg a day

Week 1-4
Dbol @ 25mg daily
Var @ 40mg daily

Week 5-10
Var @ 60mg daily
Winny @ 75mg daily


Also running a sustanon amp once every 4 days (to keep the libido up for the first 7 weeks) and then one amp of prop eod for the last 3 weeks (so all clears at same time for proper PCT).----Test IS the base for ALL cycles, even if is a low dose...
Plenty of Tylers, Milk Thistle, and Cranberry Juice, plus the 2 gallons of H20 a day.
Bionic
 
BionicBC said:
I was gonna wait a month to start this, but damn I couldnt. Here goes....

Jintropin @ 3iu daily, moving up to 4 later-6 months total
Slin-2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 10iu postworkout
T3-ramping up to 75mcg, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Clen 1 week on, 1 week off, 120mcg a day

Week 1-4
Dbol @ 25mg daily
Var @ 40mg daily

Week 5-10
Var @ 60mg daily
Winny @ 75mg daily


Also running a sustanon amp once every 4 days (to keep the libido up for the first 7 weeks) and then one amp of prop eod for the last 3 weeks (so all clears at same time for proper PCT).----Test IS the base for ALL cycles, even if is a low dose...
Plenty of Tylers, Milk Thistle, and Cranberry Juice, plus the 2 gallons of H20 a day.
Bionic

Shew, too much for me! Good luck with that, be careful with the slin.
 
vio said:
Looks good, but I think that's too much winny.. :)
shit, i was gonna run it at 100mg ed....
Bionic
 
looks god but i think its to much orals. if i were you (wich im not) i would use tren or NPP or EQ with test an jintropin.
 
BionicBC said:
I was gonna wait a month to start this, but damn I couldnt. Here goes....

Jintropin @ 3iu daily, moving up to 4 later-6 months total
Slin-2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 10iu postworkout
T3-ramping up to 75mcg, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Clen 1 week on, 1 week off, 120mcg a day

Week 1-4
Dbol @ 25mg daily
Var @ 40mg daily

Week 5-10
Var @ 60mg daily
Winny @ 75mg daily


Also running a sustanon amp once every 4 days (to keep the libido up for the first 7 weeks) and then one amp of prop eod for the last 3 weeks (so all clears at same time for proper PCT).----Test IS the base for ALL cycles, even if is a low dose...
Plenty of Tylers, Milk Thistle, and Cranberry Juice, plus the 2 gallons of H20 a day.
Bionic

Looks good. What are you trying to do? Cut I'm guessing. Good luck. Have you used slin b4?
 
Outtlaw said:
Why not run the var at 60mg all the way through?
Tryin to be at least kinda friendly on my liver while running the dbol for 1st 4 weels. But damn, after that im runnin 75-100mg winny ed with the 60mg var, so that logic isnt too sound, huh? Maybe i will just make it 60 all the way thru, and double up on the Tylers.... Funny thing is some guys are sayin this is too much, but id really like to throw some tren ace in there too....
LOL
Bionic :evil:
 
Oh and by the way, my stats starting off are:
5'10"
193lbs
9% b/f

Im currently running Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program, just began week 3, its kickin my ass, but its awesome (thanx madcow!!!!). So Im hoping this new cycle, plus this 'proven' program, will really take me to the next level.
Bionic :)
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
LOL 75mg too much?! :p
Like i said, im probably gonna do 100!!! :mix:
 
Carefull with the slin. I have a friend who competes nationally and has finished top two in the super heavy's. He said you don't need more than 2iu's post workout. He is 275, lean and thats all he uses. He is very open about what he does and what works.
 
slat1 said:
Carefull with the slin. I have a friend who competes nationally and has finished top two in the super heavy's. He said you don't need more than 2iu's post workout. He is 275, lean and thats all he uses. He is very open about what he does and what works.
2iu? Im not saying that wouldnt work, but i feel i can safely go higher. If you guys suddenly dont hear from me and i drop off the boards, youll know i was wrong.... j/k.
Im pretty careful about monitering my slin usage, i dont go above 10iu (thanx OUTLAW!)-I take in a proper amount of carbs. Most use about 10g carbs per iu of slin, Ive found im fine with 8g per iu. I usually inject my 10iu, then dring a nasty concoction of:
Grape Juice
NoXplode (creatine & NO2)
CEX (ethyl ester)
Rapid Recovery-(Protein/Carb/Glutamine Drink)

All this works out to about 80g carbs fillin up my freshly worked muscles with all them damn nutrients. LOVE IT.
Bionic
 
slat1 said:
Carefull with the slin. I have a friend who competes nationally and has finished top two in the super heavy's. He said you don't need more than 2iu's post workout. He is 275, lean and thats all he uses. He is very open about what he does and what works.
What do you guys think..... 2iu postworkout slin? Sounds low to me....
Bionic
 
Güclü_oglan said:
i would say should wait between the cycles!

and what cycle did you do before this one?
Week 1-4--DBol @ 35mg ed
Week 1-13--Test Enan @ 500mg/week
Week 1-12--Deca @ 400mg/week
Week 10-15--Winny @ 50mg ed
 
Everyone's been asking me about this 5 x 5 thing.... There are many variations, this is one variation of the 'true' 5 x 5 routine. Here goes...



Bill Starr's 5x5 program is also a nice alternative for future use. It is an excellent program to add size and strength. Over a period of 8-10 weeks.

This is slightly tweaked from Starr's original writeup:

I originally developed this tweaked variation on the 5x5 based on JohnSmith182's writeups on Meso. He is easily one of the most knowledgable strength coaches in the country so I'll paraphrase his words: This program is used by many athletes even at the most elite levels for at least part of the year. It is excellent at increasing overall strength. The main issue is that it is also too good at increasing lean body mass. Athletes who are close to their weight class limit often need to severely restrict their diets to avoid growing right out of their weightclass. Most of the gains appear during the final phase of the program as the body defatigues from the earlier volume phase.


Volume Phase 4 weeks - Deloading Period 1 week - Intensity Phase 4-5 weeks

M:
Squat 5x5 (3x3)
Bench 1x5 (1x3)
Row 1x5 (1x3)

W:
Squat 5x5 with 15-20% less than Monday (drop this lift)
Deadlift 5x5 (3x3)
Military 5x5 (3x3)
Pullups 5x5 (3x3)

F:
Squat


1x5 (1x3)
Bench 5x5 (3x3)
Row 5x5 (3x3)

Volume Phase - Weeks 1-4:
I use 5 sets of 5 reps at working weight standard (I don't count warmups) increasing the weight week to week and trying to set records in weeks 3 and 4. I try to focus on acceleration during these days. For exercises which I do twice a week I have a separate day which I perform a single set of 5 reps with the goal of setting records on the 3rd and 4th week for my best set of 5. For the squat I use Wednesday and utilize between 10-20% less than my working weight on the Monday workout - no goals for this. The main point here is the volume. Don't start the weights too high. Lower the weight if need be but get the sets and reps in - except where you are setting records. I also do a fair amount of warmups to keep my volume decently high on the single sets of 5 reps days.

Deloading Week - Week 5:
On week 5 DROP THE WEDNESDAT SQUAT WORKOUT, begin using the Intensity set/rep scheme (in parentheses), and keep the weight the same as your last week in the Volume Phase.

Intensity Phase - Week 6-10:
Everything is the same principal except that you use 3x3 and 1x3 setting records on week 9 and 10 (week 4 and 5 of this phase, still using rep scheme in parentheses). No Wednesday squatting. The important aspect of this phase is the weight increases. If you are so burned out that you need an extra day here and there that's okay. If you can't do all the work that's okay too. Just keep increasing the weight week to week.

Other Tweaks: You can be a little creative. I'm actually using this program right now but what I did was substitute inclines for military presses and I performed high pulls for the Volume phase and switched to the Sumo dead for the deloading and intensity phase. This allowed me to perform a bit of assistance work for my shoulders and rotator cuff as well as my quads. Keep in mind that this workout takes it's toll so don't throw in all kinds of garbage. I found that with the non-airconditioned gym I trained at the assistance work was almost non-existant in week 3 and 4. I also like to focus on speed on the 5x5 days. If you want to use bands and chains with this program those are the days to incorporate them.

Thoughts: It is very simple and incredibly effective. I think incorporating a focus on speed is important and this variation on the 5x5 allows one to fit it in relatively seamlessly as well as swap exercises and factor in any assistance work. One point - if you are squatting 3x per week in the volume phase and deadlifting one time throughout the whole program don't count on doing any major assistance work - throw in some occasional arm crap and some midsection work and that's it. The volume phase will also bury you if you run it too long and are an experienced lifter. The major problem people have with the workout is that they start too high in weight and can't successfully ramp up with proper volume. Beginning lifters might run a longer volume phase with much lighter starting weight than an experienced lifter who knows his strength and can regulate his intensity properly.
 
why such a heavy oral cycle???
obviously your not afraid of needles
750mg of test plus your slin/gh/clen stuff would make a much better cycle
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why such a heavy oral cycle???
obviously your not afraid of needles
750mg of test plus your slin/gh/clen stuff would make a much better cycle
I LOVE winny, and was gonna go injectable, but i had 25g of powder layin around so i just capped it up and gonna go that route. Bought a shitton of var for my girl, and havent ever ran that, so i figured id give it a go too. Heard it works well with Winny. Ill consider upping the Sust to 250mg every 3 days instead of 4.
Bionic
 
TheRide said:
If the winny is oral, I think I see where you are going w/this... absorbtion issues?
Exactly- i know oral and injectable is supposed to be the same, but i wanna make sure im getting AT LEAST 50mg ed. Ill just double up on Tylers and Milk Thistle to help my friendly liver.
Bionic :qt:
 
BionicBC said:
Exactly- i know oral and injectable is supposed to be the same, but i wanna make sure im getting AT LEAST 50mg ed. Ill just double up on Tylers and Milk Thistle to help my friendly liver.
Bionic :qt:


This is the age old debate between IM and oral... I have never used oral winstrol but upping the dosage makes logical sence to me. I have no scientific evidence of this, but it makes sence in my head.
 
TheRide said:
This is the age old debate between IM and oral... I have never used oral winstrol but upping the dosage makes logical sence to me. I have no scientific evidence of this, but it makes sence in my head.
Anyways, Winny is like milk, it does the body good. Well, maybe not your cholesterol. Or your liver. Or your joints. Or..... Shit, Nevermind.
Bionic
 
TheRide said:
This is the age old debate between IM and oral... I have never used oral winstrol but upping the dosage makes logical sence to me. I have no scientific evidence of this, but it makes sence in my head.

i saw a study where you lose about 50% of the potency if you drink your winny instead of injecting..so drinking 100mg of winny is approximately 50mg
 
wnt2bBeast said:
i saw a study where you lose about 50% of the potency if you drink your winny instead of injecting..so drinking 100mg of winny is approximately 50mg
Damn then i guess ill need to take 200mg ed.






































just kidding, liver.
Bionic
 
wnt2bBeast said:
lol..it wasnt my intention to make you want to increase your dose
just a joke, ill keep it at 75-100mg.
but.... i did just go into the bathroom and hit up a virormone prop in each quad. Im frontloadin with then mfkas too.... i left that part out. lol. :chomp:
Bionic
 
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