Is the NRA really THAT powerful?

[heavy_duty]

Canada has some of the most strict gun control laws in the world.
I'm watching a show right now on CBC on guns and NRA.

They're saying NRA is like the 2nd or 3rd most powerful association in the US.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Not even close and I am an active member.

CBS is full of shit. The old home of Dan Rather. Don't believe anything they say. They are just trying to get people to fear the NRA and we are just a bunch of old men that like owning guns.

 

[heavy_duty]

LOL

CBC Bro

http://www.cbc.ca/

 

[needtogetarmy]

LOL

CBC Bro

http://www.cbc.ca/

ROFL - I have to laugh at myself!

CBC - CBS - same bullshit, different letters!

 

[manny78]

LOL

CBC Bro

http://www.cbc.ca/

Lol CBC/SRC well what else were you expecting from a bunch of socialists paid with our taxes ?

 

[heavy_duty]

NRA good
CBC bad

 

[BNG]

The NRA is actually fairly strong in that they actually employ lobbyists. Their interests are represented. Let's face it, if you don't have representation in their face you won't see anything you like. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Just look at the gays, they are the smallest minority, but are one of the topics in every political discussion.

 

[javaguru]

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/12/08/234927/index.htm

"The Power 25 is a highly eclectic--almost curious--collection. From the 33-million-member American Association of Retired Persons, which polled No. 1 (to no one's surprise), to the ever controversial International Brotherhood of Teamsters (No. 25), and from the calculatedly quiet American Israel Public Affairs Committee (a remarkable No. 2) to the newly emergent National Restaurant Association (No. 24), the Washington 25 is as diverse as the nation itself. But it is more than that. It is a crystalline reminder that Alexis de Tocqueville was right more than 150 years ago when he observed that Americans were inveterate joiners who liked to cluster themselves into quasi-political volunteer groups. "

 

[AAP]

It depends on where they pulled those numbers. Be interesting to see what the people polled said their 1st and 2nd most powerful associations are. NASCAR and Skoal?

The NRA doesn't have the pull that it used to. Back when I was reading the magazine from ages 11-16 the only real page of interest in them was the Citizens on Patrol or whatever the hell it was called. It was 2-3 pages each month of people who had used firearms and gunfire effectively in a positive light. Of course it was cherrypicked. It sounded like hunting stories being reported.

08/11/89 Thelma Volnadder was awaken from sleep at 11:43PM. Upon investigating, she discovered a black burgular in her downstairs livingroom. Thelma fired 3 shots from her pearl grip nickel plated .38 given to her by her deceased deputy husband (who shot a total of 48 bad guys while on the force) thus disabling the intruder while defending her home.

(they conveniently forget to mention the 4th shot that occured when Thelma pinned the guy down with a foot to the throat and peeled his cap back on her Oriental rug.)

Or something like :

05/28/83 Winston Smith started his weekend out in a rather typical fashion. A quiet relaxing fishing trip. The blissful serenity easily lulled him into a calm state of relaxed distraction and he failed to see the 3 foot rattlesnake that had crept near. Pulling his .357 magnum hollow point loaded, Winston quickly ran across the 715 yard gap that seperated them and pumped 2 rounds into satan's pet. Winston then said to hell with this waiting and in rather typical fashion shot himself some fish too. Winston spent the rest of the day drinking beer in rather typical fashion and shooting surfacing turtles. Upon departing, Winston loaded the snake carcass into the back of his pickup truck (Ford, red) and later flung it into the parking lot of the local KFC. Effectively scaring the shit out several black kids hanging out there. In rather typical fashion.

 

[split endz]

It depends on where they pulled those numbers. Be interesting to see what the people polled said their 1st and 2nd most powerful associations are. NASCAR and Skoal?

The NRA doesn't have the pull that it used to. Back when I was reading the magazine from ages 11-16 the only real page of interest in them was the Citizens on Patrol or whatever the hell it was called. It was 2-3 pages each month of people who had used firearms and gunfire effectively in a positive light. Of course it was cherrypicked. It sounded like hunting stories being reported.

08/11/89 Thelma Volnadder was awaken from sleep at 11:43PM. Upon investigating, she discovered a black burgular in her downstairs livingroom. Thelma fired 3 shots from her pearl grip nickel plated .38 given to her by her deceased deputy husband (who shot a total of 48 bad guys while on the force) thus disabling the intruder while defending her home.

(they conveniently forget to mention the 4th shot that occured when Thelma pinned the guy down with a foot to the throat and peeled his cap back on her Oriental rug.)

Or something like :

05/28/83 Winston Smith started his weekend out in a rather typical fashion. A quiet relaxing fishing trip. The blissful serenity easily lulled him into a calm state of relaxed distraction and he failed to see the 3 foot rattlesnake that had crept near. Pulling his .357 magnum hollow point loaded, Winston quickly ran across the 715 yard gap that seperated them and pumped 2 rounds into satan's pet. Winston then said to hell with this waiting and in rather typical fashion shot himself some fish too. Winston spent the rest of the day drinking beer in rather typical fashion and shooting surfacing turtles. Upon departing, Winston loaded the snake carcass into the back of his pickup truck (Ford, red) and later flung it into the parking lot of the local KFC. Effectively scaring the shit out several black kids hanging out there. In rather typical fashion.

Lol... pretty good bro. I have read those too

 

[BNG]

Thanks for nothing AAP.
Whatever. The way you wrote your "examples", although creative, don't reflect what its saying.
Your writings are clearly racist and low class minded. I don't find any of their materials racist at all. They won't every write anything even close to promoting poor behavior, simply counter productive. Whether you agree with them or not.

 

[AAP]

Thanks for nothing AAP.
Whatever. The way you wrote your "examples", although creative, don't reflect what its saying.
Your writings are clearly racist and low class minded. I don't find any of their materials racist at all. They won't every write anything even close to promoting poor behavior, simply counter productive. Whether you agree with them or not.

Bullshit.

Their entire magazine is biased. You never hear about other crimes and accidents in their columns, just their few handpicked instances out of a thousand.

The fact that you got so bent out of shape over sarcasm shows just how desperately you want to use their stance for your own identity. Whether you agree with that statement or not.

 

[p0ink]

The NRA is an influential organization, however, their 'power' has be waning over the years. If this were not the case, the NRA would not have made so many concessions and back-door deals to the anti-gun crowd.

They will give up a mile in one direction to gain an inch in another.

GOA (Gun Owners of America) is a far better organization.

But, in the end, Lobbyists (every last one of them) need to get the fuck out of Washington.

I am really becoming far too jaded for my own good lately.

 

[Hengst]

Democracy is 2 wolfs and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is 2 wolfs and a sheep, armed with a rifle, deciding the same question.
(I think this was a Ben Franklin quote)

As I get older I realize how important the 2nd Amendment is and now support the NRA.

 

[redguru]

Life member but also jaded about Washington Lobbyists. Elderly have a new tax exemption here in FL due to the AARP's power. We need to ban all lobbyists, period. Prevent Senators from accepting gifts even as trivial as a dinner or junkets of any type.

 

[needtogetarmy]

It depends on where they pulled those numbers. Be interesting to see what the people polled said their 1st and 2nd most powerful associations are. NASCAR and Skoal?

The NRA doesn't have the pull that it used to. Back when I was reading the magazine from ages 11-16 the only real page of interest in them was the Citizens on Patrol or whatever the hell it was called. It was 2-3 pages each month of people who had used firearms and gunfire effectively in a positive light. Of course it was cherrypicked. It sounded like hunting stories being reported.

08/11/89 Thelma Volnadder was awaken from sleep at 11:43PM. Upon investigating, she discovered a black burgular in her downstairs livingroom. Thelma fired 3 shots from her pearl grip nickel plated .38 given to her by her deceased deputy husband (who shot a total of 48 bad guys while on the force) thus disabling the intruder while defending her home.

(they conveniently forget to mention the 4th shot that occured when Thelma pinned the guy down with a foot to the throat and peeled his cap back on her Oriental rug.)

Or something like :

05/28/83 Winston Smith started his weekend out in a rather typical fashion. A quiet relaxing fishing trip. The blissful serenity easily lulled him into a calm state of relaxed distraction and he failed to see the 3 foot rattlesnake that had crept near. Pulling his .357 magnum hollow point loaded, Winston quickly ran across the 715 yard gap that seperated them and pumped 2 rounds into satan's pet. Winston then said to hell with this waiting and in rather typical fashion shot himself some fish too. Winston spent the rest of the day drinking beer in rather typical fashion and shooting surfacing turtles. Upon departing, Winston loaded the snake carcass into the back of his pickup truck (Ford, red) and later flung it into the parking lot of the local KFC. Effectively scaring the shit out several black kids hanging out there. In rather typical fashion.

It is a fact that more crimes are prevented with hand guns in America than crimes committed with hand guns, like a few million more.

 

[mrplunkey]

The NRA is not all that powerful but they have an INCREDIBLY powerful ally to fall back on -- the second amendment.

Sucks when the constitution gets in the way of a good progressive idea like banning all handguns, eh? Maybe we just need the right set of judges to re-interpret the second amendment in a more progressive, enlightened, intellectual way.

Sad thing is, we're in blatant violation of the second amendment anyway. It was never about hunting or defending yourself against burglary. It was about checks and balances between the citizenry and a would-be tyrannical government. Our forefathers had the vision to build-in a mechanism for revolution if the government got out of hand and that has now been perverted since the weapons the citizenry can access is nothing compared to their military counterparts.

 

[AAP]

It is a fact that more crimes are prevented with hand guns in America than crimes committed with hand guns, like a few million more.

Exactly what the basis of their materials is about. Most people think it is just one gun ad after another, but it isn't. It is more focused on the community (who already own guns) than the corporation (of selling guns)

Some people on here just don't have their sarcasm meter turned on.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Bullshit.

Their entire magazine is biased. You never hear about other crimes and accidents in their columns, just their few handpicked instances out of a thousand.

The fact that you got so bent out of shape over sarcasm shows just how desperately you want to use their stance for your own identity. Whether you agree with that statement or not.

I agree with AAP on this one.

I am a member of the NRA and a ton of other organizations and they all have agendas and of course they are going to print articles that support their agenda. That is a no-brainer.

 

[BNG]

Bullshit.

Their entire magazine is biased. You never hear about other crimes and accidents in their columns, just their few handpicked instances out of a thousand.

The fact that you got so bent out of shape over sarcasm shows just how desperately you want to use their stance for your own identity. Whether you agree with that statement or not.

Bullshit, What I'm sayin is that they are just like every other self serving self supporting group. Damn straight they hand pick the stories! Why would you put something negative in your propaganda rag?
This started a political question basically. I'm an independent and not into the whole party thing but your comments however sarcastic were just so far off I guess it didn't make any sense to me. PETA makes biased statements, as do everyone else. Race has nothing to do with any of this.
I do support gun ownership, use, concealed carry rights, and won't support any more gun laws. It's a waste of time and money. Everything idiots do are already against the law. News flash, they don't care. Only the people already obeying the law are effected.
Political power wise, the Baby Boomers are in complete control. They are the largest age group, however they are spread out on policies. What amazes me is the amount of political influence the "minorities" (by race) have. We are as a country not supposed to be racist but clearly acknowledge race in politics often.

I am a gun owner, user, etc. I hate being grouped in with the stereotyped redneck, shoot everything moving types. The vast majority of people who own guns a great people. So yeah, when you started painting the cynical, racist, slob, redneck, picture it does kind of rub me wrong.

 

[AAP]

Bullshit, What I'm sayin is that they are just like every other self serving self supporting group. Damn straight they hand pick the stories! Why would you put something negative in your propaganda rag?
This started a political question basically. I'm an independent and not into the whole party thing but your comments however sarcastic were just so far off I guess it didn't make any sense to me. PETA makes biased statements, as do everyone else. Race has nothing to do with any of this.
I do support gun ownership, use, concealed carry rights, and won't support any more gun laws. It's a waste of time and money. Everything idiots do are already against the law. News flash, they don't care. Only the people already obeying the law are effected.
Political power wise, the Baby Boomers are in complete control. They are the largest age group, however they are spread out on policies. What amazes me is the amount of political influence the "minorities" (by race) have. We are as a country not supposed to be racist but clearly acknowledge race in politics often.

I am a gun owner, user, etc. I hate being grouped in with the stereotyped redneck, shoot everything moving types. The vast majority of people who own guns a great people. So yeah, when you started painting the cynical, racist, slob, redneck, picture it does kind of rub me wrong.

Bullshit. That's a lot of blah blah blah bullshit of needless bullshit typing over some fucking bullshit that you failed to grasp when I posted the bullshit sarcasm of the previous bullshit that I was bullshitting about.

Bullshit I say.

The Old Vet knows about this bullshit. Ask him.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Bullshit. That's a lot of blah blah blah bullshit of needless bullshit typing over some fucking bullshit that you failed to grasp when I posted the bullshit sarcasm of the previous bullshit that I was bullshitting about.

Bullshit I say.

The Old Vet knows about this bullshit. Ask him.

I am a member of the NRA.

Overall, I agree with their platform. I have done some research into gun control and based upon my observations banning firearms doesn't work. It is better to have a well-armed populace than to disarm them. This does not mean I do not think there should be some controls on the possession of fire arms (that is another thread for another day).

Nevertheless, just like any other group (whether it be political, religious, or social) they have a set agenda and they will never publish material in their magazine that goes against their belief system.

The same goes for any organization, say National Geographic. I love National Geographic, but I guarantee you 100% that they will never print an article against global warming. In fact, we could be in a goddamn ice age and they will still rant about global warming. THAT IS HOW THE ORGANIZATIONS OPERATE.

The moral of the story is that we all need to be objective when we read material, no matter who the source is.

I am a member of the NRA but I like that there are background checks *which they didn't initially support). I also like the environment and subscribe to National Geographic (I've been reading it since I was a kid) but I do not think there is sufficient evidence proving global warming is caused by carbon dioxide emissions.

I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater though and disavow both organizations. I'll keep myself informed so I can make the right decisions in life based upon the facts that I have observed.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Life member but also jaded about Washington Lobbyists. Elderly have a new tax exemption here in FL due to the AARP's power. We need to ban all lobbyists, period. Prevent Senators from accepting gifts even as trivial as a dinner or junkets of any type.

I used to believe that until I saw how the system works.

It is amazing how much information politicians get bombarded with. Lobbyists do serve a purpose of disseminating information, information that otherwise would go without notice.

There should be controls on donations. I am not sure if eliminating them all together would help. The best thing is to be aware of who is doing what and hold them accountable when they screw up.