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I'm considering trying something novel sometime in the near future. Low dose Primo with a diet of protein, fat, and low (<50g) carbs. Thoughts?
I did that with a little l-dex thrown in too,right after a bulking cycle to drop a huge amount of blubber.Worked awesome,dropped a shitload of fat in record time,and kept a good percentage of my LBM intact.If cutting is the goal,go for it.Primo works well in a low carb,low cal environment.
georgie24 said:
Eq works quite well also...
I can't believe I left that out Doc,oxandrolone may be superior to them all in retaining mass on a calorie restricted diet(as it has been shown to elevate amino acid retention dramatically even in a FASTED state).Good point.
Themachine01
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I will be dropping my carbs to around 50 per day for the last 7 weeks of my 750mg/enanthate 12 week cycle
DrJMW said:
Couldn't agree more,it's my favorite overall anabolic.
sk* said:
What about fina???
I think btg makes that much of a difference cause you always praise it, I didn't like the generic dl var that I tried though.
-sk
Fina is definitely another multi-functional,powerful compound,but if I'm weighing side effects and the daily administration methods,ox gets my vote...BTG is definitely the most potent var out there,no doubt.
JP@Ironology
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DrJMW said:
Ox is great stuff.
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Actually my goal doing this is modest muscle gains, increased muscular definition, and continued fat loss.
I'm gonna run 200mg/week Primo, run 5 miles every morning on an empty stomach, work out intensely 5 afternoons/week, and eat clean protein and healthy fats with tons of salad at just above maintenance cals.
I'm gonna run 200mg/week Primo, run 5 miles every morning on an empty stomach, work out intensely 5 afternoons/week, and eat clean protein and healthy fats with tons of salad at just above maintenance cals.
I am on sustenon right now, ran the first 6 amps EOD, and since then i have been doing an amp every 5 days. I have kept a very strict diet and have been using Liquidex EOD. I have lost a shit load of fat and put on a great deal of muscle, i have viens coming out of everywhere. I am very pleased with the results from Sust with a low cal diet. I just started using QV EQ on Monday.
On the EQ, Huck do you think 1cc-200mg every 3 days, OR 500mg/week of EQ would be best?
M56M
On the EQ, Huck do you think 1cc-200mg every 3 days, OR 500mg/week of EQ would be best?
M56M
Once a week is fine.The undecylenate ester is a very slow release chain.
Huck,
Thank you for the quick reply, after i finish my sust, and i don't usually hold water on the EQ or winny, can i stop the liquidex and just continue after my cycle to help recovery alot with clomid, and HCG? I don't want to have to buy another bottle but if i have to i guess i will, thank you very much.
I have used EQ 2 times both were Ganabol at 450mg a week, i don't really want to get much bigger i am 222lb right now @ 5'9''. Should i do 400mg/week of QV EQ or bump it up to 600mg/week? Basically i want to harden up and get ripped at this points, i want to get down to about 215lbs @ 8-9% bf.
Thanks for you help.
M56M
Thank you for the quick reply, after i finish my sust, and i don't usually hold water on the EQ or winny, can i stop the liquidex and just continue after my cycle to help recovery alot with clomid, and HCG? I don't want to have to buy another bottle but if i have to i guess i will, thank you very much.
I have used EQ 2 times both were Ganabol at 450mg a week, i don't really want to get much bigger i am 222lb right now @ 5'9''. Should i do 400mg/week of QV EQ or bump it up to 600mg/week? Basically i want to harden up and get ripped at this points, i want to get down to about 215lbs @ 8-9% bf.
Thanks for you help.
M56M
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M56M said:
Yes clomid/HCG will sufficient post-cycle.
gimp
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I'm doin'
Winstrol (injectable) 50mg eod (it's my first time)
Prop 125mg eod
I'm also eating under 100 grams of carbs/day. Doing tons of cardio in the a.m. 5 days/ week and lifting in the p.m. 5 days per week. Strange thing is my weight has actually gone up despite the fact that I'm eating under maintenance? I started out at 240lbs. Now, I'm 245 lbs ? I don't have any noticeable bloat....WTF is goin'on ?
Winstrol (injectable) 50mg eod (it's my first time)
Prop 125mg eod
I'm also eating under 100 grams of carbs/day. Doing tons of cardio in the a.m. 5 days/ week and lifting in the p.m. 5 days per week. Strange thing is my weight has actually gone up despite the fact that I'm eating under maintenance? I started out at 240lbs. Now, I'm 245 lbs ? I don't have any noticeable bloat....WTF is goin'on ?
gimp,
Have you noticed any fat loss?
i started my cycle at 217lb and i eat about 20 carbs a day, and now i am 222lbs, and i am 2 weeks in, i am taking liquidex so i know i am not holding much water. But i can see myself getting leaner and the scale keeps going up up up. ITs becuase the juice is holding onto your existing mucsle and at the same time burning fat, and adding extra muscle as it goes along, AND keep in mind muscle weighs more than fat, so therefore you will gain on the scale, but you shouldn't worry about that, let the mirror be the judge.
M56M
Have you noticed any fat loss?
i started my cycle at 217lb and i eat about 20 carbs a day, and now i am 222lbs, and i am 2 weeks in, i am taking liquidex so i know i am not holding much water. But i can see myself getting leaner and the scale keeps going up up up. ITs becuase the juice is holding onto your existing mucsle and at the same time burning fat, and adding extra muscle as it goes along, AND keep in mind muscle weighs more than fat, so therefore you will gain on the scale, but you shouldn't worry about that, let the mirror be the judge.
M56M
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Yes,if eq gives you no probs,then that will be fine.
Gimp,
How long have you been on this so far? Give it at least 3 0r 4 weeks before really worrying about anything. If thats your weight and you are on winny/prop i am pretty sure that you are not gaining fat from eating 50g of carbs a day.
Huck you are losing me here? where did you come out with the 'if EQ gives you no problems' our we reading the same posts? Sorry for the confusion, i will try to clarify things.
I asked " I know they will work post cycle but how about WITH the liquidex becuase i heard that liquidex really helps also post cycle? and i am wondering if i can cut it out after the sust, and save half the bottle for post cycle. "
I am talking about the liquidex here, not the EQ, the EQ question was just how much i should take for my goals but you didn't answer it before so i left it alone and started a new thread for it. I just started an EQ link here for that question .
Let me know if i am confusing you more...lol...i am sorry about the confusion, and thank you for the help its appreciated.
M56M
How long have you been on this so far? Give it at least 3 0r 4 weeks before really worrying about anything. If thats your weight and you are on winny/prop i am pretty sure that you are not gaining fat from eating 50g of carbs a day.
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Huck you are losing me here? where did you come out with the 'if EQ gives you no problems' our we reading the same posts? Sorry for the confusion, i will try to clarify things.
I asked " I know they will work post cycle but how about WITH the liquidex becuase i heard that liquidex really helps also post cycle? and i am wondering if i can cut it out after the sust, and save half the bottle for post cycle. "
I am talking about the liquidex here, not the EQ, the EQ question was just how much i should take for my goals but you didn't answer it before so i left it alone and started a new thread for it. I just started an EQ link here for that question .
Let me know if i am confusing you more...lol...i am sorry about the confusion, and thank you for the help its appreciated.
M56M
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DepressiveJuice
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you guys think its really possible to increase LMB with <50g carbs? IMO thats not enough carbs is it? wouldnt it be beneficial to add 200-300g carbs every 4-5th day?
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DepressiveJuice
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thats basically a CDK then. im looking into crumb's diet where he recommends to eat carbs post workout only and carbup every 3-4 days.
gimp
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I'm 12 days into the cycle. Eating every 2 hours, mostly chicken and brocolli. Yeah, I was thinking that I was probably gaining some lean mass...but, I'm really surprised 'cause usually I need ALOT of carbs to grow...around 800+ grams/day. Now, I'm barely eating any carbs and it looks like I'm growing... my protein is high around 400grams/day, which is not unusual for me. I didn't think I could grow on no carbs... So, you think it should level off in around 1 month? maybe, I'm responding well to the prop, it's only my second time on test and first time for winny.
LOL,I was referring to eq because you said you don't experience bloat from it and were wondering if you still needed to run liquidex.I was under the assumption you were running the eq past the sust,and were wondering if you still needed to run liquidex during this period or not.Either way,yes,the liquidex will help with recovery post-cycle,but is not an absolute necessity where clomid/HCG are already being ran(as they are sufficient for recovery on their own).
Gimp,
Well that is what usually happens with me bro, i will gain LBM for about a month or so, then it will level out and the fat burn really gets intense, and i stop gaining a shit load of muscle, my goal is basically to get ripped so thats why i this works for me, a bit of muscle, then comes a shit load of fat loss.
Huck,
Ok now we are on the same page, or let me say post. LOL.
Thanks alot i appreciate it, i am actually running the EQ a little past the sustenon, and i know that liquidex helps your balls from shrinking becuase of the estrogen it blocks, thats why i was wondering if i should use it with the EQ. But i am going to stop once finish the sust, and use it post cycle. Hopefully it might help me recover a bit better, we will see.
Thanks again.
M56M
Well that is what usually happens with me bro, i will gain LBM for about a month or so, then it will level out and the fat burn really gets intense, and i stop gaining a shit load of muscle, my goal is basically to get ripped so thats why i this works for me, a bit of muscle, then comes a shit load of fat loss.
Huck,
Ok now we are on the same page, or let me say post. LOL.
Thanks alot i appreciate it, i am actually running the EQ a little past the sustenon, and i know that liquidex helps your balls from shrinking becuase of the estrogen it blocks, thats why i was wondering if i should use it with the EQ. But i am going to stop once finish the sust, and use it post cycle. Hopefully it might help me recover a bit better, we will see.
Thanks again.
M56M
Even if you lose some testicular volume during the eq,it will be minimal,and the HCG will bring it right back.
