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Is a Mac really better than a PC?

PsychoSkitz

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Is it better for film and audio editing purposes only (or does it just appear that way)?

What about for website design?

The last time I used a Mac I was 10.
 
if you judge things by how much they cost, or how cute they are - then hell yes.

otherwise, get a pc - unless you are so retarded that doors confuse you in daily lilfe
 
I have a few friends who are web designers and also graphic designers, they prefer Mac. Something about all printers using Mac format is the comment I get from graphic designers. Web designers, I don't know what their main reason is really. I do know that you can Mac's with much more speed and power, for less money than PC's, and with better reliability. The only con is lack of "interfaceability" (is that a word?) with software and with other PC's, which makes you in a minority.

Hope this helps somewhat!

Mike
 
Many creative agencies, ad agencies and design firms work in the Mac environment for print, CD-ROM and Web applications. If you are looking into any of these types of workplaces, it could very well be worth it to know the Mac.

Both can do the same thing. In reality they are very close to one another these days. I still think Mac is a better OS, but Windows machines are undisputably more prevalent in most businesses. If you are going into 90 percent of the jobs out there, a Windows-base machine is more to your advantage. If you are going into some of the specialized fields I mentioned above, Macs could be to your benefit. Learn both. If you can work one, with practice, you can work them both.
 
My experience with AV work on the Mac was much better than on the PC. I've just started playing around with my digital camcorder on my PC, and have done regular vidcap on both, and just had overall better luck on the Mac than on the PC.

Website design? I dunno.
 
Yes SDMike, it did help.

A lot of things I read make it seem like Mac is better for those purposes which leads me to believe that a PC is just a well advertised NSync whereas Mac is the non-commercial rock act that has much more ability without the fanbase.


Thanks.
 
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lol - oh well - I'm walking away.

mac fans are hardcore into it - but I've used them all and macs suck a HUGE fat cock.
unless you put yellowdog linux on it and even then you are still stuck wiht a shitty keyboard and peice of shit one button mouse.
 
HappyScrappy said:
lol - oh well - I'm walking away.

mac fans are hardcore into it - but I've used them all and macs suck a HUGE fat cock.
unless you put yellowdog linux on it and even then you are still stuck wiht a shitty keyboard and peice of shit one button mouse.
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ah, Scrappy, don't be so hard on the Mac! We're not all hardcore. I actually haven't gotten to work with a Mac in about 3 years, and my company's gonna order our first Mac here soon.

I'm convinced that it really comes down to what you're used to. You can talk about numbers, performance, blah blah blah, but at this point, it's all Ford vs. Chevy. There's still something about the interface on the Mac that I like better. Can't place it exactly, but Windows just isn't the same.
 
supposedly the new os has the functionality built in to recognize multibutton mice - but they still ship with one button ones - and as pretty as their laptops are, they still have one button.
you have to hold down a keyboard key and then click - or just hold down the button in order to get the menu.

to say I hate it doesn't quite reach the level of distaste I have for it.

the best systems I've ever been on were high end SGIs - to say Macs are good at graphics is moronic- the reason they are in that industry is not b/c they are better - it is b/c they are EASY to use for non technical people.
the software is out there for both and windows is just as easy now - and PCs are cheaper.

at one time, Mac had the software to do the stuff and PCs didn't, but that isn't the case anymore.

I do crypto stuff as well as 3d graphics, and for the most part - while Mac makes inflated claims about its processor - it really sucks cock for anything other than the fastest word processing you've ever done.
 
I also like the quote "50lbs of cherry apple red translucent plastic later and I'm still not thinking different"

it all ends on what you want to pay, how much you value the look of the physical computer, and what you are used to.

get what you want - but either way, it is what is in your head that makes the end result good, not which tool you use in this case. (unless you go with a band saw - in that case - wrong tool)
 
HappyScrappy said:
supposedly the new os has the functionality built in to recognize multibutton mice - but they still ship with one button ones - and as pretty as their laptops are, they still have one button.
you have to hold down a keyboard key and then click - or just hold down the button in order to get the menu.

to say I hate it doesn't quite reach the level of distaste I have for it.

the best systems I've ever been on were high end SGIs - to say Macs are good at graphics is moronic- the reason they are in that industry is not b/c they are better - it is b/c they are EASY to use for non technical people.
the software is out there for both and windows is just as easy now - and PCs are cheaper.

at one time, Mac had the software to do the stuff and PCs didn't, but that isn't the case anymore.

I do crypto stuff as well as 3d graphics, and for the most part - while Mac makes inflated claims about its processor - it really sucks cock for anything other than the fastest word processing you've ever done.
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Macs have had the functionality for multibutton mice for years. I used to use one. You just configure it in the Control Panel. I think the reason that Macs still ship with a one button mouse is that Mac users really don't give a shit about having the second button.

Ease of use did play a part in their entry into the graphics world, but that's not the whole reason. My brain's kinda fuzzy on this, as I've been out of the design world for several years, but there were 2 very specific reasons that the designers would not use a PC: fonts and color matching. For all I know, the specific functionality that was missing before may be in place now.
 
TheProject said:

My brain's kinda fuzzy on this, as I've been out of the design world for several years, but there were 2 very specific reasons that the designers would not use a PC: fonts and color matching. For all I know, the specific functionality that was missing before may be in place now.
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both of which you have been able to do on a pc since 1995.

even share fonts.
 
HappyScrappy said:


both of which you have been able to do on a pc since 1995.

even share fonts.
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As I said, my memory's not perfect on this, but the functionality that was in place in 95 was not good enough for the designers. I believe that it was technically possible, but not at the level of the Mac.

I want to say it was something to do with PostScript on the fonts, but not real sure.

As far as the color matching goes, I know for a fact that it did not work well in conjunction with print proofing. We tried a calibrated PC and a calibrated Mac, and the PC's on-screen representation was not even close to the proof.
 
macs and pcs have a different default color pallette - but in truth, they are both just a software abstraction layer over the same hardware principles - so there is no way that you can do something on one that you can't do on the other.
that said - either one will then work - so that means if you have the choice, it is then up to whether you like the way it looks, or you enjoy paying a lot.
both of which I said in my first comment.

whatever works - apple could sure use the sales.
 
HappyScrappy said:
if you judge things by how much they cost, or how cute they are - then hell yes.

otherwise, get a pc - unless you are so retarded that doors confuse you in daily lilfe
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:FRlol::FRlol::FRlol::FRlol::FRlol:

id give yu karma for that, but i've spread it around a bit too much, so im shooting blanks now :(
 
this thread's jokes :spit: well not really :D

<---tech nerd

I've used an audio editor/sequencer on both the PC and MAC

there's really no difference
except for that one button thing lol
 
BigDdaGanjalist said:

there's really no difference
except for that one button thing lol
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that and the 'apple' key are the 2 single most annoying things about macs...everything needs a fricking apple key, the copy function, clear function....
 
If you get a mac, go with the desktop OS X.

Don't get OS 9.

And yes, macs are better than PCs. Macs simply do not have the OEM/channel partnerships that the PC market does. You'll never see black or grey market chips in a mac.

If you have a budget constraint, PCs may be a better option. It's cheaper and easier to maintain a mac, but the upfront cost is usually 10-20 per cent more.
 
danielson said:


that and the 'apple' key are the 2 single most annoying things about macs...everything needs a fricking apple key, the copy function, clear function....
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What's so bad about that? Hot keys and shortcuts are the best features of any OS.

To paraphrase Sublime's Bradley Nowell, "I can play the keyboard like a mother fuckin riot."
 
J-DAM said:


What's so bad about that? I can do alot more, alot faster, with a keyboard and a one button mouse than solely using a two-button mouse.

To paraphrase Sublime's Bradley Nowell, "I can play the keyboard like a mother fuckin riot."
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not much...except

1. more things for me to learn

2. in my school people thought it was INCREDIBLY funny to remove the apple ley, or the keyboards were so bust up they didnt work...just meant i had to spend time clicking things with a mouse that probably didnt work very well either :)

i dont use my right mouse button all that much but i do find it useful, especially in excel and stuff
 
Apple has done a great job integrating the apple key into applications. They actually set standards for that in their developer licenses.

Whereas microsoft joint development members have no guidelines for hotkeys. Which is one reason why there are so many developers and distributers for MS, they pretty much allow anyone to develop for their platform.

Macs are sexier, cuter, easier to use and more stable.
 
Well I would NOT like to have to program on the Mac...

from a user perspective, if you can use Photoshop on one, I doubt there's a huge difference using it on the other ('cept a mac would have a better keyboard than this, damn) - it's how you use it that matters.

circusgirl
 
HappyScrappy said:
if you judge things by how much they cost, or how cute they are - then hell yes.

otherwise, get a pc - unless you are so retarded that doors confuse you in daily lilfe
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lol i agree, however id you ARE getting into the design biz i would invest in a Mac. you might as well get used to them now.
 
HappyScrappy said:
if you judge things by how much they cost, or how cute they are - then hell yes.

otherwise, get a pc - unless you are so retarded that doors confuse you in daily lilfe
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accidental bump

man, this is bound to get me in trouble... :FRlol:
 
p0ink said:
i heard doom II is finally out on mac. mac's sure are great...
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I just walked through Frye's Electronics (the Barnes & Noble of software/hardware), there are two full aisles devoted to games distributed for the Mac.

Although, there are 4 full aisles for PC games, most of the titles missing are awesome, like Big Game Hunting 4, or Casino Mania.
 
gates stole the OS from mac and improved upon it. Mac is far behind now. The only people using mac are

1. gay
2. arrogant and proud that they are unique
3. network/graphic/publisher people
 
I actually did use Mac.

There you go again, defending it. Why do all "hardcore computer people" do that? PC is so much more flexibile, so much more dynamic, supports so much more applications. Windows is so much better for a CASUAL user, its GUI is unbeatable, its support in terms of hardware and software is unmatched. Give me some reason why a CASUAL user, not a software proffesional should choose PC over MAC? Come on, list them up
 
Thank you for the correction. The concept was stolen and improved upon, while MAC had stayed years behind with their little xerox mimiced colored squares
 
revexrevex said:
gates stole the OS from mac and improved upon it. Mac is far behind now. The only people using mac are

1. gay
2. arrogant and proud that they are unique
3. network/graphic/publisher people
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Gates stole the 'concept' of a graphical user interface, not the mac OS.
 
Bro. Let me tell you few things

1. Your benchpress sucks
2. Your deadlift is ok, and thats why I respect you
3. The concept was stolen when S. Jobs foolishly let Gates inspect his facilities, and even described how the GUI worked. Gates had copied the concept of icons and mouse cursors and improved upon it. Please tell me if there any innacuracies in what I just stated?
 
revexrevex said:
Bro. Let me tell you few things

1. Your benchpress sucks
2. Your deadlift is ok, and thats why I respect you
3. The concept was stolen when S. Jobs foolishly let Gates inspect his facilities, and even described how the GUI worked. Gates had copied the concept of icons and mouse cursors and improved upon it. Please tell me if there any innacuracies in what I just stated?
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1. I didn't ask for your opinion.
2. I don't give two shits whether you respect me or not. What's that saying? Better to leave your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it?
3. You're completely wrong. Steve Jobs, and several others, toured the Xerox PARC facility, and THAT'S where many modern computer concepts came from, including GUI, Ethernet, and PostScript printing.
 
The Project is right on the idea of a windowing system.
Xerox PARC had it all first, but decided nothing would ever come of it.

Also, without reading anything else on here, I'd like to say that Mac users are a bunch of pansy ass, whiny motherfuckers.

that is all.
 
Jobs stole it from Xerox who thought that it would be only useful on their copiers. Gates then stole the idea from Jobs, when they toured Macintosh's facility when Jobs and Gates decided to temporarily ally themselves. And Project lighten up
 
Yes throw away your PC and related stuff immediately!!!! :D

There was a time when Mac where really head and shoulder above PC when in came to deal with multimedia editing/design do mainly to their graphical interface and more stable OS. Macs still seem to be the preference of the multimedia industries but I think that's mainly because people are using to using them.
 
revexrevex said:
Jobs stole it from Xerox who thought that it would be only useful on their copiers. Gates then stole the idea from Jobs, when they toured Macintosh's facility when Jobs and Gates decided to temporarily ally themselves. And Project lighten up
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While I totally agree with you that TheProject is a fat bastard, I think Xerox does more than just copiers.

Sure, that is what we see ads for, and they devote a whole metric assload to the design and production of them.

But the Xerox PARC is a general research facility where they do more than just copiers.
The idea that they were working towards was for a computer - not just a copier interface.
 
LOL @ revex. You rule buddy, dont ever change.

Xerox had it first, but Jobs was the first to realize the possibilities. Gates copied jobs.
 
simple answer to this question...

ive worked with computers since i was 9 years old, with everything zx81, bbc, spectrum, and then 4-5 home-made top-spec PCs for the last 10 years.

i switched to my utterly gorgeous powerbook 6 months ago.

would i go back to a pc running Windoze.


NO FLIPPING WAY.\

NEVER.

a pc is a blunt intrument which does a job in a crude way.

a mac is a 100% reliable, my install has never once crashed in 6 months, super-intuitive, utterly gorgeous, fast, heavily featured powerful machine that made any of my previous machine suck @ss, quick frankly!!

and you, happysnappy, you sound very bitter, uneducated, and somewhat irrational over macs for some reason.

its just a matter of taste i suppose.... and some of us have it... you dont!
 
easy..

PsychoSkitz said:
One fucking button?



What the hell am I supposed to do with one button?
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with an INTELLIGENTLY designed computer with the most sophisticated graphical user interface available, why would you ever need to bother with more than one button?

why have to bother fiddling your fingers with two buttons? you just dont need to, the way macs work, WHICH IS A MILLION TIMES NICER THAN WINDOZE
 
nonsense

HappyScrappy said:
supposedly the new os has the functionality built in to recognize multibutton mice - but they still ship with one button ones - and as pretty as their laptops are, they still have one button.

you have to hold down a keyboard key and then click - or just hold down the button in order to get the menu.



to say I hate it doesn't quite reach the level of distaste I have for it.



the best systems I've ever been on were high end SGIs - to say Macs are good at graphics is moronic- the reason they are in that industry is not b/c they are better - it is b/c they are EASY to use for non technical people.

the software is out there for both and windows is just as easy now - and PCs are cheaper.



at one time, Mac had the software to do the stuff and PCs didn't, but that isn't the case anymore.



I do crypto stuff as well as 3d graphics, and for the most part - while Mac makes inflated claims about its processor - it really sucks cock for anything other than the fastest word processing you've ever done.
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this just sounds like the ignorant, disgruntled view of someone suffering severe sour grapes because they drive a skoda because they cant afford the delicious luxuries of a rolls royce.


wow.

i am extremely technical.

i have a degree in computer science.

i have directed 3 of my own it companies and as a guy in his 20s never earned less than 100K a year.

i know computers well enough to make an educated decision.

macs are simply superior in everything they do.

i do dvd creation, music and mp3 stuff, surfing, picture work, film production, cd production, all on my mac, and all of it works much better than any solution i concocted involving a pc and windoze.


just accept youre bitter and twisted and stop spreading your mindless rants and trying to sway people who are looking for educated advice/discussion.
 
I do all neural net and genetic alogirthm programming on a command line via ssh into *nix servers.

Were Macs faster, or cheaper, then they might have value to me.
But they aren't faster, they aren't cheaper, and having the prettiest server on the rack isn't enough for me.

As a result, while you enjoy your "mp3 stuff", I personally have no use for a Mac.

And that HappyScrappy douchebag isn't even here anymore.
 
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FatStoner said:





this just sounds like the ignorant, disgruntled view of someone suffering severe sour grapes because they drive a skoda because they cant afford the delicious luxuries of a rolls royce.


wow.

i am extremely technical.

i have a degree in computer science.

i have directed 3 of my own it companies and as a guy in his 20s never earned less than 100K a year.

i know computers well enough to make an educated decision.

macs are simply superior in everything they do.

i do dvd creation, music and mp3 stuff, surfing, picture work, film production, cd production, all on my mac, and all of it works much better than any solution i concocted involving a pc and windoze.


just accept youre bitter and twisted and stop spreading your mindless rants and trying to sway people who are looking for educated advice/discussion.
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A fat stoner, running companies and making mad skrilla. Umm sure.

Anyway, there used to be a reason for macs, and that reason was floating point. Since now PCs can compete easily on that metric, the only reason I stay with mac, is because I already have them and the ROI extends beyond the cap ex depreciation.

Thats pretty much true for Time-Warner, Dow Jones and just about every other mac shop.


And you're replying to someone who doesn't exist anymore.
 
revexrevex said:
gates stole the OS from mac and improved upon it. Mac is far behind now. The only people using mac are

1. gay
2. arrogant and proud that they are unique
3. network/graphic/publisher people
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1. i am hot bloodied HETEROSEXUAL MALE and always have. i dont expect this will ever change. so youre wrong on this point.
2. i am certainly not "arrogant and proud than i am unique", i am most certainly proud and extremely happy to own a mac and get to use it every single day. its better than a wet dream. so youre wrong on this point.
3. i am not any of those. i am a unix support engineer for a major investment bank. i hold a degree in computer science. so again, you are wrong on this point.

i think that destroys your theory..

next!
 
valid points

MarthaStewart said:
I do all neural net and genetic alogirthm programming on a command line via ssh into *nix servers.



Were Macs faster, or cheaper, then they might have value to me.

But they aren't faster, they aren't cheaper, and having the prettiest server on the rack isn't enough for me.



As a result, while you enjoy your "mp3 stuff", I personally have no use for a Mac.



And that HappyScrappy douchebag isn't even here anymore.
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hi martha,



youve obviously clearly determined your values and needs and decided a mac is not the correct solution.



thats fine. i totally respect that.



now my values and needs are somewhat different to yours so whilst neither of us are actually right or wrong, we both form views that differ.



in other words, we're technically, both correct in everything we say (if said sincerely ofcourse).



for me, i just wanted something that was small. that could make music cds, make films (ive gots 10 years worth of home made porn that needed to go on dvd before the tapes wore out ;) ;) ;) and something that was quick and nice to look at.



i am, however shallow it may be perceived by some, impressed by "cute" design... my mac feels more like a pet. its the sissy side coming out in me , perhaps, but not really, i just like them - does the reason matter?



i just hate unsubstantiated rants and raves involving grossly over-generalised, unspecific, falsehoods.





im certainly also not saying macs are perfect. of course not. but i like it the best. and thats what counts :)
 
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FatStoner said:





this just sounds like the ignorant, disgruntled view of someone suffering severe sour grapes because they drive a skoda because they cant afford the delicious luxuries of a rolls royce.


wow.

i am extremely technical.

i have a degree in computer science.

i have directed 3 of my own it companies

certainly not showing off just sayingi know computers well enough to make an educated decision.

macs are simply superior in everything they do.

i do dvd creation, music and mp3 stuff, surfing, picture work, film production, cd production, all on my mac, and all of it works much better than any solution i concocted involving a pc and windoze.


just accept youre bitter and twisted and stop spreading your mindless rants and trying to sway people who are looking for educated advice/discussion.
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MarthaStewart said:

And that HappyScrappy douchebag isn't even here anymore.
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Damn... that's funny.

NDN, while do I feel that you've spent a lot of time in a dark, locked closet shouting, "LET ME OUT!"
 
What is funny is that the name Olav Zipser is a real name if you look online. Not saying that the user here is that person.

As for HappyScrappy, that guy was gay. MarthaStewart was just a fat fuck. I am what I am... cause I eats my spinach.

I would consider it less coming out of the closet (although I'm a total Mac fag I guess), but more of a KKK member really enjoying having sex with Tyra Banks.

I maintain that I HATE Macs - era OS 9 and before. I don't even really like Macs before OS X 10.3 (Panther).
That said - Panther kicks ass.
It is essentially FreeBSD with a really good window manager on it and a solid package management system on it that you don't even notice that you are using.

I got my laptop becuase I needed something durable, which my other laptop wasn't.
I have been very very very impressed with the Panther system.
That said - I still am an admin on a Windows network - and spend most of my time swearing at that.

Things I hope they change about the Mac, specifically mine, are:
1) The LCD screen has "white spots" - it is a known issue. They don't bug me, but Apple will fix them for free when they finally resolve it.
2) The function key is in a bad spot for me (lower left, where the ctrl should be if you are used to Windows).
3) Safari freezes up a lot.
4) The laptop gets quite warm easily.

That said, the rest of it kicks ass.
I don't use it for Photoshop, and I don't use Illustrator.
I only use it for e-mail, the web, and ssh connections into other servers.
I don't use any video stuff either.

It is fantastic for the stuff I use it for.

That said, the processor is slow on it - they say it is fast, but it isn't.

All in all - if you like shiny things that are very expensive - but very well made and cool looking, then a Mac is good.

If you want something that works well and is cost effective, but has its own issues - a Windows system is the way to go.
Sony Vaios seem to be the closest to a Mac in the Windows world - but I hate their keyboards.

In the end, I switched.
 
It isn't at all hard to get software on the Mac - but yes, it is expensive. Depending on the tools, it isn't any more expensive than the Windows versions.

I assume you meant that it is "hard to get" in that the file sharing networks have fewer people on them sharing stuff.

I'd try to help you out, but I don't have any software since I have no need for it.
 
I wouldn't mind a high-end Mac, but they're just too expensive. I build my own PC's for under $1,000....you can't do that with a Mac.
 
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Dial_tone said:
I wouldn't mind a high-end Mac, but they're just too expensive. I build my own PC's for under $1,000....you can do that with a Mac.
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"can't" and I know what you mean.

I can't build my own laptop though - and that is all I use these days on my own.

For servers, I would say build your own if you are on your own - if you are a company, better off going with a company that you can yell at if something goes wrong (Dell, IBM, HP) and I like Linux or FreeBSD.
I pay a lease for my server and as a result it will get upgraded over time and I get a fast net connection with a lot of bandwidth to it.

The high-end Macs aren't even all that great - if you want performance, it makes no sense to get a Mac.

If you want a FreeBSD system with the best Windowing system on it, then a Mac is a great way to go. If you want a FreeBSD system that has high quality hardware that looks cool, then that is also where Macs shine.

But if you want real speed and cheap - then certainly not Macs.

I still don't know why VT decided to go with the G5s for that new supercomputer - I assume because the Intel/AMD options weren't out yet when they were resolving the deal - or Apple gave them a good deal.
 
My Unix geek friends are peeing all over themselves for a Mac now so they can run Unix apps.
I have two FreeBSD boxes, one OpenBSD, one Gentoo and one XP
 
Dial_tone said:
My Unix geek friends are peeing all over themselves for a Mac now so they can run Unix apps.
I have two FreeBSD boxes, one OpenBSD, one Gentoo and one XP
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I pee all over myself, but I never considered it might have been for a reason.

There are some X initiatives that are trying to make things that look as good as the OS X system, but they aren't quite there yet. Apple spends a lot of money towards it.
Up until this release the system was slow and pretty shitty IMO, but as of Panther it ran much much faster on the same hardware - not something many people are used to seeing in an OS upgrade.

I have run Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, all Windows since 3.11 and I must say this new 10.3 that I am running is the most impressive I have ever seen of any of those.

I don't like that Mac ads brag about performance and also set them up as being designed for the mentally retarded - they ARE extremely easy to use, but that shouldn't be your selling point IMO.
And the speed is just not there at all, so it amazes me that they allow it.
 
I should add that I find it impressive as a desktop client.

I would *never* run this as a server OS and I find it amusing that Apple pushes their servers. They look really cool, and they have a few neat features - but there is no way I'd ever use them.
 
We have Panther in the lab for testing, but no G5's yet.
 
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