J.C. Watts retires---sad day.

[huntmaster]

J.C. Watts--Oklahoma Congressman retired today.

He is one of a dying breed--an honorable man and a strong leader. someone who will eventually be labeled as a religeous zelot by folks on here when he is elected on a Presidential Ticket, or part of a cabinet.

anyway, hopefully he will not be out for long. He is a good man.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/07/01/watts.future/index.html

 

[strong island]

Oh shit its Canada Day...I have to call my Grandmother.

 

[the nature boy]

take away the religious part, and I like him.

 

[Longhorn85]

Not necessarily a sad day. I expect he'll move on to bigger and better things.

 

[Longhorn85]

take away the religious part, and I like him.

take away the religious part, and you don't have JC Watts.

 

[the nature boy]

so he'd dissapear?

 

[gymnpoppa]

take away the religious part, and you don't have JC Watts.

funny how these people suddenly pick up religious labels. Like Bush, he conveniently became religious right after Sept 11th.

 

[manny78]

JC Watts ? whooooo ?????

 

[the nature boy]

the only church dubya's been to is churches fried chicken. okay that was a very regional joke.

 

[Longhorn85]

funny how these people suddenly pick up religious labels. Like Bush, he conveniently became religious right after Sept 11th.

Oh, so you mean he wasn't religious when he was a preacher prior to entering politics? Don't be so quick to roll your eyes if you don't know the facts.

 

[Longhorn85]

so he'd dissapear?

As you know him, yes.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Oh, so you mean he wasn't religious when he was a preacher prior to entering politics? Don't be so quick to roll your eyes if you don't know the facts.

you speak as though ministers/religious leaders do nothing wrong........

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Longhorn85]

you speak as though ministers/religious leaders do nothing wrong........

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I never said he didn't do anything wrong. He admits to having a child out of wedlock among other things. Being a preacher doesn't make one any less human. You said he "got religion" after 9/11. That was a totally unfounded, flat wrong statement that you knee-jerkedly made because you assume the worst about our leaders. Like I said, you have a pessimistic, skewed view of life.

 

[gymnpoppa]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I never said he didn't do anything wrong. He admits to having a child out of wedlock among other things. Being a preacher doesn't make one any less human. You said he "got religion" after 9/11. That was a totally unfounded, flat wrong statement that you knee-jerkedly made because you assume the worst about our leaders. Like I said, you have a pessimistic, skewed view of life.

He got NOTED for religion, as Bush did after Sept 11th, nothing unfounded about that.

Whatever sheep, blind opinion you have, it's as ignorant, as any I've ever seen. You should look in the mirror. Your ignorant, blind views are disgusting.

 

[Longhorn85]

He got NOTED for religion, as Bush did after Sept 11th, nothing unfounded about that.

Don't try and back down from your knee-jerk comments. You said he convieniently became religious after Sep 11th, implying that he is not a sincerely religious man. You either said this in ignorance, or you just threw it out there to insult a good man. Either one reflects your cup-half-empty approach to life.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Don't try and back down from your knee-jerk comments. You said he convieniently became religious after Sep 11th, implying that he is not a sincerely religious man. You either said this in ignorance, or you just threw it out there to insult a good man. Either one reflects your cup-half-empty approach to life.

your half-blind approach to life is reflected in your posts, and I mean exactly what I said. Before Sept 11th, and I'm adding bush to this, the religious note was not there. It was conveniently added afterwards. Only a blind sheep like yourself would even attempt to label it an insult. Seeing as how you don't spend anymore time than I do around this man, you are in no position to tell me what he does. You're onto this pessimistic thing, because I note the shortcomings of your idiotic party. You refuse to. Sorry, it will continue. whoever I choose to opine about, just as you do, your opinion is just as ignorant as I stated. You post your typical sheep slanted views. I see the blatant corruption, and willingness of your party or the other party to ignore the faults. If you don't like that, you know what to do. Don't post. I could care less.

 

[RyanH]

J.C. Watts equals Dick Armey, equals Tom-Delay, equals all the other racist Republicans.

J.C. Watts is shameful in the eyes of the African-American community and rightfully so....he's turned his back on them year-after-year.

Rejoice that he's gone; one less racist now exists in the House of Representatives.

 

[huntmaster]

Gymnpoppa---Saying that Watts was not religeous until 9/11 is like saying Clinton was not an adulterer before Lewinski. admit when you are wrong.

The man is a class individual, that is why I started this thread.

RYAN---as usuall, you do not have a clue what you are talking about.--racist??? you cant be serious??? b/c he doesnt stand for Affirmative action???

Monkfish(??)--Jesse Jackson and JC Watts are two totally different people-but they are the same race though--is that why you compared them???? I guess that would make you a racial profiler. apples and orranges folks.


JC Watts is as good as it gets folks---this thread had nothing to do with him being republican---He is just a good man trying to do what is right and that obviously conflicts with a few agendas here.

 

[huntmaster]

Is Jesse Jackson a good man too?

He had a child out of wedlock, but is a devout Christian.

Or is he evil slime because "he a damn lib'ral"?

No Jesse Jackson is not a good man. He stands for all that is leading America in the wrong direction. I dont see him as a devout Christian. I see him as someone who is always starting trouble. If he is a devout christian than why does he stand for things that the Bible teaches against? Jesse Jackson's motivation for his actions is quite different than that of Watts.

 

[cockdezl]

your half-blind approach to life is reflected in your posts, and I mean exactly what I said. Before Sept 11th, and I'm adding bush to this, the religious note was not there. It was conveniently added afterwards. Only a blind sheep like yourself would even attempt to label it an insult. Seeing as how you don't spend anymore time than I do around this man, you are in no position to tell me what he does. You're onto this pessimistic thing, because I note the shortcomings of your idiotic party. You refuse to. Sorry, it will continue. whoever I choose to opine about, just as you do, your opinion is just as ignorant as I stated. You post your typical sheep slanted views. I see the blatant corruption, and willingness of your party or the other party to ignore the faults. If you don't like that, you know what to do. Don't post. I could care less.

LOL, this coming from someone who thinks the UN is a great organization.

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

 

[cockdezl]

J.C. Watts equals Dick Armey, equals Tom-Delay, equals all the other racist Republicans.

J.C. Watts is shameful in the eyes of the African-American community and rightfully so....he's turned his back on them year-after-year.

Rejoice that he's gone; one less racist now exists in the House of Representatives.

Please elaborate on your statements, I am in need of a good laugh.

 

[huntmaster]

abortion

homosexuality

anyway, it doesnt really matter b/c this thread is not about Jesse Jackson--its about JC Watts and the two should not even be compared b/c they are totally different.

 

[RyanH]

Please elaborate on your statements, I am in need of a good laugh.

If I prepare an exhaustive list of the legislation that Mr. Watts voted AGAINST that would have given fairness to many African-Americans, I would need at least two weeks.

But, for starters: Mr's Watts rejection of affirmative action, and his agreement with the Bush administration that the U.S. should not attend the U.N. Conference on Race Relations.

 

[huntmaster]

there is a difference between vocally saying something is wrong and stoning an individual. and I dont know where you got the killing children thing.--Watts is against abortion

 

[huntmaster]

affirmative action is not good for minorities. it just makes an excuse for them, and people get no where with excuses being made for them.

affirmative action is a cop out and there are more and more minorities, esp blacks going against it

 

[huntmaster]

Man you sure know how to twist things around well. Problem is, you make no point in doing so and discredit the rest of what you say.

 

[huntmaster]

No sir, I started this thread and sad I like Watts b/c he is a GOOD MAN--the rest is just gravy.

Jesse Jackson I dont like b/c he is a hell raiser.

 

[huntmaster]

yeah you really tore something down didnt you?

what you did is spout off a bunch of jiberish.

Now, I am Conservative, that is no secret here--Watts is conservative, yes---we see a good many things the same.

You asked me about Jesse Jackson---you said he is a devout Christian--you assumed something that is not necessarily true.

I answered your questions and then you took those answers and tried to turn them into my reason for admiring Watts and not liking Jesse Jackson(which I am not sure why we are still discussing).

c'mon man--I know what you are doing.

 

[p0ink]

J.C. Watts equals Dick Armey, equals Tom-Delay, equals all the other racist Republicans.

J.C. Watts is shameful in the eyes of the African-American community and rightfully so....he's turned his back on them year-after-year.

Rejoice that he's gone; one less racist now exists in the House of Representatives.

so he is a racist because he isnt another democrat trying to enslave his own people to the welfare system or trying to treat them as second rate citizens using affirmative action? democrats think blacks and other minorities are below white people and therfore need special treatment. so basically they are holding white people to a higher standard saying they are able to do things for themselves, but blacks and minorities are completely incapable of doing anything to better themselves, so we need to 'help' them. if i was a minority, i would be greatly offended that you would think me and my people are lower than you and need your handouts and goodwill to accomplish anything in life.

 

[huntmaster]

I like JC Watts b/c he is a man of integrity and a strong leader that sticks to his values.

I do not like Jesse Jackson b/c he sympathises with every minority group that he thinks will get him votes---him and his rainbow coalition.

In doing so -- he starts a good bit of trouble

 

[Longhorn85]

J.C. Watts equals Dick Armey, equals Tom-Delay, equals all the other racist Republicans.

J.C. Watts is shameful in the eyes of the African-American community and rightfully so....he's turned his back on them year-after-year.

As a member of the American community who happens to be an African American, I am quite proud of what JC Watts has done. As I have pointed out to you many times, it is racist of you to assume that all blacks think alike.

As long as you're after racists in Congress, why don't you go across the aisle and talk about the ONLY former Klu Klux Klansman in Congress? That would be DEMOCRATIC Senate leader Robert Byrd from West VA.

 

[Longhorn85]

Is Jesse Jackson a good man too?

He had a child out of wedlock, but is a devout Christian.

Or is he evil slime because "he a damn lib'ral"?

I think Jesse is basically a good man, but I disagree with a lot of what he stands for.

The child out of wedlock part is irrelevant to what I'm saying.

What I could say about him that is relevant to this post however is that he was a religious man long before 9/11 similar to JC Watts. That was my point.

 

[Longhorn85]

the religious note was not there. It was conveniently added afterwards.

Seeing as how you don't spend anymore time than I do around this man, you are in no position to tell me what he does.

This is not true, pretty much all of his public speaking appearances have revolved around his faith.
You are making assumptions and you are wrong -- again.


Not that it matters, but I would venture to say that I have spent more time around him than you have. He was my Congressman when I lived in OK, I have attended church services where he preached, attended military formals where he was the guest speaker and chatted with him about the days when he played QB for OK against my alma mater.

I talked to him about being an anomaly as a black conservative. But you're right, that does not put me in a position to tell you what he does, you need only do some research before you spout off untruths.

 

[Longhorn85]

if i was a minority, i would be greatly offended that you would think me and my people are lower than you and need your handouts and goodwill to accomplish anything in life.

Good comment, but it's more personal than that to me. Ryan's approach implies if he and I are in a race I would need a head start. That's just not true. Fair start and may the best man win.

 

[BigGuns2]

J.C. Watts is a good man. He will reappear very soon I think.

 

[gymnpoppa]

LOL, this coming from someone who thinks the UN is a great organization.

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

Blatant fkn lie. Post ANY post where I support, or said I supported the UN.

Ignorant liar.



While you're crowing about Watts,
please explain the rift between Watts and the Bush administration, about the Crusader project. His retirement is more about that, than anything else. Especially since this announcement caught Repubs off guard. they said as much yesterday. They had no candidate ready for his seat.

 

[Longhorn85]

While you're crowing about Watts,
please explain the rift between Watts and the Bush administration, about the Crusader project. His retirement is more about that, than anything else. Especially since this announcement caught Repubs off guard. they said as much yesterday. They had no candidate ready for his seat.

Too easy. Watts as an Oklahoman and pro-military obviously wanted the Crusader project which would have been in OK, as did the Army. He lost that battle. He has been in Congress for over 6 years, he is still young. I expect to see him run for Governor soon, and he will win.

Oklahoma is Republican country, there will be no problem at all replacing him with a GOP guy/gal.

 

[gymnpoppa]

This is not true, pretty much all of his public speaking appearances have revolved around his faith.
You are making assumptions and you are wrong -- again.


Not that it matters, but I would venture to say that I have spent more time around him than you have. He was my Congressman when I lived in OK, I have attended church services where he preached, attended military formals where he was the guest speaker and chatted with him about the days when he played QB for OK against my alma mater.

I talked to him about being an anomaly as a black conservative. But you're right, that does not put me in a position to tell you what he does, you need only do some research before you spout off untruths.

WAS......again, you aren't anymore around him, than anybody else is. WAS. You think because you attended his church, you know him? or because you chatted with him, you know him? You're one of many sheep who crossed his path. I presume you got at least an obligatory photo op also.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Imo, I think Watts has done a good job as a Repub congressman, I seriously do. I do however, resent the notion that repubs attempt, or have attempted to do with religion and attachments to politics. It isn't necessary.

 

[The_Ghost]

Oh, so you mean he wasn't religious when he was a preacher prior to entering politics? Don't be so quick to roll your eyes if you don't know the facts.

Dont forget that before being a preacher he was a quarterback in the CFL. A very good quarterback I might add.

 

[Longhorn85]

WAS......again, you aren't anymore around him, than anybody else is. WAS. You think because you attended his church, you know him? or because you chatted with him, you know him? You're one of many sheep who crossed his path. I presume you got at least an obligatory photo op also.

I am not trying to come across like I'm his buddy. I was just responding to your claim that I have spent no more time around him than you have. I think I proved that.

 

[Longhorn85]

Imo, I think Watts has done a good job as a Repub congressman, I seriously do. I do however, resent the notion that repubs attempt, or have attempted to do with religion and attachments to politics. It isn't necessary.

JC Watts is a Congressman who happens to be a Professional Religious man, you can't seperate the two anymore than you can take away the fact that Steve Largent was a wide receiver or Sonny Bono was an actor. You are simply anti-religion.

Congress is supposed to be made up of professionals and workers from all walks of life.

 

[Burning_Inside]

ninjas rule

 

[gymnpoppa]

I talked to him about being an anomaly as a black conservative. But you're right, that does not put me in a position to tell you what he does, you need only do some research before you spout off untruths.

Well, I did some research. What I want to know is why you failed to mention his support for affirmative action. Something you oppose. As do other conservatives. In his new book Color of a Conservative.....completed BEFORE he quit "retired", (I know you'll discount his comments).......
He is very to the especially critical on a number of things.....such as his comments about "the repub party is blind to the historic sufferings of African-Americans, which causes it to be absent on issues of civil rights, equal opportunity, and poverty." He also says ( I will be reading this whole book), he was NEVER included on any real decisions, he wasn't even in the room, even though he was the 4th ranking Republican, he was not in the inner circle (orchestrated by Tom Delay) of leadership.


He says that repubs were never about compromise on issues like affirmative action....to quote" Making opposition to affirmative action a test of ideological loyalty is as wrong as making support a prerequisite of political authenticity in the black community."

"We can't promote diversity by demanding a robot-like allegiance to conservative views even when they are divisive."

He also says some conservatives never forgave him for his support of affirmative action. He used the NFL draft for his analogy of it: to level the playing field. To him, it made common sense.

He is also pointedly critical about the GOP's crusade to turn the Lewinsky story into the impeachment of Clinton. He said the GOP ran a multi-million dollar campaign on the Lewinsky story, which he calls a huge strategic error. quote, " We tried too hard to invoke the public's disgust over the travails and peccadilloes of Clinton. We made a strategic mistake by making Clinton the focus of the election. We lost seats.

The Crusader project was the last straw. He says he had it out with Bush, Rumsfeld, and his minions. "They handled it in a indecent and unprofessional way. He said Washington was too bureaucratic, and cumbersome.


Now, I'm sure you already know all of this......I'm just curious why you failed to mention it, when you were posting about him.

 

[Longhorn85]

Now, I'm sure you already know all of this......I'm just curious why you failed to mention it, when you were posting about him.

You shouldn't roll your eyes so much, it could lead to a permanent condition. No, I don't pretend to know all of this information, I haven't read his book, but I intend to. Not seeing eye to eye with him on every issue does not mean I don't like him.

Not necessary to mention all of that stuff because the point of this thread was that his retirement will mean the loss of a good, conservative Congressman. I agree with that.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Mr. Ryan H, I suggest you read the I have a dream speech by MLK. He agree's that a person should be judged on their abilities and not the color of their skin, unlike AA which does exactly that. AA action is nothing but an excuse to get something you dont rightfully deserve.

"I have a dream my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!"-MLK

If I prepare an exhaustive list of the legislation that Mr. Watts voted AGAINST that would have given fairness to many African-Americans, I would need at least two weeks.

But, for starters: Mr's Watts rejection of affirmative action, and his agreement with the Bush administration that the U.S. should not attend the U.N. Conference on Race Relations.

 

[Longhorn85]

"I have a dream my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today!"-MLK

That is a great quote, I use it all the time. It is typically met by righteous indignation at the fact that a conservative would dare try quoting MLK to make a point.

Liberals definitely judge by skin color. If you are black, you need govt assistance to make it, and you vote democratic.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

That is a great quote, I use it all the time. It is typically met by righteous indignation at the fact that a conservative would dare try quoting MLK to make a point.

Liberals definitely judge by skin color. If you are black, you need govt assistance to make it, and you vote democratic.

Exactly...the liberals want the black population to believe that they cannot succeed without them, when in fact they are nothing but a hinderance. It is the liberals that want racial inequality more than anything because without it they have nothing to try to offer the people worth anything....

 

[huntmaster]

good post Victusdeus---Liberals most often seek to play on emotions-FOR VOTES--instead of really wanting to help an individual.

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day

Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

 

[huntmaster]

very good

 

[gymnpoppa]

You shouldn't roll your eyes so much, it could lead to a permanent condition. No, I don't pretend to know all of this information, I haven't read his book, but I intend to. Not seeing eye to eye with him on every issue does not mean I don't like him.

Not necessary to mention all of that stuff because the point of this thread was that his retirement will mean the loss of a good, conservative Congressman. I agree with that.

It was necessary for you to mention you spoke with him, attended his church. My point is, you omit so much of the REAL part of a situation, by glossing over a few points. When it favors you, you will comment on a point. when it doesn't favor your cause, you won't even mention it.

You have made it very clear that you do not favor affirmative action. He supports affirmative action. Again, you failed to mention this, but you were interested enough to comment on some things, but not this? Did you know this? I could care less whether you like him. He was frustrated as a conservative..despite his lofty ranking. You failed to mention any of that. Instead downplaying it.

You should take a note from p0ink, he offers complete valid, debatable points. try it.

BTW, my eyes do roll permanently......

 

[huntmaster]

everything that I have heard from Watts says that he does not think that Affirmative action is a good thing----He just wants the GOP to reach out to Black america before they really move hard to abolish it.

I guess that I thought that he leaned more toward the idea that if they could get something going that was better, or get behind a law already in effect(like his pro growth agenda)---it would be a lot more appealing and effective than affirmative action.

but I still do not believe that he thinks that Afirmative action is a positive viable solution to the problem.


pro growth agenda---
http://www.house.gov/watts/pr121500acraHRC.htm

 

[Longhorn85]

It was necessary for you to mention you spoke with him, attended his church.

I could care less whether you like him. He was frustrated as a conservative..despite his lofty ranking. You failed to mention any of that.

You should take a note from p0ink, he offers complete valid, debatable points. try it.

Speaking of selective memory, I mentioned that I spoke with him in direct response to your mistaken assumption that I was no more familiar with him than you, not because I felt it was necessarily significant. I never said I attended his church, he was a guest at mine. He was my representative.

I know you could care less about whether I like him, just as I could care less about how you regard my debating style. Yours falls way short, note your mistruths and mistaken assumptions that I have pointed out in this very thread. Why would I take tips from you?

Again, getting back to the point of the thread. JC Watts will be missed in the House.

 

[gymnpoppa]

everything that I have heard from Watts says that he does not think that Affirmative action is a good thing----He just wants the GOP to reach out to Black america before they really move hard to abolish it.

I guess that I thought that he leaned more toward the idea that if they could get something going that was better, or get behind a law already in effect(like his pro growth agenda)---it would be a lot more appealing and effective than affirmative action.

but I still do not believe that he thinks that Afirmative action is a positive viable solution to the problem.


pro growth agenda---
http://www.house.gov/watts/pr121500acraHRC.htm

It's in his book, huntmaster. I guess he's lying just to sell the book huh?


ttlpkg, likewise. Let me apologize, I don't know what you know about anybody. However, I do know that you ALWAYS fail to mention obvious shortcomings/issues of your repub party.

What is sad about Watts retiring ABRUPTLY are the REAL reasons. Not the press conference reasons. This was not something that your beloved GOP expected. Give me a break.
His press conference reasons: I'm tired. I want to spend more time with my family. I'll give him the last one....but only if he takes a job in Oklahoma. If he goes to work for some firm in Washington........
One day later, he talked about making more money, lucrative job offers in the private sector.

For someone like yourself who likes to post threads crowing about your conserv politician's accomplishments, I noted your silence on this obvious issue you disagree with.

 

[huntmaster]

It's in his book, huntmaster. I guess he's lying just to sell the book huh?

What does it say, exactly--in the subject

 

[oubeta]

He is a great man. I've had dinner with him before.
Good morals

 

[huntmaster]

OU Beta---is that from a frat @ OU??

 

[Longhorn85]

What is sad about Watts retiring ABRUPTLY are the REAL reasons. Not the press conference reasons. This was not something that your beloved GOP expected. Give me a break.
His press conference reasons: I'm tired. I want to spend more time with my family. I'll give him the last one....but only if he takes a job in Oklahoma. If he goes to work for some firm in Washington........
One day later, he talked about making more money, lucrative job offers in the private sector.

All of us who watch politics know that politicians seldom quit for the reasons that they state. I, like you, wonder if he aspires to run for office in OK, Governor or Senate. He is clearly young and upwardly mobile politically, but had hit a dead-end of sorts in Congress. I think it would be natural for him to go for one of the above mentioned offices, but frankly, I would like to see him go into the private sector, make some righteous bucks, then maybe come back and run for Pres or VP in 2008.

 

[gymnpoppa]

All of us who watch politics know that politicians seldom quit for the reasons that they state. I, like you, wonder if he aspires to run for office in OK, Governor or Senate. He is clearly young and upwardly mobile politically, but had hit a dead-end of sorts in Congress. I think it would be natural for him to go for one of the above mentioned offices, but frankly, I would like to see him go into the private sector, make some righteous bucks, then maybe come back and run for Pres or VP in 2008.

Yup, I agree....though a presidential bid....isn't there...maybe.

 

[huntmaster]

Hey ttlpkg--what do you think about a Alan Keyes/JC Watts ticket?

I think I like it.

Keyes is the real deal

 

[Longhorn85]

Hey ttlpkg--what do you think about a Alan Keyes/JC Watts ticket?

I think I like it.

Keyes is the real deal

I like Keyes, but I don't think he is attractive as a politician to most voters. Comes across as inflammatory to some. At any rate, I don't think Watts/Keyes belong on the same ticket. I would love to see Keye's drive and conservative mind used in a GOP administration however.

Let's face it, marketing is important. Bush/Watts would make a good package. In the future, I could see a Jeb Bush/Watts or Watts/Jeb doing real well.

 

[huntmaster]

Oooohh, that does sound good! : )