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WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE A FEW DRINKS ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WHILE ON A CYCLE OF DECA??????
WILL IT HINDER GAINS????? THKS LUKE
WILL IT HINDER GAINS????? THKS LUKE
Juice And Alcohol Consumption
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MikeyLikesJuice
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it will hinder some gains and from experience with friends juice and alcohol don't mix, this helps produce roid rage. SOme are fine though, others are not.
Mr. Las Vegas
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Drinking to the point of a buzz is fine. Just make sure you eat when your out, you have to keep your food intake consistant.
flex2000 said:
Like i said once a week is fine, just make sure it's the dark variety beer as that is preferable. And as far as the dosage, well till you have a buzz is fine, some snacks like say nachos with melted cheese and meat will do well as well. Remember that your body needs that variety and fats. Once a week a high fat/beer binge will not likely hinder your progress, in our case it speeds it up.
Also i meant to tell someone a while ago, that hile cycling you will get much better results from eating more natural fat, and slightly less protein and carbs. This is because our bodies have evolved to process fat extremly efficiently, especially in moderate ammounts. This i must say has been the secret us making incredible gains from so little gear. Too many people make the mistake (including me in the past) of basically having a super clear "sterile" diet while on the gear. But i learned that just as the body reponds to a varied training routine, it well, also responds exremply well to a varied diet approach. It just makes sence and works big time.
I agree with you to an extent, gwl9dta4, but you really have to watch out if your on 17aa's. I had a few too many drinks when on dbol and winny and I was yellow the next day and couldn't shake off the fuzzy feeling for two days. I'd try it (drinkin moderately)but wouldn't do it, if after the first time you feel terrible.
WRJ
Oh yeah, and always consume "foods while your drinkin" is great advice.
WRJ
Oh yeah, and always consume "foods while your drinkin" is great advice.
wrj said:
Agree 100%, but in the post i said i only use sust and/or deca. I personally do not like orals, in my opinion they work better for the impatient and stress the liver, kidneys and heart too much for an extra few pounds. Hell i wanna cycle and still be healthy and ENJOY LIFE, hence pass the Guiness.
Enjoy 
The Canadian Oak said:
Man it's you again, just kidding. I think you missed the point. We drink the dark beer for it's specific type of carbs AND calories. They are very beneficial and give you incredible pumps when it circulates in your system for an hour or so. Speeds reocvery also. And shocking your body once a week with a calorie spike is good.
Digital Ricky
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I totally agree with gwl9dta4, the dark beers also help with protien sythesis. But as for drinking with the 17aa's, stay away from that......later bro's.
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Cuts
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Ethanol suppresses both GH and Testo and increases Cortisol levels. Too bad it's just so much damn fun to drink!
shokjosh456
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flex2000 said:
drinking in moderation is fine,just keep in mind the cals,liver and hydration.ill go out once in a while and get shit faced.like i said"once in a while".i just drink water before,during and after i go out.i also may have a couple of beers after work.ive never had a problem.just keep it simple,dont binge or over do it.
GLADIATOR351
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NOT A GOOD COMBO BRO.... JUICE PUTS ENOUGH STRESS ON THE LIVER ..... NO NEED TO ADD MORE STRESS BY DRINKING.
shokjosh456
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AS doesnt have any more effect on the liver than 800mg motrin,1000mg acetamtephine,naproxen,etc..with the exception of a few(dbol and any oral).taking 2 to 4 advil a day has roughly the same effect on liver as 400mg test inject a week.
bulldawg96
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i don't recommend ever drinking while juicing, it dehydrates you and your muscles. plus you don't need the added stress on your liver. just always carry a water bottle with you and then you won't drink.
lexus_2001
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bro one word>>>>moderation i drink once a week cause i just cant take being around my friends who are all getting smashed and im chillin with some fuckin aquafina lol. what i usually do is before i got out i drink plenty of water and pop a couple cran extract pills and some milk thistle and them its on i drink till im trashed and when i stumble out the club i hit the food stand and get a big ass chicken sandwich with some water and drive my ass home and sleep the night away. i still get awesome gains and have done this for 4 cycles now- lexus
GearCowboy
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I think that EVERYONE on this topic would see better gains if they were to stop their drinking. Alcohol is the devil... Especially while on gear!
BigRugbyMan
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It wont hinder your muscle gains... but it will dehydrate you and cause low performance in the gym,,, Then it will affect your gains... But it doesnt have a direct effect... Plus it adds a bit of extra stress on the liver... Just drink in moderation, preferably the night before an off day in the gym
FarBeyondDriven
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I don't drunk at all, stuff's bad 4 ya. My partner will tie one on ever Saturday and he is still growing like a newborn heifer. Rumor heard Arnold, his training so outdated now, used to drink a glass of dark ale before working out for the carbs, rumor. Of course he did not juice. Actually though have always heard a beer a day was good for you to flush out kidneys, wonder what lush figured that one out?
Ercole
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Alcohol and juice
It's not necessary to be an abolute teetotaler, but alcohol in any amount is CATABOLIC -- it eats up your hard-earned muscle tissue -- so it reduces the effectiveness of your gear.
As others have mentioned, alcohol even in moderation puts stress on the liver, and when you're on gear you're usually already stressing your liver. Not a good idea.
So drinking, like smoking, is only going to hurt your gains. That said, of course, we all know there are even some pros who drink on an occasional basis.
But every ounce of alcohol you DON'T consume will be something your bod and your muscles will thank you for. My two cents.
It's not necessary to be an abolute teetotaler, but alcohol in any amount is CATABOLIC -- it eats up your hard-earned muscle tissue -- so it reduces the effectiveness of your gear.
As others have mentioned, alcohol even in moderation puts stress on the liver, and when you're on gear you're usually already stressing your liver. Not a good idea.
So drinking, like smoking, is only going to hurt your gains. That said, of course, we all know there are even some pros who drink on an occasional basis.
But every ounce of alcohol you DON'T consume will be something your bod and your muscles will thank you for. My two cents.
Re: Alcohol and juice
But every ounce of alcohol you DON'T consume will be something your bod and your muscles will thank you for. My two cents. [/B][/QUOTE]
The key is moderation. How can an infusion of easily digestible carbs of long and short chains be not beneficial. The alcohol itself will help digestion and breakdown of protein in the digestive system. Not the muscle, someone had a leap of logic in saying it breaks down muscle tissue. No, it breaks down proteins in the digestive system for better digestion. 2 glasses of guiness once per week will only benefit and speed recovery. I will not argue the point till exhaustion, but we have proven this has been proven over and over again, the benefits of small doses of alcohol are tremendous, from positively affecting digestion (red wine), benefiting cholesterol profiles, protecting the cardivascular system and improving mood and disposition. Used properly it will enhance your gains. Not to mention how a glass of wine before bed time will aid in getting the best nights rest money can buy.
So remember the difference between hard liquoirs and ones like wine and beer. And again all the bad effects from alcohol come from it's ABUSE not Proper USE. Just like anabolics, would you not say?
But every ounce of alcohol you DON'T consume will be something your bod and your muscles will thank you for. My two cents.
[/B][/QUOTE]The key is moderation. How can an infusion of easily digestible carbs of long and short chains be not beneficial. The alcohol itself will help digestion and breakdown of protein in the digestive system. Not the muscle, someone had a leap of logic in saying it breaks down muscle tissue. No, it breaks down proteins in the digestive system for better digestion. 2 glasses of guiness once per week will only benefit and speed recovery. I will not argue the point till exhaustion, but we have proven this has been proven over and over again, the benefits of small doses of alcohol are tremendous, from positively affecting digestion (red wine), benefiting cholesterol profiles, protecting the cardivascular system and improving mood and disposition. Used properly it will enhance your gains. Not to mention how a glass of wine before bed time will aid in getting the best nights rest money can buy.
So remember the difference between hard liquoirs and ones like wine and beer. And again all the bad effects from alcohol come from it's ABUSE not Proper USE. Just like anabolics, would you not say?
Ercole
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Good post, but you're forgetting one thing. Your body mistakes alcohol for sugar (the molecules are very similar). That is why alcohol, even in small doses, is catabolic. Your muscles, attempting to recover and rebuild, take in alcohol, thinking it's sugar, but it's not. So the muscle can't recover properly.
Obviously if you drink very little, the effects will be minor.
But no amount of alcohol, no matter how small, is "good" for your muscles. Studies have shown small amounts of alcohol can have benefits to your cardiovascular system and cholesterol, but muscle is another story.
Obviously if you drink very little, the effects will be minor.
But no amount of alcohol, no matter how small, is "good" for your muscles. Studies have shown small amounts of alcohol can have benefits to your cardiovascular system and cholesterol, but muscle is another story.
Ercole
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Alcohol and insomnia
Gwl9dta4, in regard to your glass of wine before bedtime, this may give you a good night's sleep, but it has the opposite effect on lots of people.
Drinking wine or whatever before bed makes you sleepy, all right, but for many if not most people, this effect ends two or three hours later (when the alcohol has been metabolyzed) and they often wake up suddenly at two in the morning or so, and can't get back to sleep.
Consuming a "glass of wine" or the equivalent before bedtime is actually one of the commonest causes of insomnia. It knocks you out for two or three hours, but then you can spend the rest of the night awake from a sort of rebound effect.
I've noticed this myself. Anyone else have personal experience in this area?
Gwl9dta4, in regard to your glass of wine before bedtime, this may give you a good night's sleep, but it has the opposite effect on lots of people.
Drinking wine or whatever before bed makes you sleepy, all right, but for many if not most people, this effect ends two or three hours later (when the alcohol has been metabolyzed) and they often wake up suddenly at two in the morning or so, and can't get back to sleep.
Consuming a "glass of wine" or the equivalent before bedtime is actually one of the commonest causes of insomnia. It knocks you out for two or three hours, but then you can spend the rest of the night awake from a sort of rebound effect.
I've noticed this myself. Anyone else have personal experience in this area?
nautica
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I love beer, but to me it taste different, when I am on a heavy cycle. Almost like I am drinking poison or something. It may be in my head I don't know.
I would like to know how much more damage it could cause to the liver while on the gear
also, heavy drinking during puberty greatly increases the chances of gyno. I have wondered if this would happen while on the juice. I have noticed thay i am more tender after a night of drinking.
Does anybody know the correlation between drinking and gyno.
I would like to know how much more damage it could cause to the liver while on the gear
also, heavy drinking during puberty greatly increases the chances of gyno. I have wondered if this would happen while on the juice. I have noticed thay i am more tender after a night of drinking.
Does anybody know the correlation between drinking and gyno.
JohnnyHollywood
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Stay away from the alcohol! But if you decide to have some drinks, you'll get fucked up quicker than a pump on fina.
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Cuts
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O.k., so what I've gotten from all of this is that yes, alcohol is somewhat detrimental to gains for bodybuilders (esp. while on a cycle)... it won't nullify them, but it will definitely detract from them somewhat. The problem is, how are you supposed to go out to a nice club/bar, full of gorgeous women, and have fun drinking like 1 or 2 drinks? Hell, even I need around 5-6 to get a nice buzz (and I'm not all that big either). So, is there anything you can do/take to deliberately lower you tolerance for the consumed alcohol? I mean, it'd be great if there was some pill (OTC or otherwise) you could take that would have no effect by itself, but if you drank a little, you'd feel the buzz sooner, with fewer drinks. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
Sure dude, do what i do, when "ON" i do not eat anything for about 5 hours. Now when i got to the bar with my buddy we are starving and the muscles feel a little flat. So after 2 scooners of Guiness the buzz is kicking and the pump is starting to kick in hard. Feels really good. And considering that after drinking about 3 of them we already took in about 1000 calories then add in the burgers and appetizers and we leave at the end of the night having eaten about 2000-3000 cals. So that night i load up on water before hitting that sack and the next day i am full, pumped and vascular AND hydrated. So the next workout all i have to do is look at the bar and start to get a pump.
Moral of the story? Do not become a slave to the gear and weights, you muscles etc.. Moderation is key, i use the above methods and have a blast every time. And if i do give up 2 lbs of lean body mass in a cycle, so what. Big friggin deal. We must understand that it is very important to keep the MIND happy also. So don't deprive, have some fun.
Moral of the story? Do not become a slave to the gear and weights, you muscles etc.. Moderation is key, i use the above methods and have a blast every time. And if i do give up 2 lbs of lean body mass in a cycle, so what. Big friggin deal. We must understand that it is very important to keep the MIND happy also. So don't deprive, have some fun.
shokjosh456
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gwl9dta4 said:
AMEN BROTHER
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gwl9dta4 said:
Sounds good to me... I'll give it a try this weekend. Would I have to drink Guiness beer to make this work, or could I drink say... vodka & diet coke? Let me know man... if this really works for me like it does for you... I'll be forever indebted lol...
shokjosh456
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Cuts said:
drink the dark beer if you want the pump.better for protien synthesis(they say)drink liquor and diet drink if you want to consume less cals and carbs.no matter what anybody will tell you,1 beer = 1oz of 80 proof but 1 and 1/2 oz of liquor has same cals as one beer....see where im going with this?more alcohol with less cals.so u cant drink one beer with approximate 120 cals or 1 and 1/2 oz liquor at approx 110 cals.
SOLID
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drink responsibly, and only once in awile and you should be fine
1, 2, 3, beers ocasionally ain't gonna hurt ya.
Of course if you didn't ever drink, and always ate correctly, and always trained to your maxium ability, and always got your 8 hrs of sleep or more, and drank your 2 gallons of h20 a day, and never skipped or forgot to take your Vitamins and did everything correctly all the time- you'd see better results than a person who didn't follow your program...so ask yourself what it is you want...do I wanna be the best? Or do I wanna have a couple drinks now and then and have a good time, don't be so hard on yourselves unless your in it for competition. Enjoy your life, you only live once people, take advantage of the time we have here....
that will be $75 for my therapy fee. Thank you.
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1, 2, 3, beers ocasionally ain't gonna hurt ya.
Of course if you didn't ever drink, and always ate correctly, and always trained to your maxium ability, and always got your 8 hrs of sleep or more, and drank your 2 gallons of h20 a day, and never skipped or forgot to take your Vitamins and did everything correctly all the time- you'd see better results than a person who didn't follow your program...so ask yourself what it is you want...do I wanna be the best? Or do I wanna have a couple drinks now and then and have a good time, don't be so hard on yourselves unless your in it for competition. Enjoy your life, you only live once people, take advantage of the time we have here....
that will be $75 for my therapy fee. Thank you.
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Re: drink responsibly, and only once in awile and you should be fine
Thanks for your approval ... I gave you a Karma point for that lol !
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
Thanks for your approval ... I gave you a Karma point for that lol !
