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[tridentstar]

iron game, ive been reading for a long time and you seem to know your stuff. I am about to embark on my third cycle and was wondering if i could get some input?
Weeks 1 thru 3 i was going to use duratest at 500 mgs a week in bi-weekly injections. weeks 4 thru 7 i was going to use enanthate (loeffler) at 500 mgs a week. weeks 8 thru 10 i was planning on prop at 500 mgs a week in three weekly injections (again loeffler brand)
For weeks 1 thru 6 i was planning on anavar at 20 mgs a day, and from weeks 5 thru 10 i was going to use primo at 400 mgs a week.
My past cycle experience is one cycle with deca and dbol for 8 weeks, and the second was sust with deca for 8 weeks. I have all of the clomid and nolvadex i will need too.

Anyways my reasoning for the tests im using is thati want it to all be out of my system by the time i am done injecting. Also it is because i have a bunch on duras kicking around. It is basically what trevor smith calls for in his cycles.
Was wondering if it seems ok.


T.S.

 

[The Iron Game]

Thank you there tridentstar, just curious if the enanthate and the propionate are the 250mgs/ml 10 ml vials from loeffler?

Cant see anything immediately wrong with the cycle, much has to do with personal preference which is gained over time and experimenting.

So far it seems like this:

Sust: 500mgs/wk in 2 injections Wks 1, 2 & 3
Enanthate: 500mgs/wk in 2 injections Wks 4, 5, 6 & 7
Propionate: 500mgs/wk in 2 injections Wks 8, 9 & 10

Ok I can see where you are coming from and it is not like it will not work. I would personally run the propionate alongside the sust and then continue with the enanthate at the end. If you have enough prop then you can run it alongside the sust for the 3 weeks and then at the end as you have planned. Just try and ensure 500mgs/wk is kept stable and try and inject according to the half lifes.

You could keep the sust as it is and just add an extra 50 mgs of prop from the vial you already have as the prop in one amp is only 30mgs.

The primo I would prefer to run from weeks 1-10 at 200mgs/week rather than 400mgs/week but for only 5 weeks. Primo is very underated and many claim it is pointless as this dose. I do know however this isnt the case. Focus on your diet, high protein is a must on primo. I would save the anavar for another cycle because at 20mgs/day you may not respond to this. I would increase it to 35-40mgs/day if you can from weeks 1-5 or 6 (you can run it longer but its expensive).

You could think of subbing the anavar for 20-25mgs of dbol/day for 6 weeks. If you can get hold of an anti aromatise / aromatise inhibitor (arimidex) being best bet and proviron second. I dont like nolva too much but if you wish to keep some water retention off then take 10mgs daily throughout the cycle. If you start noticing any signs of gyno then increase this to 60mgs until the problem starts subsiding.

Peace

 

[tridentstar]

Iron Game....thank you for the input. My first question is concerning the anavar. I only have 100 of the 10 mg pills, is this not enough for any noticeable effect. Also i would use dbol as i have used it before, but i had a bit of a problem with very bad indigestion/acid reflux (always spitting up bile) when i used it. Also from holding sooo much water it was very hard to breath when i laid down. ( i am guessing it was from the dbol ) Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that i have no anti aromatses drugs, nor do i have access. All i have is clomid to use 50 mg eod, and if gyno becomes an issue, i have nolva.
Finally why is it that people suggest that primo isnt effective until 3-400 mgs per week?

T.S.
Also the enth and prop is loeffler 250 mg/mL, is it any good?

 

[tridentstar]

just movin it up so iron game notices it

 

[The Iron Game]

Iron Game....thank you for the input. My first question is concerning the anavar. I only have 100 of the 10 mg pills, is this not enough for any noticeable effect.

Not a problem and as for the anavar I would personally save it for another cycle. 20mgs/50 days is one of the only options open and in many anavar at lower doses does not work so well. Get another 100 next cycle and use them then. Dont be impatient just because you have them, it doesnt mean you must use them

Also i would use dbol as i have used it before, but i had a bit of a problem with very bad indigestion/acid reflux (always spitting up bile) when i used it. Also from holding sooo much water it was very hard to breath when i laid down. ( i am guessing it was from the dbol )

This is quite ordinary in some people. These sides usually go away after the first couple of weeks. I would strongly recommend taking the extra time required to get hold of proviron or arimidex. It will keep the water retention down and the muscle you gain will be solid gains albeit not as much but also you wont lose them afterwards and wont have these problems you have from too much water retention last time. An increase in water retention can cause problems with your bf which could have been one of the causes.

Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that i have no anti aromatses drugs, nor do i have access. All i have is clomid to use 50 mg eod, and if gyno becomes an issue, i have nolva.

As I mentioned above try and get some arimidex or proviron and save the clomid for post cycle.

Finally why is it that people suggest that primo isnt effective until 3-400 mgs per week?

Also the enth and prop is loeffler 250 mg/mL, is it any good?

Best of speaking to Slopain, Damian, YMK, GymRats or Ironfist to name a few.

Peace

 

[tridentstar]

thank you, i am most appreciative.....
Also if i can get either proviron or arimidex,what are the dosing schedules for either?
T.S.

 

[The Iron Game]

thank you, i am most appreciative.....
Also if i can get either proviron or arimidex,what are the dosing schedules for either?
T.S.

Your welcome

Proviron at 50mgs/day throughout the cycle. If you become to horny and your errections last too long / become slightly painful then take a break from it for 10-14 days.

Arimidex at .5mgs eod. Liquidex would be your best bet on a cost/quantity basis.

Peace

 

[tridentstar]

what do proviron normally go for.....? also i thimk a buddy of mine has 25 mg pills.... a few people told me that 25 mgs a day was plenty, can you give more reasoning behind your dosing?



P.S.
sorry for all the questions, just tryin to learn a bit while i am at it

 

[The Iron Game]

I just realised this is your 3rd cycle, in that case I would increase the test to 750-1000mgs/wk and run for 8 weeks instead of the 10.

25mgs of proviron is a very mild dose and is unlikely to perform its functions well. The main side effect of this is feeling horny

 

[The Iron Game]

what do proviron normally go for.....?

P.S.
sorry for all the questions, just tryin to learn a bit while i am at it

normally between $10 & $30 for 20 tabs of 25mgs

and dont worry about it, we are all here to learn

 

[tridentstar]

it is my third cycle, but it is only my second wiht test.....so i should still go up to 750 of test?

so should i do three injections of the sust for the first three weeks?

thanks
T.S.

 

[tridentstar]

so the revised schedule is weeks 1 thru 3 750 mgs of test (in three injections)
weeks 4 thru 6 750 mgs of enanthate
weeks 7 and 8 750 of prop

I am still thinking of trying the anavar at 20 mgs a day.

then the primo at 200 mgs a week for weeks 1 thru 10

Following this i will use clomid tog et things running again. Also i will be using 50 mgs of proviron a day thu-out.
I will take 4 months to clean out then do another mass cycle.THanks
T.S.

 

[The Iron Game]

Sounds good, if you dont mind injecting 3 x / week

Best of Luck