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I've got some SERIOUS issues with Spectro!

2mg of BA in their Propionate... my ass!!! That shit hurts like nothing else I've ever used. Even Anatest Prop didn't do this to me... Anatest claims 50mg of BA/mL!

I just got a hold of one of their later batches of Winstrol-V. Compared to the other Spectro Winstrol I've used(which would have been from early 2002)... the suspension in this newer bottle doesn't seem to separate. The Spectro-V from early 2002 separates so FAST! I had to shake the syringe for fuck sakes... the shit would separate right before my eyes.

You guys have any input here???
 
I'm currently using the old winstrol and I can honestly say that I have never done any other gear in which there is such a High BA count. The winny does infact seperate in the bottle very easily and looks "gritty."

After every injection there is INTENSE swelling and irritation consistent with that of BA. I don't know why underground gear has so much BA. They claim there gear is completley sterile, yet load it up to the nuts with BA. I have done numerous types of underground, vet and human grade gear and its always the underground labs that go overboard with the BA.

It should also be noted that there gear is definaltey as potent as they claim. I have had solid gains from there enanthate and cypionate. Its too bad they wont reduce there BA count.
 
Scotty, make sure that the Spectro you have is indeed the old spectro. There are new spectro floating around that are complete junk. They are scammers so stay away from this. This was a sticky for a long while. I hope that you are using their older stuff.

Good Luck man.
Mavy
 
Man a lot of people give IP heat for making products that vary in quality but all the UG's are about the same some are worse....without any regulation in what they do and no real market studies behind the volume needed some UG kitchen cookers will run behind from time to time and the quality will vary...
 
jasonstrong said:
all the UG's are about the same some are worse


Uhhh, no. I know a few underground labs that produce human grade goodies that a pharmacy would. Top notch stuff.

Please don't put all the UG labs in one boat, there are many good ones out there.
 
The original Spectro was some of the best stuff I had ever used. Like psychedout said don't group all UG labs in one - even Spectro.

Spectro hasn't been produced for a LONG TIME now. There were scammers selling bunk stuff so you need to ensure you have the right stuff.
 
mvmaxx said:
The original Spectro was some of the best stuff I had ever used. Like psychedout said don't group all UG labs in one - even Spectro.

Spectro hasn't been produced for a LONG TIME now. There were scammers selling bunk stuff so you need to ensure you have the right stuff.

My baaad now that I think of it...I was thinking he was talking of Supra...you are correct spectro is gone and replaced by S-H-I-T!
 
psychedout said:



Uhhh, no. I know a few underground labs that produce human grade goodies that a pharmacy would. Top notch stuff.

Please don't put all the UG labs in one boat, there are many good ones out there.
No Flame here but this is getting old....

If you would please post the manufacturing techniques of this UG lab that allows them to be qualified "Human Grade"?
Unless it's produced in a pharm facility that is regulated by the FDA-it ain't human grade. Vet is vet, US Vet and Mexican Vet are different, UG is UG, and Human is human, Black market is black market...just becuase you by organon sust or yellow tops don't mean they are human grade...tons of counterfeits out there and black market = risky no matta what/where you get it from.

Hell there are even counterfeit drugs sold to the CDC supply houses that sell to US pharms inside the US..!!!

Remember the counterfeit sero's that people got from the pharm?
and the Epogen too...really chnaces are reduced but with todays technology and regulations anything and everything is possible...

Clean sterile yes but there is a difference...don't make me post my thread on pharm vs UG vs Vet grade for those who missed it...unless you been there you'll never understand the difference.
BA is primarily used to make up for the lack of quality in manufacturing standards and non USP Grade Materials...
 
The only prop I will use is Black Label... 100 mg test propionate + 100 mg test phenylpropionate per cc... and absolutely painless.

BL rocks on prop!
 
Jasonstrong you need to think before you post. If you compare original spectro or quest to IP you don't know nearly as much as you think. Nobody needs to see your post, they may just have different opinions. Some people are in the know about certain UG labs and you are not one of them so don't run your mouth.

BTW, the "new" spectro only copied the name and not the appearance of the original stuff. There is still alot of good spectro floating around on the canadian scene.
 
jubei said:
Jasonstrong you need to think before you post. If you compare original spectro or quest to IP you don't know nearly as much as you think. Nobody needs to see your post, they may just have different opinions. Some people are in the know about certain UG labs and you are not one of them so don't run your mouth.

BTW, the "new" spectro only copied the name and not the appearance of the original stuff. There is still alot of good spectro floating around on the canadian scene.


Look here as I'll save some bandwidth on this post as keeping the pharm stuff to a minimum...
When you have 15 years experience in the industry as in Pharmamceutical with an advanced degree, you can debate me and win or provide proof of this pharmaceutical underground production facilities standards.

Filling a vial by hand or with a peristaltic pump in a laminar flow hood/or portable clean room with gloves and a mask on-doesn't equal human grade.
I'll run my mouth about anything I please-as it is a free country and differing opinions are welcome.

Thank you.

It's not like I am going to hurt anyone's business.

I mistook the Spectro for Supra I will admit that...very easy to get a ton of customers off of someone elses's rep or for that matter Also easy to produce shitty products based on past reps aka GAC, RedStar, QV, ttokyo, Etc.
It's underground it's blackmarket it's illegal it's high crime-don't compare black market criminals to the pharm company crooks it ain't the same.

Being in the know about a lot helps as your cheerished lab or any other lab can't get USP powders from anywhere..don't think just cause it says USP from China that it is...again it is a world of difference between human grade and UG.

If you know so much post about their production techniques, no secret formulas here shoot post their process operating batch prep formulation instruction sheets *HERE*...UG is BM which is/may be above Mex Vet Quality but that's about it.

Never mentioned Quest? either, and watch who you tell to shut their mouth-they might follow up on that.

Now get all the faithful followers to come on here and play praise and pray to their UG GODs...I am used to it-*whenever I try and point out the fallacies with the differences between UG Vet and Pharm Gear people come out in droves to their gear GOD's defense like IP on 'bolex.

And does it really matter? Nope. Is Supra Test just as good dose wise as Upjohn? Sure...and it's sterile besides the higher levels of BA, endotoxins , glass dust silicone and detergent residues, dead inert bacteria, and dust particles which you will basically feel in a mild allergic reaction...very mild too little to notice since it's clean.

People are just using Pharm Grade as a marketing technique when they don't have too, as long as the gear is clean, and potent it should sell itself due to demand.

BTW the primary AAS oil line that goes into my body is by an Underground Lab-MexiPharm and I sterile filter it down to a .2 um into a sterile vial before use. You use what you can get....which I would take MP over any vet steroid out there...hands down....

And I have noticed differences in batches as a little higher BA/BB content but still potent and effective.
Peace out...:)
 
jasonstrong said:

No Flame here but this is getting old....

If you would please post the manufacturing techniques of this UG lab that allows them to be qualified "Human Grade"?
Unless it's produced in a pharm facility that is regulated by the FDA-it ain't human grade. Vet is vet, US Vet and Mexican Vet are different, UG is UG, and Human is human, Black market is black market...just becuase you by organon sust or yellow tops don't mean they are human grade...tons of counterfeits out there and black market = risky no matta what/where you get it from.

Hell there are even counterfeit drugs sold to the CDC supply houses that sell to US pharms inside the US..!!!

Remember the counterfeit sero's that people got from the pharm?
and the Epogen too...really chnaces are reduced but with todays technology and regulations anything and everything is possible...

Clean sterile yes but there is a difference...don't make me post my thread on pharm vs UG vs Vet grade for those who missed it...unless you been there you'll never understand the difference.
BA is primarily used to make up for the lack of quality in manufacturing standards and non USP Grade Materials...


THANK YOU.....UG is just that..."underground"....worms and dirty things live underground...
 
Fuck it, I'm not even going to bother with you.
 
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jubei said:
Fuck it, I'm not even going to bother with you.

Good as I don't know why I even responded it's a moot point and I got out of grade school 20 years ago and such childish flames are not my nature.
bottom line is
I have my opinion.
YOU have your opinion.
It's a free country and let's leave it at that.
 
The only real issue I had with your earlier comments were grouping all UG labs in the same boat.
 
Well then I misunderstood and accept my apologies for my rude comments as from the posts I have read you seem to very a knowledgeable person and my intention was not to attack you personally...I agree there are differences in UG labs and some are far above the others and my intention was not to lump them together nor was my intention not to insult or make enemies.
So please accept my apologies and ...
PEACE.:D
 
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