Is there a direct link between AAS and kidney disease?

[twofiftysixsix]

Arnold is on dialysis from what everyone is saying. I heard he loved primobolan and d-bol. Do u think AAS in general could cause such a disease or certain types. I almost never see much side effects in steroid profiles that say may cause kidney failure. I do c that a lot of test based ones cause hypertension and water retention wich I know r linked to kidney issues. Is that to say that all AAS that are test based that cause bloating and hypertention going to cause u kidney failure down the road?

 

[twofiftysixsix]

bump plz and ty

 

[guest username]

I have never seen a study that demonstrated a cause-effect relationship. Then again, I am no expert on steroids.

Here is what I know:

Anabolic steroids significantly raise LDL, but more importantly significantly lower HDL (the good cholesterol). Low levels of HDL have been independent predictors of progressive renal failure.

Many bodybuilders and powerlifters can develop extreme blood pressures during lifts. One cardiothoracic surgeon I know placed arterial lines in powerlifters and had them perform squats. Their systolic blood pressures were so high that they had to get machines capable of reading higher pressures because the ones they were originally using couldn't be calibrated that high. Turns out that during a lift, the systolic blood pressure peaked on average at 350-400 mmHg with some people going as high as 700 mmHg during heavy lifts. The blood pressure remained elevated above 200-250 mmHg for several minutes following a set. It took almost 15 minutes for measurements to return to normal.

It is likely that lifting extremely heavy weights causes extreme hypertension, which can damage renal tubular cells from excessive shear force and pressure. This may in fact be the primary cause of renal failure in bodybuilders/powerlifters, coupled with low HDL, high protein diets, and a few other risk factors (such as aggressive use of diuretics).

 

[twofiftysixsix]

ahhhhhh, totally makes sense now, ur da man swatdoc thanx for clearing that up for me.

 

[lanky]

if in fact the steroid you are taking is causing/contributing to HTN then they are at risk for kidney problems..so possible indirectly,,again like swatdoc said with HDL/LDL ratios, and,increased workload on the heart from all the extra mass a bodybuilder carries around....so many other risk factors involved,,smoking,diet, alcohol use, genetics, family history etcc...

 

[guest username]

By the way, I haven't heard that Arnold is on dialysis. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Passthedutchy]

I have never seen a study that demonstrated a cause-effect relationship. Then again, I am no expert on steroids.

Here is what I know:

Anabolic steroids significantly raise LDL, but more importantly significantly lower HDL (the good cholesterol). Low levels of HDL have been independent predictors of progressive renal failure.

Many bodybuilders and powerlifters can develop extreme blood pressures during lifts. One cardiothoracic surgeon I know placed arterial lines in powerlifters and had them perform squats. Their systolic blood pressures were so high that they had to get machines capable of reading higher pressures because the ones they were originally using couldn't be calibrated that high. Turns out that during a lift, the systolic blood pressure peaked on average at 350-400 mmHg with some people going as high as 700 mmHg during heavy lifts. The blood pressure remained elevated above 200-250 mmHg for several minutes following a set. It took almost 15 minutes for measurements to return to normal.

It is likely that lifting extremely heavy weights causes extreme hypertension, which can damage renal tubular cells from excessive shear force and pressure. This may in fact be the primary cause of renal failure in bodybuilders/powerlifters, coupled with low HDL, high protein diets, and a few other risk factors (such as aggressive use of diuretics).

I have seen powerlifters [and several uncontrolled hypertensives] with lacunar infarcts as patients

 

[150shot]

Havent heard he is on it either, but if anything leads to Kidney failure stop it now...dialysis is not a fun thing, and any organ disease will put you down bigtime.